Sometimes you don't get what you wish for

[Ronaldo/dinho]

Should of stayed with the NETS kidd and worked it out but you were selfish and quit on your team as a leader that didn't sit well with me and was unacceptable.

Had you stayed the NETS would've made the playoffs over the Hawks and seeing what the inexperienced Hawks are doing to the celtics makes one think that we could have been in the same position..but you threw it all out of the window with your antics and self demand of trade. Thought you was going to a contender but the reality of the western life hit you hard now i'm sure you feel lonely and wished you was back in Jersey but karma is a bitch...you talked badly about your team/organization when they had nothing but atmost respect for you...you basically gave up on your team for your own sake and hence the bad karma...now you're even in a worst situation and god knows when you will get out of it unles you start crying for another trade..

maybe you was in it for the money...maybe you just didn't read the situation right but what you did to the nets overshadows your two trip to the finale with them as far as i'm concerned...cuz the time you demanded to be shipped out was NOT the right time..i don't care what anybody say.

Funny is you wished and was happy that you were shipped to a supposed "contender" but then we all found out that dallas is a pretender just like the NETS so who lost? not anyone but you jsason kidd and i'm sure VC now has gained lots of respect from nets fans and the organization for sticking up with the young squad through this rough time even though his window of a championship is closing same as you but the difference is Vince is more professional than you would ever be.

At the end: Much thanks to Chris Paul.

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[Rich Rane]

Should of stayed with the NETS kidd and worked it out but you were selfish and quit on your team as a leader that didn't sit well with me and was unacceptable.

No proof. You're talking out your *** as far as reality goes.

Had you stayed the NETS would've made the playoffs over the Hawks and seeing what the inexperienced Hawks are doing to the celtics makes one think that we could have been in the same position..but you threw it all out of the window with your antics and self demand of trade.

We wouldn't have beaten them. Get that through your head. With or without Kidd, we would've lost. Frank would've been overwhelmed, VC would've hit the playoff wall like he always does, or we would've been too fatigued just trying to get into the playoffs.

Thought you was going to a contender but the reality of the western life hit you hard now i'm sure you feel lonely and wished you was back in Jersey but karma is a bitch...you talked badly about your team/organization when they had nothing but atmost respect for you...you basically gave up on your team for your own sake and hence the bad karma...now you're even in a worst situation and god knows when you will get out of it unles you start crying for another trade..

maybe you was in it for the money...maybe you just didn't read the situation right but what you did to the nets overshadows your two trip to the finale with them as far as i'm concerned...cuz the time you demanded to be shipped out was NOT the right time..i don't care what anybody say.

Funny is you wished and was happy that you were shipped to a supposed "contender" but then we all found out that dallas is a pretender just like the NETS so who lost? not anyone but you jsason kidd and i'm sure VC now has gained lots of respect from nets fans and the organization for sticking up with the young squad through this rough time even though his window of a championship is closing same as you but the difference is Vince is more professional than you would ever be.

Ah I knew you wouldn't come back without an "I heart VC" moment. Not to mention the hate for a spell check. You're not even a Nets fan, you're VC's groupie. Why you opened up a new thread for this crap is beyond anyone's intelligence here.

At the end: Much thanks to Chris Paul.

Yes, because other teams have done so well against him. How about his supporting cast or Byron Scott there?

[MrDollarBills]

@ this Nets team vs. Boston. That would have been a sweep, hands down

[Serpo]

Boston dominated Atlanta in the regular season as well . This Boston team wouldn't sweep anyone.

[Ronaldo/dinho]

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No proof. You're talking out your *** as far as reality goes
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I'm sure something could of been done but clearly Kidd had other plans than staying in New Jersey. Reality did exist but Kidd was delusional, end of story.

We wouldn't have beaten them. Get that through your head. With or without Kidd, we would've lost. Frank would've been overwhelmed, VC would've hit the playoff wall like he always does, or we would've been too fatigued just trying to get into the playoffs.

Where in my post did I state that we would beat them? Is it hard of a task to comprehend someone's post rather than passing false judgment and jumping into wrong conclusion? I said we would have been in the same position..you may assume otherwise but fact remain neither of us is wrong here.

I take it as you know the future....it's not always gonna be same year same scenario you know. This is the nba where anything can happen..not to say that your prediction might not come true just that its not a sure thing same with mine.. so cool down and be more open-minded.

Ah I knew you wouldn't come back without an "I heart VC" moment. Not to mention the hate for a spell check. You're not even a Nets fan, you're VC's groupie. Why you opened up a new thread for this crap is beyond anyone's intelligence here.

hmmm...why are you losing temper? I didn't know you were that sensitive. Look, it's not even serious. I did not claim to be a NETS fan. I spoke on Jason and compared his bad antics as a professional basketball player to one of his teammates who was/is one of the leaders of this team. A player that is in a similar situation as Kidd as far as their nba career goal goes. One acted professionally enough, the other who was the captain behaved like a spoiled child crying "trade me".

I opened this thread to point out:

1- Kidd gave up on his team when they needed him the most
2. Acted selfish
3. Karma got him back
4. was unprofessional in dealing with his trade matters
5. Made the wrong decision and has paid for it (Paul)
6. I'll add - created distraction in the locker room

This is not a hate thread...it's criticism directed towards Kidd reminding him that Karma's a bitch, that he made a wrong decision, and that his best choice was to remain a NET.

Don't get all caught up in this...take it easy, the internet ain't that series. How can a thread like this get on your nerve system is beyond me. lol

Yes, because other teams have done so well against him. How about his supporting cast or Byron Scott there?

They get credits but i wasn't even speaking on that. Paul demolished aging Kidd.....don't think we can debate this, can you?

[Ronaldo/dinho]

:laugh: @ this Nets team vs. Boston. That would have been a sweep, hands down

Yes, because the regular season is a testament to how teams fare in the playoffs? We all saw what the "losing mentality or never been into a playoffs for few years" have gotten into the head of Celtic's trio against the inexperienced Hawks team? Who could rightly predict the outcome of this series if the experienced NETS team were in that position? I know for a fact that i couldn't be that person.

[aussienet]

What was the point of this thread? I made one about this a week ago I thought we dealt with it and moved on

[SpeedyG]

LMAO...this Nets team would have gotten DESTROYED by that Celtic team. The Hawks pushed them to game seven because they were superiour athletes to the Celtics, and hustled their butts off at home.

[MrDollarBills]

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Yes, because the regular season is a testament to how teams fare in the playoffs? We all saw what the "losing mentality or never been into a playoffs for few years" have gotten into the head of Celtic's trio against the inexperienced Hawks team? Who could rightly predict the outcome of this series if the experienced NETS team were in that position? I know for a fact that i couldn't be that person.

I'm not laughing at you, im laughing at the thought of this current Nets team, made up of sugar, spice, and everything nice, even putting forth an effort like the one the Hawks did in that series. The Nets haven't played that hard the entire season, and if they somehow made the playoffs i couldnt see them doing anything else but folding like a set of lawnchairs. Jefferson would have let Pierce torch him and the dude wouldn't have given a CRAP.

I agree with your post totally, Kidd got what he had coming to him, but i'm just glad that this team didnt make the playoffs to embarrass the fanbase any more than they have done this season.

[ChampionRed]

LOL The Nets wouldn't even push 5 games against the Celtics.

[Ronaldo/dinho]

Just like everyone and their mama thought the Hawks would get swept.

Again, this is the nba where the impossible can happen. Who to say VC wouldn't have a monster series against the Boston? I think the trio would've fared wella gainst Boston....remember in the playoffs, the intensity level of the players go up...they compete harder than do in a regular season. Yes, we might not have won but i'm sure we would have put up a fight...it's the same roster isn't it minus Collins basically? Maybe i 'm too optimistic but hell yeah i always look at the bright side of things.

[MrDollarBills]

Its not about Carter having a monster series, im sure he would have put up respectable numbers even on a messed up ankle, but then what? Garbage coaching from Frank? No defense on the perimeter and post? Jefferson scoring 30 and giving up 45? Nachbar showing up for one game outta 4? I can go on...this team would not have even put up a fight.

Boston would beat us so bad they'd be able to rest their starters by game 3.

[Serpo]

Mike Woodson looked like a great coach against Doc Rivers that says all about the quality of Bostons coaching.

Believe it or not Frank is a better coach then these two.

[vincecarter4pres]

Mike Woodson looked like a great coach against Doc Rivers that says all about the quality of Bostons coaching.

Believe it or not Frank is a better coach then these two.

Don't agree with this at all.

[MrDollarBills]

Rivers team commits to playing hard and playing defense, granted he may have KG there to bring the intensity but still, you have to give him some kind of credit, whereas frank can't get this team, which is regardless of the shortcomings a very talented bunch, to play a lick of defense or play hard for more than a half a quarter. Frank deserves no kind of praise when you had mo cheeks had that 76ers squad playing hard on both ends of the floor and they are in my opinion nowhere near the Nets level as far as talent and skill. Frank is a bottom 3 coach in this league hands down and he is a huge reason as to why this team played like a pack of females all season

excuse me, i just remembered that i watched a good bit of the NCAA women's tournament, so i take that last comment back, because the Nets damn sure didn't compete like some of those teams did.

Hell, C. Vivian Stringer> Lawrence Frank.

[Serpo]

They didn't play hard at all in Atlanta and his defensive asignments and substitution completely blown the games .

And Mike Woodson ... there is a reason the managment wanted him fire earlier .

I prefer Frank over these guys by FAR and at least 5-10 others guys too.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah, bottom 3 is a little overboard.

People seem to forget when Rivers coached the Magic though.

Yeah he didn't fair well at all in the playoffs, but he got the Orlando Mcgrady's into the playoffs 3 straight years.

I don't even think rivers is a that good a coach, but at worst he is an equal to Frank.

Mike Woodson?
There is alot of talent on that Atlanta team, but they are extremely young, and the Bibby trade did nothing but have them playing .500 ball.
Bibby looks like a shell of his former self, and yet Woodson had Atlanta playing tough down the stretch.

L Frank, is a perfect example of an outstanding assistant coach who really never deserved to be a head coach as more than an interim.
The only reason Byron isn't here anymore is because Kidd is a coach killer.

The irony is Scott, when he has talent such as Kidd or Paul, really allows his PG to run the show, seldomly forcing his QB into set plays.

I think Frank might be better served as a Mike Woodson type, coaching a team with a lot of young talent.
Yeah he doesn't especially like to play the young guys here, but if he had a team like that he would be forced to, for the reason alone of the fact that is all that he had.
Although on the flipside of that arguement, if he can't get this extremely talented team to even play .500 ball, let alone the mid to high 40 something games they should win every year, what could he do with an inexperienced young group?

Frank is not the type of coach this, or almost any team in the league needs, unless he is the head assistant.

[Ronaldo/dinho]

Its not about Carter having a monster series, im sure he would have put up respectable numbers even on a messed up ankle, but then what? Garbage coaching from Frank? No defense on the perimeter and post? Jefferson scoring 30 and giving up 45? Nachbar showing up for one game outta 4? I can go on...this team would not have even put up a fight.

Boston would beat us so bad they'd be able to rest their starters by game 3.

I'm not sold on that. You are basically saying that we'll get swept? My point is not that we will win the series...rather that we'll put up a fight. is it too much to ask from Kidd - Carter - Jefferson to go out there and give it their all? Especially Kidd and Carter (knowing that their window for a championship is closing) Again, you missed the part about "intensity level" regular season don't mean ****...remember we fared well against this same HAWKS team that have "superior athletic front court", didn't we? Also how long the trio of Boston hasn't been to the playoffs? Factor all those, and you'll have a series to remember between these two teams. You can't just mention NETS woes and forget about Boston...they aren't untouchable and certainly have a lot wrongs going for them. NETS veteran team would have taken advantage despite our front court weakness.

All up in the air during the playoffs...that's all i'm saying. Just like a Barcelona versus Real Madrid clash....Barca could be at the bottom of the table but when it's calacio time, you know better than then to go against either of them. Totally new game = totally new result.

[SpeedyG]

The irony is Scott, when he has talent such as Kidd or Paul, really allows his PG to run the show, seldomly forcing his QB into set plays.

I think Frank might be better served as a Mike Woodson type, coaching a team with a lot of young talent.
Yeah he doesn't especially like to play the young guys here, but if he had a team like that he would be forced to, for the reason alone of the fact that is all that he had.
Although on the flipside of that arguement, if he can't get this extremely talented team to even play .500 ball, let alone the mid to high 40 something games they should win every year, what could he do with an inexperienced young group?

Frank is not the type of coach this, or almost any team in the league needs, unless he is the head assistant.

It's true that Scott did give his PGs a lot of freedom, although he himself has admitted that he learned a lot after leaving NJ. That's usually how it works. Skiles was a first time HC in Phoenix, but he learned from that experience and went to Chicago an improved coach. I'm sure he'll be better in Milwaukee this time around. Take a look at Avery Johnson. Already, he's admitting to making mistakes (not giving Devin the reigns much earlier to force his development). Him realizing those things will make him better in the future. It's just sometimes, it takes getting fired and walking away from a situation in order to see your flaws. I'm sure if Frank gets fired that he'll be able to step back and improve his 2nd time around.