Brand & T-MAC

[aussienet]

Hey guy's help me out here. I like to think of myself as a pretty knowledgable fan. But I am willing to listen and learn. reports (true or untrue) are the philly and houston may not be happy with either player. It's trade deadline time soon and some GM's get a little sweaty under the collar (if you get my meaning)

1) are we interested in these players?

2) What would it take to get theses players?

3) would it put us over the edge? (championship wise)

4) Will any team even take Thorns Phone call? Or will they only talk to KIKI and not realise that thorn is pullin the strings?

Remember Guy's I know that we are in re-build mode. But I'm just contemplating the if's.
If these teams are thinkin about movin these two on maybe Thorn could low ball them.
Do any of you see the possibilty of 76ers or rockets bein remotely interested in what we got.
I'll wait for your thoughts then i'll respond with mine
Cheers

p.s you can flame if you wish, but these are just my thoughts and I'm seeking yours.
p.p.s NO HOMER DEALS!!!!!!

[crazykidd2k6]

The Nets are no where near a championship team even if add in star players like t-mac or brand. They don't fully fit in the team, so we won't get their full potential. T-Mac=VC plays the same position. Brand is too slow for the team. Maybe with Brand we can become a second round exit but the best we can do with him If he is playing for the Nets. The Nets are way too far to reach the finals here are reasons:

1. The team is too incomplete. We still need A LOT of weapons to just even become a championship contenders. First we need a shut down perimeter defender guards BOTH SG and SF. Second We need a consistent scorer. Third, we need a good defensive specialist, a banger someone who can defend any PF. Finally, we still need a better 6th man who is a mumentum changer.

2. The Nets Stars are not good enough. VC is not good to become the only star and become champion. We need a better player than him to even consider.

3. We have too many prospect players the still needs to grow.

[Rockice_8]

Yeah I think we could be contenders with these guys. . . . If we got both

[S.I.C. GM]

This stuff are not going to happen.

[Preludepunk27]

I would laugh if we pulled off the TMac deal. Yeah it keeps us financially prepared for 2010 and yeah I don't want him on this team, but I'm just giggling at the best offer we could make Houston. It'd be like Simmons/Swift/GSW 1st rounder is the best offer I'd give. Tmac can't play a full season anymore and he's younger than Vince. I mean they're not gonna get ANY young guy unless it's Mo Ager. This gives them some cap help after this season, saves them cash next year and gets a possible first rounder in 2011. I would NEVER give up any other pick or young player we got for TMac at this point. I'd just laugh if Houston actually took that deal. Would they ever? I would say there is a 95% chance Houston would hang up the phone immediately every time we called with that deal, but it's just funny to think about.

Sixers would never trade with us unless Stefanski had to. If Stefanski was GM of a Western Conference team, it would be more realistic (see: Minny and Boston), but they're in our division, you basically strain every other option before trading within your division, even if you have a personal relationship with the guy on the other side of the table.

[vincecarter4pres]

In a word, no.

Especially with Tmac.

In the distant past (about a month and a half ago, lol) I said if Brand waws available you had to jump on it, I have now changed my tune.

I don't care if one move of getting a player of Brand's caliber makes us a contender or not, if it is available on the cheap, or even reasonable, you take it.
The problem is, is Brand's caliber still Brand's caliber?
I have watched him play multiple times this year, from the beginning of the season, the middle and the other night in his 1st game back from the shoulder injury.
He just doesn't seem to have the lift he used to anymore. He looks pretty slow and doesn't have the lateral quicks he did before the knee surgery.
Last but not least, which I so hate to question because I always thought Brand was an extremely high character guy and is one of my favorite players, has he lowered his level of play further since recieving his last big contract?

I just wouldn't trade for Brand and his large contract until I saw him play the rest of this season healthy and saw him get his legs back. Then you could get a feel for him.
Was he looking like crap because he was very rusty?
Or has the injury and surgery and big payday truly and dramtically effected him like it seems?

[aussienet]

Hey guy's thanks for your thoughts (sorry i haven't replied sooner but we just had our Australia day long weekend, of which I spent coaching a tourney, we finished third) Anyways. My initial thoughts on Brand is that he just might be our defensive banger. And T-Mac might be our third scoring option. I'm not head over heels in love with this idea, was mainly just spit ballin. Remember I said For thorn to low ball them. It's what he does best.

Anyways back to work(sigh)

cheers

[ecuhus1981]

I was all for taking T-Mac when it seemed as though Houston was tired of him, a few weeks ago. Even Yao *allegedly* wanted him gone, with a more natural 2nd fiddle brought in next to him.

But it seems as though package of, say, Simmons/Swift/Sean/GSW1st won't be enough, even in Tracy's condition, and I can't see us parting with anything of greater value for him at this point in his career. I would like to see if we can nab Mike Miller or another short-term fix at SF, though.

Not interested in Brand or his contract in the least.

[Preludepunk27]

Yeah we'd never give up anything of substance right now for Tmac. Houston knows that is the thought process for most teams in the NBA though. I wouldn't even put Sean in there either though. Simmons/Swift/GSW1 is the best deal they'd ever get from me, which is why Houston is gonna be stuck with him until at least the 09-10 season trade deadline.

[jerseyjac]

aussie...honeslty bro...I dont think Houston is parting w/ Tmac and I dont think Philly is parting w. Brand...and I really dont think we would have the means of aquiring them...I'm sure there are other teams that can offer better deals if interested...

give Brand some more time though, he hasnt impressed me tremendously in Philly...but Tmac has certainly declined due to injury...I'm curious where his game can go...even if we could, I wouldnt want Tmac at this point...

[S.I.C. GM]

Sad how the mighty have fallen. Damn!! Brand.

As scary it would be to take a chance with Brand, if they want Simmons, Hassel, and Ager/SWill/Boone, I can swing that. I would put GS pick or 2nd rounder to sweeten deal.

I think he will be better then what JO'Neal is giving TOR.

Harris, VC, whoever, Brand, Lopez

Frank would have to change the offense to low post offense dominant. Dribble Drive would be situational.

[aussienet]

Sad how the mighty have fallen. Damn!! Brand.

As scary it would be to take a chance with Brand, if they want Simmons, Hassel, and Ager/SWill/Boone, I can swing that. I would put GS pick or 2nd rounder to sweeten deal.

I think he will be better then what JO'Neal is giving TOR.

Harris, VC, whoever, Brand, Lopez

Frank would have to change the offense to low post offense dominant. Dribble Drive would be situational.

Thankyou SIC that was entirely my point. And if anybody can make that deal work MrThorn can.
Frank, for all his flaws, is much suited to coaching vets. he is old school. I would like to think (hope) that some vets would buy into the team winning concept. rather than putting up numbers if it meant a chance for success.

Cheers

[vincecarter4pres]

If that was all it would take to get Brand, there would be a reason for it.
No thanks.

[jerseyjac]

If that was all it would take to get Brand, there would be a reason for it.
No thanks.

nah...like you said, you've seen his play...I'd do it for what we're offering, he's still able to run, so why not......and up pops some Brand rumors...you might be on to something ausssie

[aussienet]

^^^^^ ha! i'm all over it like a fat kid on a do-nut. lol.