New Jersey Nets @ Indiana Pacers

[MrDollarBills]

Carter will receive praise when we win, and when we lose, he will receive his comeuppance!! I don't think he was as aggressive as he should have been in the 2nd half. I like that Carter is rebounding and playmaking...he is the best player on the team, sadly, so he has to do that.....but he HAS to score. 11 FGAs and 4 FTAs is DISGRACEFUL!!! Carter should have no less than 12-15 FTAs PER GAME. When he attacks and gets to the line he puts pressure on the opposing d and that opens up the floor for the others...Vince needs to be a leader!!

I also agree that Boone needs to play better. He has enough talent to still put up double doubles without Jason Kidd here, Jason Kidd wasn't rebounding for him or playing defense. He better step up or he'll find himself back on the bench because Big Diop makes plays!!

Krstic needs to get TOUCHES. I don't understand how this guy only takes like 3 shots and plays garbage minutes. Post Curly up and let him actually earn a paycheck...this "offense" of Lawrence Frank's...absolute basura!!!!!!

[RJ 24]

The only way we win for the rest of the season is if VC has 22 or more points. He didn't have a bad game by any means but this is a team that needs to rely on his offensive. This is his team now.

[hisairness]

This loss isn't entirely on Vince but to me he was most to blame. Like Marc Jackson said he is a lot like Kobe where he has to get his team involved but he also needs to take over when there is a need, in 3rd q when this team felt apart as a leader he had to take charge but he stood by and avoided the ball, it was bad already with Kidd on the team but now w/out him it just can't happen. I'm assuming he's healthy enough now that he doesn't need to take nights off.

[Birth of the Cool]

This loss isn't entirely on Vince but to me he was most to blame. Like Marc Jackson said he is a lot like Kobe where he has to get his team involved but he also needs to take over when there is a need, in 3rd q when this team felt apart as a leader he had to take charge but he stood by and avoided the ball, it was bad already with Kidd on the team but now w/out him it just can't happen. I'm assuming he's healthy enough now that he doesn't need to take nights off.

see again, I don't understand this at all. The Nets as a TEAM scored efficiently yesterday. If the Nets were struggling on offense then yes I can see putting blame on VC for not forcing his offense but he did not need to do that yesterday. The Nets scored very well & more efficiently than the Pacers.

The problem was DEFENSE. Why don't some people get this !?!?
Pacers frontcourt demolished Nets frontcourt, Pacers PG was able to shoot 70% from the field, Pacers owned the offensive glass, and the Nets allowed 25+ points 3 of the 4 quarters and even sucked in the 2nd quarter too.

..if VC forced his game & missed shots (THAT OTHER NETS WERE MAKING !!) then people on here would be complaining saying he is taking ill advised shots while his teammates are doing better.

Some of you guys need to make up your minds. Last year it was too much VC isofest this sucks, then when they decide to share the ball more this year VC isn't scoring enough this sucks, if VC doesn't take enough shots he's too passive this sucks, if VC shoots too much he's inefficient I hate this VC oriented offense. It's like there's really no way for him to look good for some people.

Again if other Nets are scoring efficiently who gives a damn if VC is putting the ball in the hoop. The Nets scoring was not the problem yesterday and VC propping up his stats wouldn't have made a difference because other Nets players were scoring efficiently anyways unless VC is on your fantasy league..problem was DEFENSE / DEFENSE / DEFENSE ! and the WHOLE TEAM IS TO BLAME FOR THAT !!

[MrDollarBills]

I agree, when you are forced to start a pudgy point guard who couldn't stay in front of a toddler, defense can be a problem!

[VCRJKidd15]

i told you guys not to get too excited after the win against the bulls now you guys are just finding everybody to blame because you know with the squad we have we should be undefeated.

[hisairness]

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see again, I don't understand this at all. The Nets as a TEAM scored efficiently yesterday. If the Nets were struggling on offense then yes I can see putting blame on VC for not forcing his offense but he did not need to do that yesterday. The Nets scored very well & more efficiently than the Pacers.

The problem was DEFENSE. Why don't some people get this !?!?
Pacers frontcourt demolished Nets frontcourt, Pacers PG was able to shoot 70% from the field, Pacers owned the offensive glass, and the Nets allowed 25+ points 3 of the 4 quarters and even sucked in the 2nd quarter too.

..if VC forced his game & missed shots (THAT OTHER NETS WERE MAKING !!) then people on here would be complaining saying he is taking ill advised shots while his teammates are doing better.

Some of you guys need to make up your minds. Last year it was too much VC isofest this sucks, then when they decide to share the ball more this year VC isn't scoring enough this sucks, if VC doesn't take enough shots he's too passive this sucks, if VC shoots too much he's inefficient I hate this VC oriented offense. It's like there's really no way for him to look good for some people.

Again if other Nets are scoring efficiently who gives a damn if VC is putting the ball in the hoop. The Nets scoring was not the problem yesterday and VC propping up his stats wouldn't have made a difference because other Nets players were scoring efficiently anyways unless VC is on your fantasy league..problem was DEFENSE / DEFENSE / DEFENSE ! and the WHOLE TEAM IS TO BLAME FOR THAT !!

No doubt defense was terrible yesterday but what I mentioned was one point in 3rd quarter when Nets couldn't score for like 5-7 mins. and Pacers ran the lead in to double digits. Almost every Nets possession was a mess , they fell apart offensively and no one was there to ran the offense, RJ and Nachbar were all forcing shots but this time they had to bcuz Vince stood aside w/out touching the ball or just ran the top of the key pick and roll where he just gave up the ball to someone and it didn't lead to anything. Nets loss that game at that point since they couldn't defend all night and for that few minutes couldn't keep up scoring with Indiana. This game was about outscoring other team, no defense was played so one offensive drought in 3rd and Nets were done.

BTW all season long I was for Vince isos offense, it wasn't great last season but it was enough to win and that was with Collins and Moore frontcourt and shorter, thinner bench. One would think that it would have improved more with a younger more athletic bigs who can rebound this season but for reasons unknown Frank remained with motion that took away touches from Vince and simply gave them to RJ which in my opinion hurt both of their games. It gave Vince excuse to be passive and turned RJ from all around player in to one dimensional scorer. Some ppl hated the isos but at least offense wasn't confused as it often is this season.

[dacher]

22 turnovers

It happens. It's only game 2 of the post-Kidd era. Maybe we will be calling it the Devon Harris era.

I'm going to keep an open mind and give the team easy passes until we see Harris for a couple of games. This team is like a rookie. Have to give it time to see what we really have, how we adjust and respond to the opponents adjustments.

[MrDollarBills]

hey dacher,

The words "how we adjust" don't apply to a Lawrence Frank "coached" team!! There is no adjustment!!

Team A shuts down the garbage play the Nets run...what does Opie do?

"LETS JUST RUN THE SAME GARBAGE ASS PLAY!!"