Nets Can Offer TWO Max Deals in 2010

[ecuhus1981]

How about three studs next summer. Sign two...and S&T with Harris+ for the third....

Please tell me you're not with the trade Harris people......

I suppose I am (unintentionally) the leader of the Trade Harris movement.

No one hates Devin, or thinks he's trash, but I was interested to see what teams would offer. I had my eye on Rubio, but the closer I looked, the more I preferred what we have. Ricky might be the next Kidd, but he also might be the next Antonio Daniels. I'm not sure Harris is an All-Star next year, with a healthy Arenas and a developing Rose, but he'll be our leader, and it just doesn't make sense to trade him.


P.S. My stance is no different than Vandethorn's, btw. Brook is untouchable, and Devin would only be available in a ridiculously sweet deal. Nothing of the sort has come or is on the horizon, so it's better to keep him.

[Hansel]

How about three studs next summer. Sign two...and S&T with Harris+ for the third....

Or just sign two studs, keep Harris, and still have the three studs. Harris is such a good player. I think he's getting thrown into trade proposals far too often. Obviously I'd move him in the right deal, but I don't think the right deal even (or ever will) exists. Honestly, I don't expect to get any big FAs next year. MAYBE they somehow can trade for Amare, but that's about it. But, if the unthinkable happened and they actually got LBJ/Bosh, I'd love to have Harris with them. Won't happen but wow, the team would be so good.

[mack69]

its my opinion that if the plan is to have 2 FA play there has to be PG willing to differ to these players first. I dont know if Harris has the mindset to do that. That is why for this season if he can average 9 APG then we are in good shape.

[mack69]

How about three studs next summer. Sign two...and S&T with Harris+ for the third....

Or just sign two studs, keep Harris, and still have the three studs. Harris is such a good player. I think he's getting thrown into trade proposals far too often. Obviously I'd move him in the right deal, but I don't think the right deal even (or ever will) exists. Honestly, I don't expect to get any big FAs next year. MAYBE they somehow can trade for Amare, but that's about it. But, if the unthinkable happened and they actually got LBJ/Bosh, I'd love to have Harris with them. Won't happen but wow, the team would be so good.

You dont trade VC if dont have a good idea that you can do something next year. These past years of losing would be well worth it. Harris just has to improve even further this year. He has to become a top five PG!!!!!!

[vincecarter4pres]

How about three studs next summer. Sign two...and S&T with Harris+ for the third....

Or just sign two studs, keep Harris, and still have the three studs. Harris is such a good player. I think he's getting thrown into trade proposals far too often. Obviously I'd move him in the right deal, but I don't think the right deal even (or ever will) exists. Honestly, I don't expect to get any big FAs next year. MAYBE they somehow can trade for Amare, but that's about it. But, if the unthinkable happened and they actually got LBJ/Bosh, I'd love to have Harris with them. Won't happen but wow, the team would be so good.

You dont trade VC if dont have a good idea that you can do something next year. These past years of losing would be well worth it. Harris just has to improve even further this year. He has to become a top five PG!!!!!!

I wish this were true, but it's not.
The team is hemmoraging money and has been for years now.
The Nets were always a team that lost money, but even in the pre-Kidd days the Nets were "only" losing around 10 mill a year, in the Finals years we made some money, the next year they about broke even, but as soon as Ratner bought them they started losing a ton of money, just bleeding money like a depressed cutter.
He's a terrible owner and he literally alienated a huge chunk of our fanbase, whether diehards like ourselves like to admit it or not.
I mean I have a lot of friends that are sports fans that kind of fairweatherd it through the Kidd years that stopped paying attention after the 1st three seasons, but I also have a few friends that were real deal Nets fans from the Kenny/Coleman days to the Kidd years that literally felt so fouled and dusgusted when Ratner bought the team that they literally stopped watching basketball altogether, except some sparatic playoff games. They didn't even switch teams(which honestly would have been the low road, fair weather, fake fan thing to do anyway), they just stopped watching basketball, well at least NBA basketball, a few of them got back into NCAA hoops more then they had been since they were teenagers.
This team has been losing 20 to 30 million dollars per year for the last 3 or 4 seasons!!!!
That's including a couple of 2nd round playoff runs.
VC was gone if it was just for salary cuts to make it easier to sell the team if necessary and to cut some losses even if not. Build the team through the draft, but not because it's the smart basketball decision, even if it is, but because it's the cheap way to stay afloat and have a chance.

[enetric]

How about three studs next summer. Sign two...and S&T with Harris+ for the third....

Please tell me you're not with the trade Harris people......

I am not looking to dump him...but I do not love him either. I would trade anyone that improves our team in the right order. As in...improving with a look at cap, draft, and free agency.

I believe he is a BYC...so now is not the time. But next year? If we could end up with a third uber player? WHY NOT????

I do not see him making that leap so I would trade up if it meant getting someone better in a year from now...

[Cruzeirao]

Devin is not a BYC player anymore.

He was when he got trated for us.

I would trade Devin too in the right deal. But i can't see now a good trade for him.

But if we get the first pick next season (John Wall), we would have a lot of leverage in free agent. Cavs would call us to do a sign and trade for LeBron (He would get more money), trying to avoid losing him for nothing.

We could also offer the pick with Devin and fillers and get someone like Chris Paul (Hornets are shopping Chandler and the team is getting worst). If we could do this trade after sign Lebron and Bosh... Paul, Lee, Lebron, Bosh and Lopez. Can i dream? lol

[enetric]

How about three studs next summer. Sign two...and S&T with Harris+ for the third....

Or just sign two studs, keep Harris, and still have the three studs. Harris is such a good player. I think he's getting thrown into trade proposals far too often. Obviously I'd move him in the right deal, but I don't think the right deal even (or ever will) exists. Honestly, I don't expect to get any big FAs next year. MAYBE they somehow can trade for Amare, but that's about it. But, if the unthinkable happened and they actually got LBJ/Bosh, I'd love to have Harris with them. Won't happen but wow, the team would be so good.

I dont think Harris is "such" a good player withe the emphasis on the gush. He is good. But I would trade him in a heartbeat in the right deal. Would love to see him get the POINT guard end of his game more...and I would love to see him stay healthy.

But...I would trade up using him as part of the package in a heartbeat. Not a problem. Gifted player but not blown away by him by any means.

[enetric]

I wish this were true, but it's not.
The team is hemmoraging money and has been for years now.
The Nets were always a team that lost money, but even in the pre-Kidd days the Nets were "only" losing around 10 mill a year, in the Finals years we made some money, the next year they about broke even, but as soon as Ratner bought them they started losing a ton of money, just bleeding money like a depressed cutter.
He's a terrible owner and he literally alienated a huge chunk of our fanbase, whether diehards like ourselves like to admit it or not.
I mean I have a lot of friends that are sports fans that kind of fairweatherd it through the Kidd years that stopped paying attention after the 1st three seasons, but I also have a few friends that were real deal Nets fans from the Kenny/Coleman days to the Kidd years that literally felt so fouled and dusgusted when Ratner bought the team that they literally stopped watching basketball altogether, except some sparatic playoff games. They didn't even switch teams(which honestly would have been the low road, fair weather, fake fan thing to do anyway), they just stopped watching basketball, well at least NBA basketball, a few of them got back into NCAA hoops more then they had been since they were teenagers.
This team has been losing 20 to 30 million dollars per year for the last 3 or 4 seasons!!!!
That's including a couple of 2nd round playoff runs.
VC was gone if it was just for salary cuts to make it easier to sell the team if necessary and to cut some losses even if not. Build the team through the draft, but not because it's the smart basketball decision, even if it is, but because it's the cheap way to stay afloat and have a chance.

This is an absurd post. To put any of this on Ratner in that pattern is absolutely backwards. He bought the team with the midnset of moving the team. That cloud and not his direction of the team is what lost some of the fan base....period. He hasnt gotten in the way of basketball operations as far as i can see...Rod has made the moves he has wanted to make...everyone got big contracts under him...trades were made....and moves were done where had things broken right...we very easily could have been the team to land a Gasol or a KG. Nenad's injury was a HUGE blow to forward growth and possible trades. But the financial losses were a result of an owner who continued to invest in his product. you cant have it both ways. You want a quality team in a crap ass market? And then blame it on the guy investing hige payroll IN that crap ass market? That isnt on him..its the indictment that again proves...JERSEY IS SMALL TIME for an NBA market.


Ratner has been about the big picture the long term. You have to break a few eggs if you want to make an omlette. Brooklyn was always going to be tough on exisiting fan support. But what you are pinning on the guy here is nonsense. Best owner this team has had in the last 25 years. The fact that he didnt say sell every contract when we started to lose money is what you should judge the guy on. He let Rod have his shot...and Rod is the one who saw...time to rebuld. Ratner never closed to window too early...and that is all you can ask for as a fan. Give us a chance with payroll and he did.

And if we ever get to Brooklyn and he survives all of this? Hopefully he will contiue on that path. If so you are looking at Steinbrenner. Who was absolutely hated for years...but eventually people finallly got it. The man kept investing back in his product. Well, Brooklyn should more than repace the poor fanbase of jersey hopefully and then perhaps we will really have something.

[vincecarter4pres]

Maybe I came down on him a little too hard, but let's not make him out to be this big spender. He has habitually had a team payroll in the bottom 5 of the league, one of the major reasons we always had a super suspect bench. I'm not saying he should have blindly thrown around money like Dolan and Zeke, but bottom 5 is bottom 5. He made sure that Rod never made a bunch of smaller trades that took on salary to bolster the bench and he never went after the correct full MLE guys with the exception of SARS, and even though that blew up in our face due to SARs broke down knees, they basically through the towel in after that and didn't go after anyone else of impact, let alone the way Rod publicly handled that couldn't have come across as endearing to other players.
It was pretty obvious that VC was a flatout godfather deal that Rod told Ratner he couldn't turn down as well, let's not cloud things. The contracts we sent out meant the payroll barely went up what so ever before VC inked an extension, it was a no brainer trade with pretty much no risk. The risk would have been people finding out it was turned down on Ratners dime.
It's not like we sent out a bunch of expirings and awesome prospects that wound up costing Ratner, we sent out 2 and 3 year deals and VC's ticket and merchandise draw alone made up for any small amount of additional salary over the course of his contract, I mean dude was still in his absolute prime and we sent out uber overpaid bench scrubs such as Eric Williams on a 2 year 9 mill deal, Mourning in his last basketball days on the 2nd season of a 4 year 18 million dollar deal, Aaron freaking Williams on the 2nd year of a 3 season deal for like 3 mill a season, look it up, it was one of the literal worst and one sided trades in NBA history. To turn that deal down would have literally been a horrible business decision, not basketball, let's not give credit where it isn't due.

[enetric]

Maybe I came down on him a little too hard, but let's not make him out to be this big spender. He has habitually had a team payroll in the bottom 5 of the league, one of the major reasons we always had a super suspect bench. I'm not saying he should have blindly thrown around money like Dolan and Zeke, but bottom 5 is bottom 5. He made sure that Rod never made a bunch of smaller trades that took on salary to bolster the bench and he never went after the correct full MLE guys with the exception of SARS, and even though that blew up in our face due to SARs broke down knees, they basically through the towel in after that and didn't go after anyone else of impact, let alone the way Rod publicly handled that couldn't have come across as endearing to other players.
It was pretty obvious that VC was a flatout godfather deal that Rod told Ratner he couldn't turn down as well, let's not cloud things. The contracts we sent out meant the payroll barely went up what so ever before VC inked an extension, it was a no brainer trade with pretty much no risk. The risk would have been people finding out it was turned down on Ratners dime.
It's not like we sent out a bunch of expirings and awesome prospects that wound up costing Ratner, we sent out 2 and 3 year deals and VC's ticket and merchandise draw alone made up for any small amount of additional salary over the course of his contract, I mean dude was still in his absolute prime and we sent out uber overpaid bench scrubs such as Eric Williams on a 2 year 9 mill deal, Mourning in his last basketball days on the 2nd season of a 4 year 18 million dollar deal, Aaron freaking Williams on the 2nd year of a 3 season deal for like 3 mill a season, look it up, it was one of the literal worst and one sided trades in NBA history. To turn that deal down would have literally been a horrible business decision, not basketball, let's not give credit where it isn't due.

Your response is almost as flawed and absurd as the last thing you wrote.

First off...we were consitantly over the cap and just under the LTT the first what? 4 years he wads here. and most seasons we stsarted off over the LT and Rod trimmed it before the deadline.

As for VC...your reaction that was just goofy. We decided to commit the resourses we didnt give Kmart to VC...that simple. Rod had the green light from Ratner...thats all you vcan ask.

SAR to sign him or to back out Rod's call.


Further moves...all tired...all failed. so no idea what you are blaming him for.

Rod did not throw bad money after additional players. But you did see under Ratner...all our exisitng guys get new contracts...big contracts. if he was being cheap...why do that? Why not let guys walk.


We never got the chance to land our guy through trade. as free AGENCY? dID YOU JUST LEANR WHAT PLAYING IN nj IS ALL ABOUT? why do you think i want to move so badly???

wHEN Rogers is the best free agent you have ever signed in team history...it sums it all up.


Ratner has done all anyone can ask...and you are nuts to blame him the way you are. This is not on his shoulders. The guy has lost a fotrtune trying to get this team to a better market...and still reinvested in the current product and yet you want to blame him for both the team losing money and NOT spending enough. Do you realize what a fool you sound like?

[LF91]

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone knows how much of Dooling's and Najera's contract are guaranteed assuming they're waived next summer?

[Preludepunk27]

From what I read, Doolin has a $500,000 buyout the next 2 summers. Najera's contract has a bigger buy out. It's almost his entire contract. Like $1.5 mill next year and $2 mill the summer after that. Something along those lines. I know it's not fully guaranteed but it's like 65-70% I think.

[LF91]

Allright, thanks.