What do you expect out of VC next season?

[aussienet]

^^^ it's "they brought it"

"It's already been BROUGHTEN"

I am a loser yes lol

Hey prelude for all the incorrect english that goes on on this board you gonna bust my balls for saying Brung? lol.

[Preludepunk27]

LOL you're the one that asked a question after saying it remember? It's all good, I'm from Jersey so naturally I have horrible English.

[Preludepunk27]

aussie basically had it right in his initial post. VC is in a lose-lose situation. The only option he has to succeed is leading this team into a magical season and being a MVP candidate (he is capable of doing so, IMO)

My whole argument is VC has truly been a professional throughout his career. No Raptor trolls please. Tired of winning those arguments - not going back there. The guy may not "bring it" every night, but most players in the league don't either..honestly it's not physically possible to do. His talent is without question top-notch, but I agree with the killer instinct comments. Is it that he doesn't have it? He's shown glimpses of having it (especially in Sydney) and on a few occasions throughout his NBA career. It's not consistent, completely agree with those comments. For someone (not neccesarily anyone here) to misconstrue his motive in playing (just to get his numbers, doesn't love the game,etc..) is nonsense. The guy has proven to be consistent and improve in every aspect of the game, so you know you can chalk up 23 points, 5+ rebounds and 5+ assists 90% of the time. His perception among the media and fairweather fans is inaccurate, and is a clouded judgement based on inconsistencies that have plagued him his entire career. Trust me, I've followed him more than anyone else on these forums and probably any other "fan." Surround him with what he needs to succeed; 1) coach/system (never had it, fire frank.) 2)tough, hard-nosed teammate(s) (Hasn't had it since Oakley and AD) 3)Consistent outside shooter (never had it) and 4) a legit big man (who is a threat on the block) -- and he is a champion. He's a team player who is unselfish and wants to win, bottom line.

I don't really think that Vince not having the killer instinct is really a bad thing. I think we just need someone on the team with some attitude. Right now Vince is our only star so we're naturally looking for him to do everything which is just asking too much of the guy.

Imagine if we had Kmart (minus the knee issues) and still were able to land Vince back in the day. Then nobody would ever bring Vince's killer instinct into question because Kmart would be eating everyone's babies. Vince could potentially find his killer instinct but I don't think it will be until he thinks we can potentially win a title. Either that or one of our young guys shows the thirst for blood so we stop complaining about Vince in this particular situation.

[Birth of the Cool]

My guess is around 23 ppg / 6 apg / 4 rpg / 43 fg% - also I think he will have the best FT% of his career (so over 0.817%). Also, if the offensive burden relies too much on VC we will see a significant drop off on his defense (which was solid last year). I also think this year VC will continue to provide significant leadership on this team like he did post-Kidd trade last year.

but really this year his stats could vary alot depending on how this team develops (or doesn't develop).

A few things that will change really effect his stats:

CONSISTENCY
this is VC's greatest weakness and which stops him from being an elite All-NBA type player and leaves him at All-Star Caliber level. His 1st year w/ the Nets he was consistent but outside of that you are never sure what VC will bring from quarter to quarter let alone game to game, despite providing consistent annual numbers his game-to-game production is hot & cold...now just like his 1st season w/ Nets the big focus is on him which oddly I think may make him more consistent/focused. There is a huge (image) incentive for him to have this Nets team overachieve.

LAWRENCE FRANK
The laughable 100-page motion offense playbook is supposedly being trashed or at least altered. With our frontcourt if they can establish they own the defensive glass we will have the ability to run more off misses and I expect the new playbook to have an obscene amount of pick & roll plays for Devin and VC to help create easy offensive opportunities for Lopez/Boone/Yi, etc. If L Frank lets VC handle the ball more on 1/2 court sets his production will go up by default.

TEAMMATES
This is the big key. If we find that Lopez is too slowly learning the NBA bigman game, if Yi isn't the real deal, if SWat hasn't improved, if Boone regresses, if Anderson doesn't bring lights out shooting into the NBA, if Devin doesn't improve his jumpshot, etc then VC will have to put up big #'s and this will have a negative result on his FG% and frankly may result in injury and his defense will be poor. However if Lopez, SWat, Boone can finish around the basket and create their own offense, if Yi can hit open jumpshots & be as athletic as he sometimes looks, if Anderson is Boki v.2, if Devin becomes Tony Parker East then VC can rely on his teammates to produce and not kill himself trying to score. His defense can then be solid.

Anyways I'm really looking forward to this season. Of course I'll be watching VC's play but there's a whole bunch of guys this year that I'm really looking forward to watching besides VC on this new team (Devin, Yi, Lopez mainly....but also Anderson - is his shooting rep legit, Dooling - high energy defensive bulldog's are always fun watching on your team, CDR - not as high as others on him but curious to see if he can produce on NBA level or Wright stuff, Najera - this guy will be the hardest worker on the team & that attitude will hopefully rub off on the rest of the team, heck if Swift actually is on the team at the start of the season I'm cheering for him to produce & challenge Yi & others for minutes...heck, why not).

[Brampton boy]

a Trust me, I've followed him more than anyone else on these forums and probably any other "fan." Surround him with what he needs to succeed; 1) coach/system (never had it, fire frank.) 2)tough, hard-nosed teammate(s) (Hasn't had it since Oakley and AD) 3)Consistent outside shooter (never had it) and 4) a legit big man (who is a threat on the block) -- and he is a champion. He's a team player who is unselfish and wants to win, bottom line.

Completely agree with you except on point #3 about never having a consistent outside shooter....he did have dell curry his second year in the L which is ironically one of his best seasons to date.

[halfHAVOC]

27.5 ppg / 6 boards / 6 assits / 1.3 stls / 1.1 blks

chea.

[jeff1624]

23 PPG 5 RPG 6 APG

[aussienet]

LOL you're the one that asked a question after saying it remember? It's all good, I'm from Jersey so naturally I have horrible English.

True. I get it's good. It is good to have fun with each other (in a good way of course) every once in a while.

[aussienet]

G_money, I agree with the fact you agree with me, and i agree with what you said. I also agree with every one else's round about view of VC having 25 6 5 1 &1.

Agreed?????????

Sorry just having some silly fun.

Let's go Nets. Just hurry up and start the season already.

Lets hope all the players "bring it"

Let's hope Frank get's the phone call from Rod saying he doesn't have to "bring It" (he's lunch box and brief case i mean)

[jeff1624]

^^^ it's "they brought it"

"It's already been BROUGHTEN"

I am a loser yes lol

Not in my book, Prelude. I actually liked Not Another Teen Movie.

Suspend teh self please...

[kamaze]

Not much he's coming off of his worst year and there's nobody to push him to play.

[Birth of the Cool]

Not much he's coming off of his worst year and there's nobody to push him to play.

It was the worst year for the Nets as a team with VC on it. That cannot be argued.

However, last year as his worst as a Nets. Perhaps but arguable. Last year he had
played 38.9 mpg, tied for the most in his Nets Career.
his second best FG% as a Net
his second best 3pt% as a Net
his second best FT% as a Net
had his best rebounds per game of his career
had his best assists per game of his career
had the least turnovers per game as a Net
and played his most consistent defense (above average defensive numbers at the 2 spot)
and for the first time as a Net player finally showed some real leadership both on/off court

the above clarifies my original post, yes NBA basketball is very star-oriented and one player can impact an NBA game more than any of other major sports but at the end of the day it's still a wonderful team game & a good teams trumps all (just ask Pierce).

and the comment about pushing him ? Is that in regards to Kidd ? because let's face it VC pushes VC & frankly he hasn't pushed himself enough throughout his career and it's on him. Only two people I've known to push VC, one VC second was Oakley. Kidd is a leader by action and doesn't push people to play he just plays & through his brilliant play makes others better...there's a difference. Anyways, last year VC had his best stretch when there was "nobody to push him to play". It's on VC.

[kamaze]

Numbers only prove staats last year was VC's worst as a Net there's really no argument.
He re-signed with the team, got injured and the Nets missed the playoffs for the first time in 6 years I believe it is. The captain was traded along with the other part of "the big 3" RJ a player coming off a career season.

At least when he came here he was injured and it was a new system, there's no excuse =for his play last season. He'll have to play his butt off this year but I doubt it he's older and the the team is lousy.

LOL VC himself admitted he needs motivation and said his best year was with Oak for the Raptors.
Kidd motivates everybody team USA are the latest to benefit from his leadership.

[Birth of the Cool]

there is an argument and I made one based not only on stats but reasoning of stats.
Your counter was basically "nuh uh". I'm not arguing for certain that last year wasn't his worst but to be so definitive as you are I feel is incorrect.

Your statements that Nets missed playoffs, Kidd traded, and RJ traded in off-season don't directly relate to your argument that last year was VC's worst as a Nets. Obviously VC's play was a factor and he was madly inconsistent but again having career high's in assists/rebounds & having 2nd highest FG%, etc (all stated in my post...) would counter your so sure statement that last year was his worst.

Again I stated it was the worst the Nets have performed with VC in their uniform (which of course is most important) but while there is an obvious correlation there is no direct relation to your statement that Nets failures as a team meant it was VC's worst year (one can make the argument though).

Where did VC say he needed motivation ? and when did he say his best year's was with Oak ? Show me where he said those things. Would be interesting to read.

I won't re-address the Kidd factor, already stated it rather clearly.

and ..uhm, there's no argument. That should close the deal.

[tosi]

Warned for trolling.

Neither jerseyjac nor I will have any of that this season. We're completely tired of this.

- Rich Rane

[vincecarter4pres]

Why? Has he been taking lessons from Jermaine Oneal?

[JGeils]

Nope. Richard Jefferson.