Official Game Thread:Cavs @ Nets (65)

[Serpo]

Don't just watch the game, understand it.

Maybe YOU should do that .

Calling Swift a Post presence , what exactly has he EVER done to make you think he is something like that ?

And Sean is only a game changer when he's not constantly fouling , putting the opponent on the line for NO reason AT ALL isn't helping .

Sean and Swift are no great defenders they are great shotblockers .

Sean still has the upside to become a great defender , when he learns to not go for every block and not leave his position so many times. ( and of course stops these stupid fouls )

Swift does this still very often even though he's in the league for 8 years and isn't great of the offensive end either besides dunking ...

Everybody allways hyped him and hoped he'll get it someday but it's very very unlikely to still happen .

[halfHAVOC]

bahaha after the win

today i got my jersey in the mail

[ViNNNsanity]

It seems like you completely missed the point I've made, and you haven't addressed the other one's as well. I just have to ask, what's your defintion of a good/bad post presence?

Edit: I see it's completely pointless arguing with you.

[MrDollarBills]

Vinnnsanity was 100% correct when he said this "offense" is based on jump shooting, and thats why the talent we have cannot perform effectively.

Why is a team that does not have any jump shooters relying soley on jump shots for offense? And Thorn has the nerve to question why this team is last in the NBA in offense??? Christ!!! This team should be posting up Krstic, drawing double teams with Carter to free up RJ who should be CUTTING to the basket, not waiting on the 3 point line for a shot that isn't HIS, slashing and dishing with Devin and Marcus, and running the pick and rolls with our athletic big men.

This is why I continue to bash Lawrence Frank every day and question Thorn's continuing support of this man. This team is not being used properly and at some point Thorn is going to have to take responsibility for the product HE put out on the floor being used poorly and stop blaming the players.

[EFF]

Sean needs to be played with another big, centers preferred. In fact all our bigs need to be played together. Small ball equals a small game for us because we simply dont have the firepower for that. The small ball hurts our D without improving the offense so that makes for a very bad game.

We cant just have one big in there doing EVERything. we can't expect him to go after the block and then go chase down the rebound. That's why we're getting eaten on D and on the glass. Even if Diop or Boone forces someone into a bad shot, the rebounds coming off 50% to the other team.

vinnnsanity is right. it's common basketball sense that the ball moves better with someone to throw it to down low. Nenad is that guy, even if he doesnt get 20 shots a game, we should at least run plays through him that many times a game.

[Serpo]

Any Big combination not involving Nenad leaves our Scoring on the 4-5 Position quite depleted . The other guys are just no real offensive tread .

I don't think we are better with a combination of either Boone / Sean / Swift or Diop then with small ball . We're bad with both , small at least works against teams with no scoring treads at the 4 when one of our shooters is on fire .

And tell where going small against Teams without scoring bigs hurt our D ?
It's not like any of our bigs can guard a perimter player if the opponent goes small as well or guy like Wallace or Varejoa need to be guarded seriously anyway .

Not to mention Seans D is extremely foul prone and Swifts D is extremely suspect .

Boki played good on Wednesday and deserved the minutes and Boone had to be in since he's our best Rebounder .

Krstic hasn't looked that great in the 2nd half thatswhy Boki came in and he stayed in the game because he played very good.

[EFF]

Any Big combination not involving Nenad leaves our Scoring on the 4-5 Position quite depleted . The other guys are just no real offensive tread .

I don't think we are better with a combination of either Boone / Sean / Swift or Diop then with small ball . We're bad with both , small at least works against teams with no scoring treads at the 4 when one of our shooters is on fire .

And tell where going small against Teams without scoring bigs hurt our D ?
It's not like any of our bigs can guard a perimter player if the opponent goes small as well or guy like Wallace or Varejoa need to be guarded seriously anyway .

Not to mention Seans D is extremely foul prone and Swifts D is extremely suspect .

Boki played good on Wednesday and deserved the minutes and Boone had to be in since he's our best Rebounder.

Krstic hasn't looked that great in the 2nd half thatswhy Boki came in and he stayed in the game because he played very good.

Our small ball by your own admission comes up negative. and I think the reasoning "they dont have a post player so why not?" ignores alot of other factors involved. Bigs arent only characterized by 'postscorer' and 'non post scorer'. If we go small just cuz they dont have a maestro down low, we still get hurt at least on the boards while our offense does not improve. Varejo and Wallace may not score but they will get their team 2nd and 3rd opportunities if all they have to beat to the ball is Bokie.

Our perimeter D is sub-par. it has been all year. you need that second line once the backcourt gets beat

If you want post scoring, keep playing nenad even if he struggles to start the second half. Frank has an unreasonably short leash on everyone outside carter, devin, RJ, and inexplicably...boone. and Again, let sean figure it out. COACH him.

[Serpo]

Neither is ideal right now . If I had the choice i'd take the small ball over the combination of two bigs that are offensively impotent .

Your D and rebounding might be worse but it's still better then getting your best players constantly doubled because the opponent has two guy they can leave open . You can't score at all like that . ( look how much Cleveland struggles with Wallace AND Varejao out there at the same time for example )

[EFF]

best we can do right now: play nenad for better or worse.

[Serpo]

I personally think they're no risking too much with Nenad right now and still take it very slow with him.

Which is in my mind a good thing , bring him back into shape but not at risking anything .