Carter, Anderson Traded For Lee, Battie, and Alston

[NEM]

i used to always say lee will be a star. he was my favorite player last season. now that my homer glasses have been taken off, i think he will be a very good player in his career. kind of like that glue guy. he wont average A LOT of points, but will get his. i see him putting up between 17 and 21. the rip hamilton comparison is great i think. he wont ever be a superstar (i hope he will, but chances are he wont), but he will be that guy that can get you over the hump. he will be a very good player

i said a couple of months ago to a buddy of mine, finally the magic made a good draft choice not named dwight, or shaquille, and he said watch them trade him. to that i said, there's no way unless we're getting a star in return. looks like i was right. otis didnt wanna include him cause he knows court's potential, but it had to be done. he is my favorite non magic player and i will always follow him to see how he's doing.

treat him well jersey, he will be awesome for you

[jerseyjac]

D'Alessandro on Thorn's Dumping...

After hearing the news and throwing up in my mouth, I couldnt remember where I read it first while I was on my honeymoon...anyway, point being, I couldn't of said it better myself...

I never really had a chance to express my feelings on the Vince trade...I've read through this entire thread, and saw some of the same reaction or more confusion intially...but all I know is I wished we pulled the trigger on the some of the trades that were talked about in 2008...or at least of waited out for Dec-Feb 2009...Mix feelings have been recently expressed on Realgm ...

Picking Up The Pieces After The Carter Trade

Dissecting The 2009 Offeason

(I will also link these to the appropriate sticky threads...)

[S.I.C. GM]

Jac, dont worry. I think you are going to be surprised. This team isnt as bad as people are making out to be.

It is all up to Frank now. Does he continue his stupid coaching? Does he finally uses his players the way he is suppose to? You know he is going to change the offense. Will he evaluate what he has in players and create the offense that works for the team and not one player?

Anyway most likely Frank f's Up and we get a high draft pick.

I like Lee. Heis going to be our new Kittles with the potential to be a better scorer. Harris is going to be a Kidd-ish. Of course Harris is a better scorer. Kidd was a better rebounder. I doubt Harris' assists match Kidds but they will be close. Yi will be our new KVH with the potential to be better. Twill will be our new RJ with a better all around game. He also seems to have the attitude.

Then there is Lopez. We have never had a C. Lopez is far beyond Mac, Collins and Deke. Lopez is going to be a very good player.

Only thing that we are missing is a K-Mart. I am still wishing the Swat can emerge as half of K-mart, the defensive and shot blocking side. I see the kid has heart but he is still immature. I have no problem with him destroying the locker room or what he did in the D league, but the incident at the Store is a tough thing to swallow. Hopefully Kiki, Thorn, and anger management counselor can figure out what his issue is.

So I look forward to this season. The thing I am waiting for is when and if FRANK gets the AX.

[jerseyjac]

I always share the same optimism you have in regards to the players we have...I'm just concerned if we're headed in the direction we think we are...IMO, the top 3 FAs are untouchable, but I would love to land J. Johnson and Boozer and call it a day...that would be a nice team capable of some nice damage in the EC...

Harris
Johnson
YI
Boozer
Lopez

[Preludepunk27]

I always share the same optimism you have in regards to the players we have...I'm just concerned if we're headed in the direction we think we are...IMO, the top 3 FAs are untouchable, but I would love to land J. Johnson and Boozer and call it a day...that would be a nice team capable of some nice damage in the EC...

Harris
Johnson
YI
Boozer
Lopez

I'm hoping the roster of young guys we have will be strong enough to land someone.

Question for everyone though, if we nabbed the #1 pick, you think that improves our chances on a top 3 FA? Would you dangle that pick with some other future picks in front of Clevelands face if management didn't believe we had the chance of nabbing Lebron outright? I'm just curious. Or do you think having the #1 pick, 3 solid young studs (Harris/Lee/Lopez) and 3 potential guys with a high ceiling (Twill/CDR/Yi) would be enough to convince a top 3 to come to the Nets? I really think #1 changes things. Hell with the kids scheduled to come out I think having a top 3 pick changes things, which is why I'm hoping we remain competitive yet lose A LOT this season.

[jerseyjac]

I always share the same optimism you have in regards to the players we have...I'm just concerned if we're headed in the direction we think we are...IMO, the top 3 FAs are untouchable, but I would love to land J. Johnson and Boozer and call it a day...that would be a nice team capable of some nice damage in the EC...

Harris
Johnson
YI
Boozer
Lopez

I'm hoping the roster of young guys we have will be strong enough to land someone.

Question for everyone though, if we nabbed the #1 pick, you think that improves our chances on a top 3 FA? Would you dangle that pick with some other future picks in front of Clevelands face if management didn't believe we had the chance of nabbing Lebron outright? I'm just curious. Or do you think having the #1 pick, 3 solid young studs (Harris/Lee/Lopez) and 3 potential guys with a high ceiling (Twill/CDR/Yi) would be enough to convince a top 3 to come to the Nets? I really think #1 changes things. Hell with the kids scheduled to come out I think having a top 3 pick changes things, which is why I'm hoping we remain competitive yet lose A LOT this season.

I'm dangling the #1 pick big time...I like C. Lee a lot...but he's not a stud yet and has a lot to prove with the Nets, despite the great playoffs he had...

CDR's stock has gone up, shown some signs this summer, but I dunno if I would say he has a high ceiling...needs to contribute in big games for the Nets on regular basis for me to bump up his ceiling...

again, you have to peg someone at #1...still not convinced the draft has been all that strong...who are we talking about as possible #1's...

[S.I.C. GM]

I always share the same optimism you have in regards to the players we have...I'm just concerned if we're headed in the direction we think we are...IMO, the top 3 FAs are untouchable, but I would love to land J. Johnson and Boozer and call it a day...that would be a nice team capable of some nice damage in the EC...

Harris
Johnson
YI
Boozer
Lopez

Jac, if Boozer wants $10m+, I would rather draft a young PF in this upcoming draft and take my chances.

If Lee shows me what I think he can do, I would also stay away from Johnson for $10m+. I would rather let the young guys grow then over pay for 2nd Tier FAs.

As for #1 pick next year, if we land those, there are only a handful of players I would trade those picks for. If Lebron, Bosh, Wade, Paul, and a few here and there say - I want to go to NJ, then yes. Anything else, I am keeping that pick.

[S.I.C. GM]

I think a lot of people are going to be impressed with our young team.

Will that change their minds to come here? I really doubt it. The only way I would see a BIG FA come here is if we upset some teams in the playoffs and maybe to go ECF. I would be happy to see that, but I really doubt we are that good and the would hurt us on the draft.

[jerseyjac]

I always share the same optimism you have in regards to the players we have...I'm just concerned if we're headed in the direction we think we are...IMO, the top 3 FAs are untouchable, but I would love to land J. Johnson and Boozer and call it a day...that would be a nice team capable of some nice damage in the EC...

Harris
Johnson
YI
Boozer
Lopez

Jac, if Boozer wants $10m+, I would rather draft a young PF in this upcoming draft and take my chances.

If Lee shows me what I think he can do, I would also stay away from Johnson for $10m+. I would rather let the young guys grow then over pay for 2nd Tier FAs.

As for #1 pick next year, if we land those, there are only a handful of players I would trade those picks for. If Lebron, Bosh, Wade, Paul, and a few here and there say - I want to go to NJ, then yes. Anything else, I am keeping that pick.

I agree that would be overpaying...I'm predicting some of those 2nd tier FAs price tags to come back down to earth...Boozer, definitely, with injuries and all does not demand that kind of money nor do I want him on this team for 10mil/yr...Johnson I like a lot and derserves some serious consideration, but I wont overpay for him either...

and hell yeh, you dangle the pick for those guys...

[vincecarter4pres]

I would want Greg Monroe or Evan Turner as of now in the draft.
I know little about the upcoming freshmans though, I will admit that.
Maybe a guy like Cousins, Wall, Henry or one of the others really becomes the standout of the upcoming class, cause you never know, but I LOVE Monroe and Turner's game.
I see this team as a likely 7th to 9th pick team, that maybe gets lucky and gets bumped up to a top 3.
I think when it is all said and done, Turner is a top 5 pick and Monroe is anywhere between the number one overall and as low as the 10th, I figure more likely around the 4th to 7th.

If we were to say miss out on the big 3 FA's, which we likely would, I draft one of Monroe or Turner and S&T for Rudy Gay if it's Monroe as long as we keep Terrence Williams. Maybe for Lee and the GSW pick. If we go with Turner I guess we go after the Booz if Yi looks more like a 6xth man, or maybe just use some of our chips and the Dallas pick to move up a bunch of spaces and nab a guy like Monroe or Ed Davis if they slip to the late lotto or just move up a few spots and go with Patrick Patterson. Next year's draft is likely to be as strong or likely even stronger and deeper then the 2008 draft, which is kind of scary in a sense, but means a lot of instant impact studs with major high long term potential will be available.
The 08 draft and this coming draft are going to be the drafts that wound up forming the shape of the NBA in about 5 to 6 years, in my opinion they will be that good.

[Preludepunk27]

I would want Greg Monroe or Evan Turner as of now in the draft.
I know little about the upcoming freshmans though, I will admit that.
Maybe a guy like Cousins, Wall, Henry or one of the others really becomes the standout of the upcoming class, cause you never know, but I LOVE Monroe and Turner's game.
I see this team as a likely 7th to 9th pick team, that maybe gets lucky and gets bumped up to a top 3.
I think when it is all said and done, Turner is a top 5 pick and Monroe is anywhere between the number one overall and as low as the 10th, I figure more likely around the 4th to 7th.

If we were to say miss out on the big 3 FA's, which we likely would, I draft one of Monroe or Turner and S&T for Rudy Gay if it's Monroe as long as we keep Terrence Williams. Maybe for Lee and the GSW pick. If we go with Turner I guess we go after the Booz if Yi looks more like a 6xth man, or maybe just use some of our chips and the Dallas pick to move up a bunch of spaces and nab a guy like Monroe or Ed Davis if they slip to the late lotto or just move up a few spots and go with Patrick Patterson. Next year's draft is likely to be as strong or likely even stronger and deeper then the 2008 draft, which is kind of scary in a sense, but means a lot of instant impact studs with major high long term potential will be available.
The 08 draft and this coming draft are going to be the drafts that wound up forming the shape of the NBA in about 5 to 6 years, in my opinion they will be that good.

Whoever takes Evan Turner is gonna love life. That kid is a flat out stud. I've been saying that (I know you have to) for the past year. If we're not sold on Yi by the end of the season I could see Greg Monroe getting a look from us since he will be sick too. It's just interesting since we such a damn young team. I can't pinpoint what we're gonna do draft wise.

Ed Davis is an overrated piece of garbage though. I know no idea how he got blown out of proportion like he has been. He won't be anything more than a bench player in the NBA.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm not too sold on Davis either, but I don't think he's garbage. Thinking a solid starter that puts up around 12 and 8 in like 30mpg with a couple blocks most of his career, but not instantly at that level.
Kind of like Chris Wilcox with defense and who winds up more consistent.

[vincecarter4pres]

I was talking about Ed Davis from UNC.

[cedric76]

what stats do u expect from lee next season?

[Preludepunk27]

what stats do u expect from lee next season?

Well he's our starting 2 guard, so I'd hope between 13-17ppg in that range. He is a 2nd year player so I'm trying to be realistic. Anything above that and I'll be PUMPED. Devin is gonna get somewhere in the 20s and I'm banking on Brook and Lee to combine for 30-35 points each night at least. Everyone else is a toss up right now that will progress during the season, but I think we need at least 50-55 points a game combined from these 3 guys in some capacity.

[jerseyjac]

what stats do u expect from lee next season?

Well he's our starting 2 guard, so I'd hope between 13-17ppg in that range. He is a 2nd year player so I'm trying to be realistic. Anything above that and I'll be PUMPED. Devin is gonna get somewhere in the 20s and I'm banking on Brook and Lee to combine for 30-35 points each night at least. Everyone else is a toss up right now that will progress during the season, but I think we need at least 50-55 points a game combined from these 3 guys in some capacity.

I would love to see Lee in that range...but I'll start with 12pts a game...Devin at 23-25pts and Lopez @15-17pts...but Brook is too talented to not avg 20pts, he just has to stay consistent...again, depends on how and where he gets the ball in the post and how aggressive he is...I'm really looking forward to watching a two man game inside-outside combo of Lopez and Devin... while spreading the floor...