This team reminds me of...

[crazykidd2k6]

You should look up how few guys in the last 10 years have averaged 20-10-2.

Why dont you take a list of established bigs in the NBA right now...forget Tim Duncan, or Shaq or KG as that these are top 25 all time NBA players. Lets even leave Dirk aside who doesnt get those numbers balance wise.

Pull up just the good bigs in the league. West, Gasol types. And see what it is you are really predicting here.

Let me ask...ho do you think will have the better career...Blake Griffin of Lopez?

Beasley or Lopez?

Because these guys will struggle to get these numbers.

So basically we are comparing him to David Lee, Elton Brand, Chris Bosh, Okafor, Boozer, Aldridge, Jefferson, Bynum, Biedrin, Amare, Chandler, Pau, West, JO Dwight, Yao, Okur,Randolph, Kaman, Camby. These are the rest of the bigs out there. Lets see, lets take out the bigs that he is clearly better than. D. Lee, Aldridge, Biedrin, Chandler, JO, Okur, Randolph, Camby. Then lets take a look of who who he is equal to right now but will eventually pass. Brand(right now), Okafor, JO and Kaman. Now lets take out all the players that Brook clearly is under in. That would be Dwight, Yao, and Bosh. So basically, we are gonna be comparing him to Boozer, Jefferson, Bynum, Amare, Pau, and West. That's a pretty damn good list would you say? All of those players average 20-10 except for Bynum. However I believe Bynum is in exactly the same boat as Brook is.

Why do I believe on Brook so much? Well first off he scored 13 ppg with a very small role in offense and in a small amount of time. He gets most of his score finishing plays and only gets the ball legit 1-3 times a game. So basically what if he was a main part of the offense? I understand he really didn't get the real defense that establish bigs get however, most of his points was finishing points so most of his points was actually legit at least 9-10. After that he is a big man that did not get in the ft line averaging only 2.6 per game. Once he gets more experience and get more touches he'll understand how to take fouls which a usual physical big man gets to the line about 5-7 free throw attempts per game. the fact that he is a very good free throw shooter averaging 80% So thats a big plus for him. The only thing i'm concern with him is creating his own offense. He lacks quickness and that is a big problem however, he doest have good post moves and can use both hands He shouldn't be too bad.. Yet, he doest needs to increase his quickness to become more of a threat. Basically what i'm trying to say here he does have a good chance averaging 18-22 points on a nightly basis. Thats the reason I believe he can be a 20-10-2 guy

[vincecarter4pres]

Brook is not clearly better then Biedrins, Lee, Okur or Aldridge.
He is not on the same level as Brand or Okafor either.
All these guys are currently better then Brook.
There's lttle sense comparing him with power forwards anyway, he's a center through and through, he has absolutely no ability to play power forward what so ever.

[vincecarter4pres]

Career averages:

Biedrins: 8.4/8.2*
Boozer: 16.8/10**
Okur: 13.9/7.2*
Brand: 20/10.1**
Bosh: 19.6/9.1**
Aldridge: 15.4/6.8
J.O.: 14.3/7.6**
Gasol: 18.8/8.7
Odom: 15.1/8.8*
Okafor: 14/10.7*
Garnett: 20.2/11.1**
D. Howard: 17.3/12.5**
Al Horford: 10.8/9.5
Nowitzki: 22.7/8.6
Yao Ming: 19.1/9.3**
Troy Murphy: 11.7/8.4*
Andrew Bogut: 11.8/8.7*
Al Jefferson: 14.9/8.5**
David West: 15.4/7.2
Tyson Chandler: 8.2/9*
David Lee: 10.9/9*
Amar'me Stoudamire: 21.1/8.9
Duncan: 21.4/11.7**
Rasheed: 15.1/7

Just wanted to show you how hard and rare it is to average 20/10.
The players with an asterik have averaged double digit rebounds at least once.
Two asteriks and they averaged 20/10 for at least one season.

[crazykidd2k6]

First off he is better than Lee, Biedrin, Okur and Aldridge All of those players doesn't have complete game whatsoever. D. Lee can't guard anyone or shoot a midrange jumper, Biedrins is basically a faster version of Tyson Chandler, Okur is a horrible defensive player, Aldridge is too weak to guard anyone and is probably has one of the worst rebounding rating. Brook already has a good all around center talent Offensively and Defensively.

He is in the same level as Elton Brand and Okafor. Okafor is a better defensive player but Brook is much more effective on the offensive end. So it balances out. I was comparing Brook with Elton Brand in the LAST 2 YEARS. there Numbers matches pretty well this year.

If you can't compare powerfowards you can't compare Duncan, KG, or Dirk then. Which Enetric put on his top 25 players. that he took out. So what I thought he meant was the general bigs. Anyway they kind of have that same effect in game both PF-C. (except for shooting bigs)

I did not meant that Brook will average 20-10-2 in his career. I'm am not that crazy. What I meant was he will eventually average 20-10-2 in a season. If we are talking about career I see him averaging the same thing as 18 9 2

[enetric]

You should look up how few guys in the last 10 years have averaged 20-10-2.

Why dont you take a list of established bigs in the NBA right now...forget Tim Duncan, or Shaq or KG as that these are top 25 all time NBA players. Lets even leave Dirk aside who doesnt get those numbers balance wise.

Pull up just the good bigs in the league. West, Gasol types. And see what it is you are really predicting here.

Let me ask...ho do you think will have the better career...Blake Griffin of Lopez?

Beasley or Lopez?

Because these guys will struggle to get these numbers.

So basically we are comparing him to David Lee, Elton Brand, Chris Bosh, Okafor, Boozer, Aldridge, Jefferson, Bynum, Biedrin, Amare, Chandler, Pau, West, JO Dwight, Yao, Okur,Randolph, Kaman, Camby. These are the rest of the bigs out there. Lets see, lets take out the bigs that he is clearly better than. D. Lee, Aldridge, Biedrin, Chandler, JO, Okur, Randolph, Camby. Then lets take a look of who who he is equal to right now but will eventually pass. Brand(right now), Okafor, JO and Kaman. Now lets take out all the players that Brook clearly is under in. That would be Dwight, Yao, and Bosh. So basically, we are gonna be comparing him to Boozer, Jefferson, Bynum, Amare, Pau, and West. That's a pretty damn good list would you say? All of those players average 20-10 except for Bynum. However I believe Bynum is in exactly the same boat as Brook is.

Why do I believe on Brook so much? Well first off he scored 13 ppg with a very small role in offense and in a small amount of time. He gets most of his score finishing plays and only gets the ball legit 1-3 times a game. So basically what if he was a main part of the offense? I understand he really didn't get the real defense that establish bigs get however, most of his points was finishing points so most of his points was actually legit at least 9-10. After that he is a big man that did not get in the ft line averaging only 2.6 per game. Once he gets more experience and get more touches he'll understand how to take fouls which a usual physical big man gets to the line about 5-7 free throw attempts per game. the fact that he is a very good free throw shooter averaging 80% So thats a big plus for him. The only thing i'm concern with him is creating his own offense. He lacks quickness and that is a big problem however, he doest have good post moves and can use both hands He shouldn't be too bad.. Yet, he doest needs to increase his quickness to become more of a threat. Basically what i'm trying to say here he does have a good chance averaging 18-22 points on a nightly basis. Thats the reason I believe he can be a 20-10-2 guy

Your perception of what Lopez is and the players you just compared him to...even worse the guys you said he was better than at this time was so absolutely absurd that it makes this conversation silly at this point. I do not have a lot of patience for home bias when its of this extreme. I have to asume you are just a young fan...not too familiar with the game as of yet...and just want to enjoy our team...and dream of exciting possibilities for the future. So? Have at it. Fantasize that we have the next TD...but if you believe he is better at this point of his career than hardly anyone you named...you should probably keep it to yourself. Most knowledgeable fans wil laugh in your face.

Want to predict he wil better someday that some of these guys? Great. But right now you are wildly off the mark.

[enetric]

One more thing....how many of these guys did you find ever exceeded those three numbers all in the same season...in ANY season...ever?

[crazykidd2k6]

Well.. If you think thinking positive is home bias call me that. BTW I didn't say we have the next Tim Duncan. In my old post, I said TD is better than Brook because he is more versatile However Brook will have seasons that he will average 20-10-2. Quote me already, "I crazykidd2k6 believes Brook Lopez will average 20-10-2 at least in his prime years. Quote me in this one too, "I crazykidd2k6 believes Brook Lopez will average 15-16-10-2 next season."

BTW, Pau Gasol did average 20-10-2 and I believe Jefferson will, and Bynum will be close to it. Also Amare can if he didn't get injured. Brook average last year is 13-8-2 in 30 minutes the challenge for him reaching my expectations is scoring. Rebounds and blocks are in the cakes.

I have a question for you how do you think Brook's full potential will be? Chris Kaman? I'm guessing?

Edit: I forgot to mention also.... Almost all of the players in the NBA, talent wise, are very close. Don't you agree. Some players are exceptional from split seconds. This was like my coach from lacrosse. When he was in High School and trying out for running back in football to go to division 1 college. He was cut because his 40 yard dash was 4.6 sec and it wasn't a 4.5 sec. So he ended up going to a division 3 school for football. That is the big difference. What i'm trying to say is most of these players are basically pretty equal and they are not really far off from each other. Especially from nowadays where workouts are so advance that we can work on everything. The real big difference from players is basically experience and confidence. From looking at Brooks personality he is a hard worker, a very confident and humble player which is a recipe for success. Talent wise the things that he is really lacking is quickness and a lil bit more athleticism which he can really work on. Plus, his experience will come. The Nets basically gave him all of the oppurtunities needed to be one of the best.

[SteveNets15]

Brook Lopez 09/10 16-7-2

[crazykidd2k6]

How does he get worst in rebounding? We lost VC one of our better rebounder

[vincecarter4pres]

I have a question for you how do you think Brook's full potential will be? Chris Kaman? I'm guessing?

I think you're missing the point I was trying to make.
I think Brook's potential is out of this world and the reason I find it hard to put a player label on him for career #'s plus style is that not many in the league compare to him style wise and actual body type and position wise, but Duncan is just too good and so much better that I can't directly compare them, although like I said, you can see in older threads that I have called Brook Duncan Lite or a poor man's Duncan. I was actually the one that started that exact label and comparo.
Kaman is overrated, maybe mainly because of his injury history and obvious lack of conditioning.
I think his ceiling is uber higher.
But Brook is certainly not better then Okafor yet, nor a healthy Brand or Andris Beidrins, etc.
Sure he has the potential to be MUCH better, but whether I think he achieves that potential is irrelevant, he is just not currently better then these guys, it's that simple.
Would I trade Brook for any of these guys, or even some of the others that are head and shoulders better, but older? No, but again, that has nothing to do with their current levels.

[crazykidd2k6]

Ok I would agree with you with this. I did agree with you the Duncan lite thing on my older post. He is not better than Okafor, Brand. I do feel they are at the same level If you wanna group players I'm not saying he is as good as them but he is in that same of group of bigs basically its like my tier list. You get what i mean.