Alston and Dooling

theman · Post #1 » by **theman** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:56 pm

NJ seems stacked (so to speak) at the point guard position. Harris is obvious the starter. Then there is Dooling and Alston and according to an earlier post Yi :lol:

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So one has to wonder if either Alston or Dooling would be available in trade. Alston is an expiring so something of value would have to come back to the Nets. Dooling has a couple years left so could he be had in a salary dump? Am I save in assuming Alston is the first guard off the bench?

Would any of the following be appealing to Nets fans.

Brian Scalabrine and Bill Walker for Alston

Scalabrine for Dooling

Scalabrine and Tony Allen for Dooling and Sean Williams

Scalabrine, Allen, Walker for Dooling, Najera, and GSW first

That last one would be the first offer from the Celtics as a jumping off point.

Revolutionistt · Post #2 » by **Revolutionistt** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:05 pm

Please dont ever offer scalabrine to us for anybody on our roster. I wouldnt trade the shoe laces on eduardo najeras sneakers for veal.

NJ To BK · Post #3 » by **NJ To BK** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:26 pm

haha thank you..trying to give us the branie...been there done that.

S.K

62245 · Post #4 » by **62245** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:32 pm

dooling will probably be traded before the season starts

Preludepunk27 · Post #5 » by **Preludepunk27** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:47 pm

Actually, I'd do Scalabrine for Najera every second of the day. Veal, though pretty terrible, I still love the kid (mainly because I have NO CLUE how he's been in the league almost a decade now) but also because he can play the 4 and 5 for a few minutes and he's an expiring.

Also, I an 95% sure we will keep both Dooling and Alston until possibly the deadline. Last year all our coaching staff and management talked about was our lack of depth at the PG. If Harris or Dooling went down, we were screwed and Vince and CDR became our 2nd string PG's. Now if one goes down, Twill or CDR will likely be our 3rd string which makes me more comfortable. I could totally see us keeping Dooling and Alston all season too, but if CDR or Twill progress during the season well, I could see us shopping on of them at the deadline because we'd be comfortable with our ballhandlers. I do want to think about moving either Dooling or Alston before the season unless one of them are packaged WITH Najera for a 1 expiring contract.

S.I.C. GM · Post #6 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:57 pm

I would do a veal for Najera.

I am not for trading Dooling.

Anyway, unless we get back a PG, we are not trading Alston. We may trade him before the trading deadline once Dooling has shown he has recovered and Twill shows us his Point F skills.

SteveNets15 · Post #7 » by **SteveNets15** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:00 pm

OT: Rasual Butler is going to the Clippers don't no for who yet.Carlos Delfino might be going to the Bucks,he's waiting to see if Russia will pay him more. Aaron Gray is staying with the Bulls.

Preludepunk27 · Post #8 » by **Preludepunk27** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:58 pm

I think it says on the main page Rasual to the Clippers for a 2nd rounder. Nice to see NOH trimming salary after taking on Okafor's big contract.

SteveNets15 · Post #9 » by **SteveNets15** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:08 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:I think it says on the main page Rasual to the Clippers for a 2nd rounder. Nice to see NOH trimming salary after taking on Okafor's big contract.

Yea my friend was texing me while it was happening and she wasn't sure.It popped up on espn a few minutes later.I haven't read anything about Delfino yet but my friend was sure he was going to the Bucks unless this russian team blessed him with a bigger contract.

Preludepunk27 · Post #10 » by **Preludepunk27** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:48 pm

I actually think that's a decent move for the Bucks if the nab him. I'm praying one of these days I see on the bottom line: "New Jersey Nets agree to trade F Eduardo Najera to ::insert team here:: for a trade exemption and protected future 2nd round pick."

I honestly think Najera would be great on the Spurs. Do they have a TE?

jeff1624 · Post #11 » by **jeff1624** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:53 pm

I'd rather keep Dooling even though he derails our 2010 plans a bit with his contract/500K buyout. He was awesome for us last season and he was very vocal in a postive way. Now that Vince is gone, he along with Harris could lead this team.

Trade Alston...

vincecarter4pres · Post #12 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:55 pm

Delfino is crazy overrated...

vincecarter4pres · Post #13 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:58 pm

Jeff, Dooling had a career year here, he's likely hit his peak and it is questionable if he can keep up this level of play without Vince by his side making him look better.
I wouldn't pawn off Dooling for junk, but if it got rid of Najera or brought in a piece for the future, such as a draft pick or solid player with at least 2 seasons left on a rookie deal, you do it.

deviljets7 · Post #14 » by **deviljets7** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:03 pm

theman wrote:NJ seems stacked (so to speak) at the point guard position. Harris is obvious the starter. Then there is Dooling and Alston and according to an earlier post Yi .

So one has to wonder if either Alston or Dooling would be available in trade. Alston is an expiring so something of value would have to come back to the Nets. Dooling has a couple years left so could he be had in a salary dump? Am I save in assuming Alston is the first guard off the bench?

Would any of the following be appealing to Nets fans.

Brian Scalabrine and Bill Walker for Alston

Scalabrine for Dooling

Scalabrine and Tony Allen for Dooling and Sean Williams

Scalabrine, Allen, Walker for Dooling, Najera, and GSW first

That last one would be the first offer from the Celtics as a jumping off point.

Reviewing the deals:

1. I don't know much about Walker, but considering we already have Lee, Terrence Williams and CDR at the wings (plus vets like Simmons and Hayes), I'd look to see what other option are out there first.

2. Definitely decline it. Dooling has a team option for 2010/11 with a $500K buyout so he's practically an expiring. While it'd be nice to avoid paying the 500K buyout, that alone is not enough incentive for NJ.

3. Definitely decline, with the wings on the roster (as stated above), Allen likely wouldn't play for us.

4. Would probably decline this deal, but it's not too terrible.

deviljets7 · Post #15 » by **deviljets7** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:05 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Jeff, Dooling had a career year here, he's likely hit his peak and it is questionable if he can keep up this level of play without Vince by his side making him look better.
I wouldn't pawn off Dooling for junk, but if it got rid of Najera or brought in a piece for the future, such as a draft pick or solid player with at least 2 seasons left on a rookie deal, you do it.

Agreed.

If you're not going to pick up his 2010/11 option (probably won't for cap reasons), then you might as well try to trade him and avoid the unnecessary $500K charge for declining the option.

Rockice_8 · Post #16 » by **Rockice_8** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:57 am

jeff1624 wrote:I'd rather keep Dooling even though he derails our 2010 plans a bit with his contract/500K buyout. He was awesome for us last season and he was very vocal in a postive way. Now that Vince is gone, he along with Harris could lead this team.

Trade Alston...

We have enough cap space we don't need to dump Dooling why does everyone keep thinking that. His contract isn't that big and we to keep some good veterans on our team. Keep Dooling and Alston unless someone blows us away with an offer. Najara for a 2nd is the only deal I would like to move on right now.

Preludepunk27 · Post #17 » by **Preludepunk27** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:17 pm

^^^ Agreed. Yes, $500K is $500K but moving Najera's contract is a more pressing issue. If we move Nareja's we're basically good to go for next summer, but moving Dooling is more or less an afterthought once we ship Najera out of town.

jeff1624 · Post #18 » by **jeff1624** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:33 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Jeff, Dooling had a career year here, he's likely hit his peak and it is questionable if he can keep up this level of play without Vince by his side making him look better.
I wouldn't pawn off Dooling for junk, but if it got rid of Najera or brought in a piece for the future, such as a draft pick or solid player with at least 2 seasons left on a rookie deal, you do it.

Dooling is the better shooter, defender, knows his role and he's a leader. Something that could really help this young team. Sure Carter helped him a bit last year, but really, who DIDN'T benefit from VC.

Alston played 29 minutes for the Magic and he was still bitching about playing time. What makes you think he's not gonna complain here, a lottery team filled with 20 year olds. Besides Alston sucks, terrible defender, shoots 38% for his career and doesn't hesitate on taking ill advised threes whenever he feels like it.

vincecarter4pres · Post #19 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:44 pm

Dooling had a career year and it just so happens a lot of players do playing next to VC.
I love Doolings defense and personality, plus his scoring abilities, but he's more of a 2 guard in a point guard's body and he ball dominates, pounding the rock into the floor a lot of the time on offense whenever he is in as the actual point guard.

Also look at his career stats. He has only had maybe 3 really good seasons and 1 was last and he has never had a season as efficient as that, sounds a little like Mikki Moore.

The point is, we could make a better pick up with the 3 mill owed to him after this season, so if you can recieve positive future return for him right now, and he is not in the future plans anyway, why wouldn't you.

I also understand about Alston, but he's a lot better then you're giving him credit for as an overall player, even though I do agree with your listed shortcomings.
The minutes thing is a spin you're putting on it and you know it. He never bitched until Jammer came back and Van Gundy ruined the chemistry of the team and the flow of the game. There was no reason to ruch Nelson back if at all, they were fine without him.
Where I will agree with you is he might bitch if he doesn't get his minutes here, this year.
Then again, he has to be on his best behavior if he wants one last solid 3 year contract and/or wants to get traded to a contender at the deadline.

I would say trade both of them if possible, just make sure we get back a solid backup point guard in return as part of the package.

I do agree with others that have said the focus should be on dealing Najera though, but it is going to take at least the GS pick or a heavily protected 1st, maybe the Dallas top 20 protected, that's just how the NBA works, you're not getting rid of him for a 2nd rounder.

Lastly to add to that, I am not trying to make a campaign to trade Dooling or put him on the block, nor do I dislike him as a player, what I am saying is if there is a deal on the table that ultimately makes the team better, both short term and long term, you do it.