Proposal: Paul/West for Harris/Yi/DAL1st

[ecuhus1981]

I wanted to get feedback from Nets fans on this deal.

The ONLY Way I See CP3 in NJ...

We sacrifice over $15mil in '10 salary, but for a team that can at least compete, if not contend.

Feel free to discuss it here, or in the linked thread.

[NJ To BK]

I dont see how we can contend with that lineup? The Hornets are alot deeper than the nets, those two couldnt carry the nets into the playoffs... i think the nets should only start trying to contend again...when they are aiming for the finals...not to get beat early in the playoffs

[vincecarter4pres]

I dont see how we can contend with that lineup? The Hornets are alot deeper than the nets, those two couldnt carry the nets into the playoffs... i think the nets should only start trying to contend again...when they are aiming for the finals...not to get beat early in the playoffs

The Hornets have never been a deep team.
They are CP3, West and a bunch of D-leaguers and retirees.
Straight trash.
On the very sparce occasion when they were half healthy they had an average starting lineup after the two stars coming here in this deal.
They have absurdly overachieved the lasttwo seasons due to the absolute stellar All World play of Chris Paul and they Allstar level play and winning attitude of West.

This trade basically makes NJN an instant contender, but NOH would never think about doing this trade even piss drunk. They aren't shipping out the best point guard in the world and their star power forward while hanging on to the vomit inducing contracts of Peja, Chandler and Mo Pete with no conceptual way to move them, ever.

This trade wreeks of all things trashy lit on fire with a flame thrower for New Orleans...

[BK+LBJ]

Are you kidding???? We are not getting Paul, forget about what we could trade for him. We are also not trading Harris. The only player we are going after this offseason will be Boozer if we don't get him we will just wait till next season to make a deal.

[jeff1624]

Again.. we're not getting paul without giving up brook.

Why would they do this deal?? They get back a lesser PG who's older AND a lesser PF that'll never be as good.. Yeah money could influence them to deal Paul, but, not for what we're offering.

[deviljets7]

Again.. we're not getting paul without giving up brook.

Why would they do this deal?? They get back a lesser PG who's older AND a lesser PF that'll never be as good.. Yeah money could influence them to deal Paul, but, not for what we're offering.

I think it's possible to get Paul without giving up Brook, especially if your including one of TWill/Lee and next year's #1. To get Paul and West without Brook like in the OP is extreme wishful thinking.

[BK+LBJ]

makes no sense to give up twill and harris for paul, or lee and harris for paul. Are you forgetting harris is an allstar and prob the best eastern conf pg??? We dont need to upgrade the pg position, we need to upgrade only pf.
Makes absolutely no sense. We gave up a lot to get Lee cause we think he is going to be a very good player. Anderson showed last year that he will be a double double player in the league for awhile and we got ride of him and Carter for Lee. We have our backcourt for the next 8 years in Harris and Lee.

Right now the Nets are trying to trade for Boozer which makes a lot of sense. I'm curious what type of deal Thorn is offering. I'm hoping it's Yiand draft picks or Yi and Najara.

Harris, Lee, TWill, Boozer, Lopez
Alston, CDR, Hays, Boone, Swat

THAT'S not only a playoff team but a top 4 in the east. Better then Clevland I dont care what anyone says, and I CAN'T HELP TO THINK that James would lovvvvvvvvvve to join that team

[jeff1624]

makes no sense to give up twill and harris for paul, or lee and harris for paul. Are you forgetting harris is an allstar and prob the best eastern conf pg??? We dont need to upgrade the pg position, we need to upgrade only pf.
Makes absolutely no sense. We gave up a lot to get Lee cause we think he is going to be a very good player. Anderson showed last year that he will be a double double player in the league for awhile and we got ride of him and Carter for Lee. We have our backcourt for the next 8 years in Harris and Lee.

Right now the Nets are trying to trade for Boozer which makes a lot of sense. I'm curious what type of deal Thorn is offering. I'm hoping it's Yiand draft picks or Yi and Najara.

Harris, Lee, TWill, Boozer, Lopez
Alston, CDR, Hays, Boone, Swat

THAT'S not only a playoff team but a top 4 in the east. Better then Clevland I dont care what anyone says, and I CAN'T HELP TO THINK that James would lovvvvvvvvvve to join that team

I'm sorry but if they offer Paul for Harris and lee, you do it and run.. Stop overrating our players..

[Preludepunk27]

Again.. we're not getting paul without giving up brook.

Why would they do this deal?? They get back a lesser PG who's older AND a lesser PF that'll never be as good.. Yeah money could influence them to deal Paul, but, not for what we're offering.

Having to give up Harris and Lopez is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. Yes, Chris Paul is incredible, but NO TEAM IN THE NBA WOULD MAKE A TRADE THAT STUPID. I'm willing to give a package of Harris, young guys, picks and expirings for him, but asking for Lopez flat out ends discussions in my book. I'm not even overrating Brook, I just think it's (Please Use More Appropriate Word). I'd give up Harris, CDR, both picks next year, 2011 GSW and an expiring. Seriously, NOBODY can offer (or will offer) something better than that other than maybe OKC.

Brook ends discussions though. We're giving them an all-star, picks, young guys and cap flexibility. They're not getting blood from me though.

[jeff1624]

Again.. we're not getting paul without giving up brook.

Why would they do this deal?? They get back a lesser PG who's older AND a lesser PF that'll never be as good.. Yeah money could influence them to deal Paul, but, not for what we're offering.

Having to give up Harris and Lopez is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. Yes, Chris Paul is incredible, but NO TEAM IN THE NBA WOULD MAKE A TRADE THAT STUPID. I'm willing to give a package of Harris, young guys, picks and expirings for him, but asking for Lopez flat out ends discussions in my book. I'm not even overrating Brook, I just think it's (Please Use More Appropriate Word). I'd give up Harris, CDR, both picks next year, 2011 GSW and an expiring. Seriously, NOBODY can offer (or will offer) something better than that other than maybe OKC.

Brook ends discussions though. We're giving them an all-star, picks, young guys and cap flexibility. They're not getting blood from me though.

I think you're confusing the fact that NO doesn't deal him to us if we don't include Brook, with me actually doing that deal if it were proposed

I wouldn't do it either, I'm just being realistic though. We'd be dealing for the best PG in the NBA, Top 5 player in the league who's just 24 years old. Of course they're gonna ask for an arm and a leg. It's kind of naive to think we'd actually land Paul with CDR being the 2nd best player in the deal.

[treiz]

I have a feeling we'll have to give up more than than Harris/Yi/Dal1st to get both Paul and West. For Paul, it's a lot more realistic

[ecuhus1981]

^

I should have put Terrence Williams in the thread title, but he's a vital part of this deal as well. Also, you have to account for absorbing Posey's contract. He's a good role-player, but his 4 years and $26mil remaining on it make him a negative asset. It makes me think people aren't bothering to follow the link...

Anyway, IMO, Paul = Harris + WIlliams + Hassell

West + Posey = Yi + Simmons + DAL1st

I could see us adding the GSW 1st to sweeten the deal, or possibly even our own '11 1st, but I don't think the value is far off.

And yes, Brook is off the table. He is a 21/10/2/1/2 machine in the making. Dwight Howard is the only person in the NBA who could get me interested in moving Lopez.

[vincecarter4pres]

Again.. we're not getting paul without giving up brook.

Why would they do this deal?? They get back a lesser PG who's older AND a lesser PF that'll never be as good.. Yeah money could influence them to deal Paul, but, not for what we're offering.

Having to give up Harris and Lopez is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. Yes, Chris Paul is incredible, but NO TEAM IN THE NBA WOULD MAKE A TRADE THAT STUPID. I'm willing to give a package of Harris, young guys, picks and expirings for him, but asking for Lopez flat out ends discussions in my book. I'm not even overrating Brook, I just think it's (Please Use More Appropriate Word). I'd give up Harris, CDR, both picks next year, 2011 GSW and an expiring. Seriously, NOBODY can offer (or will offer) something better than that other than maybe OKC.

Brook ends discussions though. We're giving them an all-star, picks, young guys and cap flexibility. They're not getting blood from me though.

Agreed, Harris and Lopez is straight (Please Use More Appropriate Word).
It would be like Portland giving up LMA and Roy for him, if Roy was extended for 4 years at 34 million total and if LMA had 3 years remaining on his rookie deal.
It's not thinking realistic, it's just the complete opposite and equally dumb concept as BK+LBJ saying we shouldn't trade Harris and Lee for Paul if it was available.
The two ends of the spectrum, lol. One is a super homer, overrated the living bajesus out of our players and the other wants to give up a franchise center on a rookie contract and an Allstar young point guard locked up on one of the leagues best contracts when no one in the league would even offer anything close to that no matter who they are trading for not named Lebron.

[jeff1624]

Again.. we're not getting paul without giving up brook.

Why would they do this deal?? They get back a lesser PG who's older AND a lesser PF that'll never be as good.. Yeah money could influence them to deal Paul, but, not for what we're offering.

Having to give up Harris and Lopez is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. Yes, Chris Paul is incredible, but NO TEAM IN THE NBA WOULD MAKE A TRADE THAT STUPID. I'm willing to give a package of Harris, young guys, picks and expirings for him, but asking for Lopez flat out ends discussions in my book. I'm not even overrating Brook, I just think it's (Please Use More Appropriate Word). I'd give up Harris, CDR, both picks next year, 2011 GSW and an expiring. Seriously, NOBODY can offer (or will offer) something better than that other than maybe OKC.

Brook ends discussions though. We're giving them an all-star, picks, young guys and cap flexibility. They're not getting blood from me though.

Agreed, Harris and Lopez is straight (Please Use More Appropriate Word).
It would be like Portland giving up LMA and Roy for him, if Roy was extended for 4 years at 34 million total and if LMA had 3 years remaining on his rookie deal.
It's not thinking realistic, it's just the complete opposite and equally dumb concept as BK+LBJ saying we shouldn't trade Harris and Lee for Paul if it was available.
The two ends of the spectrum, lol. One is a super homer, overrated the living bajesus out of our players and the other wants to give up a franchise center on a rookie contract and an Allstar young point guard locked up on one of the leagues best contracts when no one in the league would even offer anything close to that no matter who they are trading for not named Lebron.

Again.. Did I say I would trade Brook and Devin for Paul?? no..

All I said was that New Orleans wouldn't even talk to us UNLESS we included Brook in the deal which we won't.

Seriously people..

[vincecarter4pres]

But seriously Jeff, NOH, if looking to trade CP3 would actually talk to us if we wouldn't include Brook. It's actually the opposite, Vandethorn wouldn't talk to NOH if Lopez was involved.
They would want salary relief, likely for Peja, they would want a big time player back either with 3 years remaining on a rookie deal or signed to a great contract, which Devin fills the role of.
They would want 1 or 2 draft picks.
They would want another young prospect with massive potential, which Lee or T Will are.
They would want to get under the luxury tax this year, which we can afford to do for them without even coming close to the tax ourselves.
They would want to keep West, because he is likely the key to moving either Mo Pete or Tyson Chandler.
Posey, I strongly believe can be moved on his own for expirings with little to no extra incentive on NOH's part.

[jeff1624]

If we were to trade for paul we'd definitely have to take back Posey and Chandler or Stojakovic.

It would have to look something like

Devin Harris
Tony Battie
Trenton hassell
Rafer Alston
Bobby Simmons
+ Draft picks etc

for

Chris Paul
Peja Stojakovic
James Posey

Since I don't see ANYONE talking about relieving them of their financial problems(the ONLY reason they would be willing to deal Paul in the first place) by trading our expirings for their bad contracts in addition to Paul, No way do we get Paul for just Harris and a few draft picks..

[vincecarter4pres]

If we were to trade for paul we'd definitely have to take back Posey and Chandler or Stojakovic.

It would have to look something like

Devin Harris
Tony Battie
Trenton hassell
Rafer Alston
Bobby Simmons
+ Draft picks etc

for

Chris Paul
Peja Stojakovic
James Posey

Since I don't see ANYONE talking about relieving them of their financial problems(the ONLY reason they would be willing to deal Paul in the first place) by trading our expirings for their bad contracts in addition to Paul, No way do we get Paul for just Harris and a few draft picks..

No, I completely agree with you and I even said myself this trade is ridiculous for them.
I just thought it crazy to think we would have to add in Brook Lopez.
I don't know if we would have to take back Posey and Chandler or Peja though.
Definitely one of Chandler or Peja, and I think more likely Peja, because if NOH gets stuck with any bad contracts after a Paul trade, I think they would rather have it be a 20 something year old center with some serious injury concerns then a 30 something year old wing scorer with the back of a 70 year old iron worker.
I don't think Posey would be a deal breaker though, I still think he can be flipped for a pure useless expiring to another playoff team or contender and if it had to be us to reflip him, so be it.

[treiz]

^

I should have put Terrence Williams in the thread title, but he's a vital part of this deal as well. Also, you have to account for absorbing Posey's contract. He's a good role-player, but his 4 years and $26mil remaining on it make him a negative asset. It makes me think people aren't bothering to follow the link...

Anyway, IMO, Paul = Harris + WIlliams + Hassell

West + Posey = Yi + Simmons + DAL1st

I could see us adding the GSW 1st to sweeten the deal, or possibly even our own '11 1st, but I don't think the value is far off.

And yes, Brook is off the table. He is a 21/10/2/1/2 machine in the making. Dwight Howard is the only person in the NBA who could get me interested in moving Lopez.

Yup, I was about to mention maybe add in a Najera or Dooling instead of Williams, depending on whether they'd want the contract or a young player, since taking Posey would be us doing them a favor.

I like the deall for Paul, I think that's pretty realistic, but I think we might have to give them another pick(2nd round I think would be fair) in the West+Posey deal.