You thought it was over? Let the JO rumors rise again.

[Preludepunk27]

^ I dont think people understand.

We will be in Brooklyn that year or next with cap space. With a semi-young core of Harris and developing draft picks, Big FA would be rushing to come to NY to win and make money on and off the court.

....The last 3 posts just throw Big Willie's "Parents Just Don't Understand" in my head. Thanks guys. I hate you all!


I wouldn't call it "rushing to NY" though. Being in New York does make a player much more marketable and all, but you didn't see players bolting to the Clippers when they were under the cap because they could be more marketable in LA. I do understand where you're coming from but if a big time free agent doesn't view himself as "the final piece the team needs," he's still gonna heavily consider other places. At this point, even S-Will because you never know with him, Harris is the only one with star potential (or at least a top 5 pg possibility). I'm praying one of our boys takes that role in the next 2 years or, being in NY or not, we're gonna have trouble landing an elite free agent unless we overpay for them.

[S.I.C. GM]

Besides Harris, right now we dont have a lineup that will attract Superstar FA.

I hope S.Will bulks up and has a great season and turns into a K-Mart type player. I think Harris and S.Will is a start. Now we need a above average SG. If Thorn can find a player that is under the radar that has the potential like Redd, Arenas, Ellis, and even Boobi Gibson in the second round, we are on our way. A sixth man and a decent bench, Why not come to brooklyn, Lebron? LOL

This is all speculations, but it can happen.

[MrDollarBills]

^ I dont think people understand.

We will be in Brooklyn that year or next with cap space. With a semi-young core of Harris and developing draft picks, Big FA would be rushing to come to NY to win and make money on and off the court.

1)Brooklyn is still up in the air and the team is continuously bleeding money the longer that dirtbag Ratner keeps pushing the envelope

2)What big name FA will come to a team full of young crap(because thats what we'll be if we don't construct a competent roster between now and 2010) being carried by Devin Harris and "coached" by Larry Frank? I must have missed the memo on that one...

[Rich Rane]

1)Brooklyn is still up in the air and the team is continuously bleeding money the longer that dirtbag Ratner keeps pushing the envelope

We're going to Brooklyn. The only thing holding construction now and the last few years is legal proceedings. There was a huge number of cases (around 15?) that were all in favor of the Nets. There's probably a few more and when those are tossed, construction will start.

2)What big name FA will come to a team full of young crap(because thats what we'll be if we don't construct a competent roster between now and 2010) being carried by Devin Harris and "coached" by Larry Frank? I must have missed the memo on that one...

I want you to type/write this 500 times.

This isn't about 2010. That class is a best case scenario.

[Preludepunk27]

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1)Brooklyn is still up in the air and the team is continuously bleeding money the longer that dirtbag Ratner keeps pushing the envelope

2)What big name FA will come to a team full of young crap(because thats what we'll be if we don't construct a competent roster between now and 2010) being carried by Devin Harris and "coached" by Larry Frank? I must have missed the memo on that one...

Personally, I think this is Frank's last season. I am confident Thorn and Kiki will put a team on the court that is at least good enough to be a 7 or 8 seed at the least. I think players have turned their backs on Frank but management gave him a pass this season in part to all the crap going down with Kidd. The year before that, it was all the injuries. He's always gotten a pass due to something that happened that was beyond his control. Next year if they get the same result, he's got nowhere left to hide. I think if he can't do anything, they're gonna go out next offseason, get a big name coach who is available (I'm gonna say right now I can see Thorn hiring Jeff Van Gundy. I think he fits the team and knows how to handle the NY media but I personally don't like him that much) and give him a year to mold the team then make the splash in Brooklyn.

[S.I.C. GM]

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1)Brooklyn is still up in the air and the team is continuously bleeding money the longer that dirtbag Ratner keeps pushing the envelope

2)What big name FA will come to a team full of young crap(because thats what we'll be if we don't construct a competent roster between now and 2010) being carried by Devin Harris and "coached" by Larry Frank? I must have missed the memo on that one...

I dont know how accurate this is list is and I am not including TO and PO. But this is from RealGm.

Summer of 2011 (When RJ and VC contract is up)
Al Hortford (RFA)
Yao Ming (FA)
Kobe Bryant (FA) doubt he leaves LA
Michael Redd (FA)
Amare Stoudemire (FA)
Greg Odan (RFA)
Durant (RFA)
Tony Parker (FA)
Tayshaun Prince (FA)
Dirk Nowitski (FA)

Then you we can look at the year before
Summer of 2010
Rudy Gay (RFA)
Brandon Roy (RFA)

That is to name a few. Of course there are other role players we can add to strenghten our team that I didnt mention.

[Preludepunk27]

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1)Brooklyn is still up in the air and the team is continuously bleeding money the longer that dirtbag Ratner keeps pushing the envelope

2)What big name FA will come to a team full of young crap(because thats what we'll be if we don't construct a competent roster between now and 2010) being carried by Devin Harris and "coached" by Larry Frank? I must have missed the memo on that one...

I dont know how accurate this is list is and I am not including TO and PO. But this is from RealGm.

Summer of 2011 (When RJ and VC contract is up)
Al Hortford (RFA)
Yao Ming (FA)
Kobe Bryant (FA) doubt he leaves LA
Michael Redd (FA)
Amare Stoudemire (FA)
Greg Odan (RFA)
Durant (RFA)
Tony Parker (FA)
Tayshaun Prince (FA)
Dirk Nowitski (FA)

Then you we can look at the year before
Summer of 2010
Rudy Gay (RFA)
Brandon Roy (RFA)

That is to name a few. Of course there are other role players we can add to strenghten our team that I didnt mention.

how many of those players are gonna agree to an extension though before hand?

[S.I.C. GM]

^ I dont know. Bills, just wanted to know who would be out there.

Why would Rudy Gay and Michael Redd sign an extension?

[Preludepunk27]

^ I dont know. Bills, just wanted to know who would be out there.

Why would Rudy Gay and Michael Redd sign an extension?

Well Redd won't. He's not in his rookie scale contract though. It's a lot harder (granted we all know this) to sign a restricted away from a team. I mean, who was the last one who did this? Kmart? You can't include Boozer because he was a 2nd round pick so his contract was built differently. With 1st rounders, they only time that are worth that kind of money, normally the team they're on then is willing to match any deal offered to keep them. Only time they leave is when their existing team doesn't think they're worth that much. Hell half the time those players in that situation take the qualifying and hope they just have their breakout year and can go wherever for the big pay day.

I'm just saying on my lists...unless we're gonna have about 20 million in cap room that summer, I don't even pay attention to Restricted Free Agents in any way shape or form unless there is already talk of the existing team lowballing them...like Varejao (who cleveland should lowball the crap out of). In terms of Rudy Gay, unless something drastic happens, I say we'd have a 0.5% shot of stealing him away from Memphis.

[chrbal]

You can make the trade without giving up the core 3 (carter, jefferson, and harris), the question is do you really want to? I came up with Sean Williams (a key), Maurice Ager, Trenton Hassel, Keith Van Horn, Stormile Swift, and probably the 10th pick. Someone else posted a similar deal with Maurice Williams instead of Sean Williams.

Helps the Nets right away, but it makes Jeffersons' $13.2 mil the 3rd highest contract on the team. Not to mention you'd have to use the full MLE to help the bench/roster.

Then the Pacers would have 10 returning players, 4 new ones ( I don't count Van Horn) and 3 draft picks (two lottery and one in the 2nd). 17 players under contract for a team "rebuilding".

[Preludepunk27]

You can make the trade without giving up the core 3 (carter, jefferson, and harris), the question is do you really want to? I came up with Sean Williams (a key), Maurice Ager, Trenton Hassel, Keith Van Horn, Stormile Swift, and probably the 10th pick. Someone else posted a similar deal with Maurice Williams instead of Sean Williams.

Helps the Nets right away, but it makes Jeffersons' $13.2 mil the 3rd highest contract on the team. Not to mention you'd have to use the full MLE to help the bench/roster.

Then the Pacers would have 10 returning players, 4 new ones ( I don't count Van Horn) and 3 draft picks (two lottery and one in the 2nd). 17 players under contract for a team "rebuilding".

We also have to remember, trading a handful of our contracts for a player is gonna handcuff us if we don't move RJ. Right now we are sitting nice salary cap wise. Say for arguments sake we don't trade any picks and all three make the team. We can then use the MLE and LLE to fill out our roster and really not be anywhere near the lux tax.

Problems can arise with a deal that doesn't include RJ or Vince. We'll likely have to deal 2-4 players to make a deal work for anyone legit. That means we're gonna have to spend more money trying to fill out our bench in the long run. Unless we fill it with a lot of summer league kids or vets willing to play for the minimum (which doesn't happen 99% of the time unless you're a title contender), the guys we sign are gonna push us towards the lux tax.

Bottom line is, yes we do have some flexibility right now. Only way we're gonna take the flexibility away is if we get a guy who we feel will make us a title contender. Since I don't really see that happening, I personally just can't see us making a trade for a guy who will start for us without giving up RJ. I really just see RJ/Macus/one of our picks being gone on or before draft night.

[S.I.C. GM]

Not sure how true this is. I havent seen him play in awhile.

O'Neal is billed as an athletic 7-footer who can run the floor. There's only one drawback: He doesn't run.

"He'd be the worst guy for LeBron (James)," the source said. "He's a black hole. He never passes out of double teams. It would limit what LeBron can do. It would be a disaster."

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?news ... 1848&rfi=6

[Preludepunk27]

^^^^

Well look at his stats. He had Reggie Miller on his team. Arguably one of the best spot up shooters in NBA History, and JO's career high in assists was 2.6. Now mind you I think he has some solid post moves and whatnot, but in Reggie's prime, JO never averaged over 2 assists a game. It's really only been late in JO's career that he's even gone over the 2 apg plateau.

Granted, I'm trying think back to those older Pacer teams to try to remember how their offense was run, but I don't really recall him being able to pass out of a double team efficiently either. You can make the argument though that he was a good passer but his low assists totals were because after the pass his teammate would make a basketball move or something to negate it. Either way, we play ISO more than not, so it really wouldn't bother me in our system, just his contract would if he doesn't work out. His contract is tempting since he'd come off the book after the 09-10 season, but if he doesn't work out, we're dead in the water for 2 years.

[MrDollarBills]

I am not sold on JO but I agree it would be foolish for us to handcuff ourselves cap wise by not moving RJ in a possible deal.

Anyways, i think the Nets "offense" is in need of a SF that is more of a long range shooting type than a blackhole er i mean slashing type that RJ is.

[jvcn15]

Hey guys,

Long time lurker, but coming out of the woodworks with a trade idea:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=798105

The trade:

NJ receives: JO/Jack/Webster for RJ/Hassell/KVH/MW/Boone

Portland receives: RJ/Hassell/#41 for LaFrentz/Webster/Jack/#13

Indiana receives: LaFrentz/KVH/MW/Boone/#13 for JO/#41


I'd like more NJ input. Seems like a go, if Pacers keep #41.

[Preludepunk27]

^^^^ I already said I thought this deal was pretty solid. I don't really know why we would get Jack (I like him but I figured we'd want a Vet). I really like Webster and it we're moving RJ so we're not handcuffed on the lux tax thanks to JO's contract.

Someone in that thread mentioned Sean Williams for Shawne Williams though being put in the deal...I'm against that. I'm not giving up our Sean...even though I actually would be fine with the Pacers' Shawne coming to us even with all his off the court issues.

[TheNetsFan]

Hey guys,

Long time lurker, but coming out of the woodworks with a trade idea:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=798105

The trade:

NJ receives: JO/Jack/Webster for RJ/Hassell/KVH/MW/Boone

Portland receives: RJ/Hassell/#41 for LaFrentz/Webster/Jack/#13

Indiana receives: LaFrentz/KVH/MW/Boone/#13 for JO/#41


I'd like more NJ input. Seems like a go, if Pacers keep #41.

I'm not giving up a solid big (Boone) for a bunch of question marks. There's no way I'd make that deal.

[jvcn15]

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I'm not giving up a solid big (Boone) for a bunch of question marks. There's no way I'd make that deal.

I've been noticing this a lot, but what's with the overrating of your team's players? Boone's celing is not very high, he has no real special qualities, and he doesn't give the Nets anything that they drastically need (esp. not toughness). His numbers have been inflated because of passes from VC on pick and rolls, and Nets very poor rebounding. I'm not saying he's terrible, because he does hustle and has been improving, but in no way should he be a deal breaker. You're not going to get anything of substance without giving some young talent. And I'd rather trade Boone than SWAT, personally. And I too am against trading Sean for Shawne.

[Preludepunk27]

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I've been noticing this a lot, but what's with the overrating of your team's players? Boone's celing is not very high, he has no real special qualities, and he doesn't give the Nets anything that they drastically need (esp. not toughness). His numbers have been inflated because of passes from VC on pick and rolls, and Nets very poor rebounding. I'm not saying he's terrible, because he does hustle and has been improving, but in no way should he be a deal breaker. You're not going to get anything of substance without giving some young talent. And I'd rather trade Boone than SWAT, personally. And I too am against trading Sean for Shawne.

Nets actually have a very small tight nit and loyal fan base. We come together basically in a state that is dominated by Knick fans in the North and Sixer fans in the South. At least with me, when you become a Net, you're an extension of my family. I think am quicker to move guys like Boone sometimes, but I only put him in deals because I think teams would really want him and it'll be the only way to get something done.

You're right though, we do overvalue our players. I've always said though to my friends, I'd rather root for a losing team I love than root for a winning team I hate. I'm not gonna give my boys up unless I love the players I'm getting in return.

[TheNetsFan]

I'd trade SWAT over Boone any day of the week. Boone has athleticism & smarts. He's fundamentally sound & a good pick & roll player (perfect with VC & Harris). SWAT can jump out of the gym, but do little else. He & RJ are greatly overrated by most Net fans.

Webster is a nice player. I like him, but he's still not proven. JO has huge injury concerns. If he's 100% healthy, I make this deal in a heartbeat, but I think he'll never be close to what he once was. We'd be giving up two starters for two guys that may not be capabale of starting long term.

Forget JO. I'll gladly trade RJ for Webster/Outlaw + #13 + LaFrentz. I doubt Portland would do that though.