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Re: Boozer 

Post#41 » by deviljets7 » Mon Jun 1, 2009 9:56 pm

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When draft picks can be bought for straight cash and with the Jazz luxury tax issues, is it really worth it for them to take $5 or so million in dead wood contracts just for CDR and a pick they won't see any time soon? I tend to doubt it. At the very least the filler has to be a player who will play for Utah. Hassell wouldn't see the light of day there


-Hassel wouldnt play agreed, but CDR is a chip for them as well as the pick.

If they want to buy a draft pick, it costs them the same $5M from a cash flow perspective.

(1) they have to pay $3M
(2) they have to pay the player's salary

So I would rather pay salary to Hassel and CDR for $5M total and get a pick, than just shell out $5M for the pick. Granted this eats away at lux tax space but at least they get CDR and future pick for Boozer. Look, they arent that far off from getting under the lux tax. see below.

I assume the following:

1)decline option on Almond
2)eat Harprings $2.5M guarantee, he is not going to earn the $6.5M
3)They pick up option on Fesenko and Brewer
4) resign Milsap starting at $8M with $1M increases each year - $5 years, $50M total
5)resign okur to starting at $8M with $1M increases each year - $5 years, $50M total
6) Korver does not opt out

Lets assume they make the deal I proposed with OKC - just as an example. They would be left with:

AK - 16.5
Miles - 3.7
Milsap - 8.0
deron - 13.8
Hassel - 4.4
CDR - 0.7
Koufus - 1.2
Korver - 5.3
Fesenko - 0.9
harpring - 2.5
Okur - 8.0
brewer - 2.7
# 20 pick - 1.3
total = 69M = most likely under lux tax

Im just saying, it isnt impossible to make this work


Harpring's contract only voided if he missed time due to a right knee injury, which did not happen. His contract is fully guaranteed and as a result your roster plan has the Jazz in the luxury tax. As a result, the cash flow impact of a Hassell/CDR combo is more like $8-9 million rather than the $5 you're estimating it at.
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Re: Boozer 

Post#42 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jun 1, 2009 10:23 pm

amk482 wrote:This is why I think a third team with unguranteed contracts needs to be involved and you can try and incentivize them to get involved. I agree that Nets and Utah straight up would be difficult. (see previous post with suggestions)

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Post#43 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jun 1, 2009 10:32 pm

BTW, a think a trade involving VC/Hassell/Hayes/11th pick for AK47/extended Boozer with a 3rd team sending a useful player back with the same salary as Hassell would get it done and keep Utah far enough under the luxo tax to resign Millsap to a market value contract and still remain right under the tax. Maybe they would have to send out a player like Ronnie Brewer and their draft pick for a TPE from a team under the cap to remain under the luxury tax.
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Re: Boozer 

Post#44 » by amk482 » Mon Jun 1, 2009 10:42 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:BTW, a think a trade involving VC/Hassell/Hayes/11th pick for AK47/extended Boozer with a 3rd team sending a useful player back with the same salary as Hassell would get it done and keep Utah far enough under the luxo tax to resign Millsap to a market value contract and still remain right under the tax. Maybe they would have to send out a player like Ronnie Brewer and their draft pick for a TPE from a team under the cap to remain under the luxury tax.


I would rather keep VC then take back AK, but would I do like is the creativity.
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Post#45 » by amk482 » Mon Jun 1, 2009 10:49 pm

Harpring's contract only voided if he missed time due to a right knee injury, which did not happen. His contract is fully guaranteed and as a result your roster plan has the Jazz in the luxury tax. As a result, the cash flow impact of a Hassell/CDR combo is more like $8-9 million rather than the $5 you're estimating it at.


where are you getting that info on Harprings contract? maybe I read something old.
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Re: Boozer 

Post#46 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jun 2, 2009 1:08 am

amk482 wrote:
Harpring's contract only voided if he missed time due to a right knee injury, which did not happen. His contract is fully guaranteed and as a result your roster plan has the Jazz in the luxury tax. As a result, the cash flow impact of a Hassell/CDR combo is more like $8-9 million rather than the $5 you're estimating it at.


where are you getting that info on Harprings contract? maybe I read something old.

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Re: Boozer 

Post#47 » by lurkingobeiscity » Tue Jun 2, 2009 9:48 am

NJ Trades:
Vince Carter - $16,123,250
Josh Boone - $2,056,968
Ryan Anderson - $1,317,120
2010 NJN 1st rounder (or GSW highly protected future 1st)

=$19,497,338
(x 1.25) + 100,000 = 24,471,672.5

NJ Receives:
Carlos Boozer - 13,000,000 S&T
CJ Miles - $3,700,000
Matt Harpring - $6,500,000

=$23,200,000

NJ moves VC for a 20/10 PF who fits well beside Lopez. They give up a nice PF prospect and a 1st in order to make that swap. They also absorb some salary in this trade as well.

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Utah Trades:
Carlos Boozer - 13,000,000 S&T
Matt Harpring - $6,500,000
CJ Miles - $3,700,000

=$23,200,000
(x1.25) + 100,000 = 29,100,000

Utah Receives:
Joel Pryzbilla - $6,857,725
Travis Outlaw - $3,600,000
Ryan Anderson - $1,317,120
2010 Nets 1st rounder (or GSW highly protected future 1st)

=$11,774,845

Utah facilitates a sign and trade in order to gain a prospect, a 1st, and an actual defensive big man. The Jazz gain only 1.27 million in current salary compared with letting Boozer walk. Taking into this and the Jazz's 2009 draft pick the Jazz should still have between 8-9 million this year for resigning Millsap if Okur resigns for about 9 mil. Utah does not have to give up Miles for Outlaw (instead Outlaw can go straight to NJ) but I figured I'd add it to the trade as an option since Outlaw's expiring offsets taking on the 2-year deal of Pryzbilla.

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Portland Trades:
Joel Pryzbilla - $6,857,725
Travis Outlaw - $3,600,000

=$10,457,725
+$8,500,000 cap room = $18,957,725

Portland Receives:
Vince Carter - $16,123,250
Josh Boone - $2,056,968

=$18,180,218

Portland gives up their starting center and Outlaw with hopes of Oden stepping into a starting role. Josh Boone is a safety. Vince Carter steps in as a starting SF. He can post, shoot, drive and pass. He is a good defender. Carter also makes an upgrade at PG unimportant as Carter can play PG offensively. He offers versatility by being able to slide between the 2 and the 3. Carter's 3rd year of his deal is only $4.5mil guaranteed so the Blazers aren't on the hook for the longterm. This allows the team to contend in the short term while tying their long-term potential to the development of Oden, Rudy, and Bayless. This move does use up about all of the team's room under the salary cap. Outlaw is included for contract matching and value. The Blazers may have to add more.
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Re: Boozer 

Post#48 » by amk482 » Tue Jun 2, 2009 1:30 pm

lurkingobeiscity wrote:NJ Trades:
Vince Carter - $16,123,250
Josh Boone - $2,056,968
Ryan Anderson - $1,317,120
2010 NJN 1st rounder (or GSW highly protected future 1st)

=$19,497,338
(x 1.25) + 100,000 = 24,471,672.5

NJ Receives:
Carlos Boozer - 13,000,000 S&T
CJ Miles - $3,700,000
Matt Harpring - $6,500,000

=$23,200,000

NJ moves VC for a 20/10 PF who fits well beside Lopez. They give up a nice PF prospect and a 1st in order to make that swap. They also absorb some salary in this trade as well.

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Utah Trades:
Carlos Boozer - 13,000,000 S&T
Matt Harpring - $6,500,000
CJ Miles - $3,700,000

=$23,200,000
(x1.25) + 100,000 = 29,100,000

Utah Receives:
Joel Pryzbilla - $6,857,725
Travis Outlaw - $3,600,000
Ryan Anderson - $1,317,120
2010 Nets 1st rounder (or GSW highly protected future 1st)

=$11,774,845

Utah facilitates a sign and trade in order to gain a prospect, a 1st, and an actual defensive big man. The Jazz gain only 1.27 million in current salary compared with letting Boozer walk. Taking into this and the Jazz's 2009 draft pick the Jazz should still have between 8-9 million this year for resigning Millsap if Okur resigns for about 9 mil. Utah does not have to give up Miles for Outlaw (instead Outlaw can go straight to NJ) but I figured I'd add it to the trade as an option since Outlaw's expiring offsets taking on the 2-year deal of Pryzbilla.

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Portland Trades:
Joel Pryzbilla - $6,857,725
Travis Outlaw - $3,600,000

=$10,457,725
+$8,500,000 cap room = $18,957,725

Portland Receives:
Vince Carter - $16,123,250
Josh Boone - $2,056,968

=$18,180,218

Portland gives up their starting center and Outlaw with hopes of Oden stepping into a starting role. Josh Boone is a safety. Vince Carter steps in as a starting SF. He can post, shoot, drive and pass. He is a good defender. Carter also makes an upgrade at PG unimportant as Carter can play PG offensively. He offers versatility by being able to slide between the 2 and the 3. Carter's 3rd year of his deal is only $4.5mil guaranteed so the Blazers aren't on the hook for the longterm. This allows the team to contend in the short term while tying their long-term potential to the development of Oden, Rudy, and Bayless. This move does use up about all of the team's room under the salary cap. Outlaw is included for contract matching and value. The Blazers may have to ass more.



I think if you have the Nets giving up VC and Anderson to acquire Boozer, that we can't add in 2010 # 1, it would have to be GSW # 1. I still think this is a lot to give up for Boozer but I see where you are going with this as we are getting a nice young player in CJ Miles. Also, i dont think Boozer would command $13M starting out - I thin closer to 5 years and $55M, startig out at around $9M is more than reasonable. One other concern is that Portland is getting VC for Outlaw and Pryzbilla. I think perhaps they need to throw something back to us or perhaps they give up the draft pick to Utah and we keep our own pick. That may balance it a little more. What about Portland giving us Rudy and have Utah keep Miles? But again, this idea seems like a good basis.
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Re: Boozer 

Post#49 » by netsfan2009 » Tue Jun 2, 2009 1:57 pm

No way we get Boozer.. the Nets are hemorrhaging $$$. Boozer only adds to Ratner's financial losses. With Brooklyn not on the (immediate) horizon, I cant see spending big $$ on Boozer. Ticket sales will minimally increase, even if we are a playoff team. Sad fact is NJ never fully supported the Nets for a variety of reasons and with the annoucned move and recession, the potential draw for the Nets has dwindled.
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Post#50 » by Preludepunk27 » Tue Jun 2, 2009 4:15 pm

netsfan2009 wrote:No way we get Boozer.. the Nets are hemorrhaging $$$. Boozer only adds to Ratner's financial losses. With Brooklyn not on the (immediate) horizon, I cant see spending big $$ on Boozer. Ticket sales will minimally increase, even if we are a playoff team. Sad fact is NJ never fully supported the Nets for a variety of reasons and with the annoucned move and recession, the potential draw for the Nets has dwindled.


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Re: Boozer 

Post#51 » by NetsForce » Tue Jun 2, 2009 5:23 pm

Maybe we can get Kobe Bryant when he opts out of his deal this year. ...Errr sorry about that, I think I've been spending too much time on the Knicks board...
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Post#52 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Jun 3, 2009 2:23 am

As much as I despise Kobe, your sig is off the hook.
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