When? How?

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't know that Melo would bring back much in trade at the deadline if he hasn't signed an extension and that's the only way they're going to look to trade him anyway.

Look at the types of offers Toronto was getting for Bosh, Utah was getting for Boozer and Phoenix was getting for Amar'e at the deadline because of their impending UFA.

[enetric]

So your saying...take Peja rather than Okacrap so he comes of the cap and try to make a free agent run? Its a great idea except....I think Melo takes the extension rather than hit free agency. I think if he doesnt....Denver will look to deal him...so? Trade for him or dont get him.

Thus...can we get Granger for Devin without giving up Favors or Lopez to me seems to be the key. Say Devin and Twill. I know at least VC4P felt that at some point he could see the price for Granger dropping. Be it because of George....or a strong need for a PG and a chance to fill another need.

Can you get Paul sending Outlaw plus Favors..and other pieces leaving enough cap space to absorb Okacrap? That was my thought. Basically...you have to come with a match for Okacrap's contract and you are there....since we have about enough space to absorb Paul. I happen to think NO doesnt want Devi anyway. i think if they deal they would prefer to just go with Collison.

So Outlaw/Favors....draft picks and a chance to dump their worst contract. Do they want an additional prospect?

Right now this is all hard to imagine. But if Outlaw plays well for example?

Its of course possible to envision.

Paul
Morrow
Granger
Okacrap
Brook


Out:
Devin
Twill
Favors
Outalw
Picks
???? Lee? Morrow? Farmar?

[jerseyjac]

So your saying...take Peja rather than Okacrap so he comes of the cap and try to make a free agent run? Its a great idea except....I think Melo takes the extension rather than hit free agency. I think if he doesnt....Denver will look to deal him...so? Trade for him or dont get him.

Thus...can we get Granger for Devin without giving up Favors or Lopez to me seems to be the key. Say Devin and Twill. I know at least VC4P felt that at some point he could see the price for Granger dropping. Be it because of George....or a strong need for a PG and a chance to fill another need.

Can you get Paul sending Outlaw plus Favors..and other pieces leaving enough cap space to absorb Okacrap? That was my thought. Basically...you have to come with a match for Okacrap's contract and you are there....since we have about enough space to absorb Paul. I happen to think NO doesnt want Devi anyway. i think if they deal they would prefer to just go with Collison.

So Outlaw/Favors....draft picks and a chance to dump their worst contract. Do they want an additional prospect?

Right now this is all hard to imagine. But if Outlaw plays well for example?

Its of course possible to envision.

Paul
Morrow
Granger
Okacrap
Brook


Out:
Devin
Twill
Favors
Outalw
Picks
???? Lee? Morrow? Farmar?

I dunno man...risky on paper to me...an injury disaster waiting to happen...I think I rather become Oklahoma City...I know this becomes a plan B type thing, but to swing all this, obviously not easy...I wonder when and if Miky's pocket becomes involved, paying the lux tax is where we would have to go...

I do think the business side of things needs to change fast as far as the Nets making real money by the time we move to Brooklyn (I think we're being naive if we think the botom line doesnt matter to Mik...)

So does he force things to get a serious product on the court or do we take our time...

[60cent]

JJ... I think that is the biggest question we're gonna be facing... Would he force things to get a serious product on the court or do we take our time?

I think at this point of time, i would hardly push for a serious product on the court rather than wait. At least we'd be a lot closer to the goal and a few more tweaks with a line up that E gave as an example we would definitely be in contention. It would look more of a team not just a three headed monster team.

E... I like that line up man... And i think Okafor, even with that bad contract, would be very useful. That contract wouldnt look as bad on a really good team. Eventhough im not as high as some of the guys on Granger, i think he's still a legit threat and on a good team, he may become a better player.

I think it would be easier to sign better players if we have a more competitive team in place, it wont be hard to convince them if it happens. And Mik's money would be more useful and would make much more sense to spend on that kind of team.

... But then again... A part of me still wants to see what will with these young roster and maybe we can make better deals in the future.

Sigh... Its really hard to predict the future. I wish we have a crystal ball.

[enetric]

I don't know that Melo would bring back much in trade at the deadline if he hasn't signed an extension and that's the only way they're going to look to trade him anyway.

Look at the types of offers Toronto was getting for Bosh, Utah was getting for Boozer and Phoenix was getting for Amar'e at the deadline because of their impending UFA.

Agreed...but due to his salary....harder to get him and Paul by trade. Paul and Granger are also hard but MUCH easier by comparison.

[enetric]

So your saying...take Peja rather than Okacrap so he comes of the cap and try to make a free agent run? Its a great idea except....I think Melo takes the extension rather than hit free agency. I think if he doesnt....Denver will look to deal him...so? Trade for him or dont get him.

Thus...can we get Granger for Devin without giving up Favors or Lopez to me seems to be the key. Say Devin and Twill. I know at least VC4P felt that at some point he could see the price for Granger dropping. Be it because of George....or a strong need for a PG and a chance to fill another need.

Can you get Paul sending Outlaw plus Favors..and other pieces leaving enough cap space to absorb Okacrap? That was my thought. Basically...you have to come with a match for Okacrap's contract and you are there....since we have about enough space to absorb Paul. I happen to think NO doesnt want Devi anyway. i think if they deal they would prefer to just go with Collison.

So Outlaw/Favors....draft picks and a chance to dump their worst contract. Do they want an additional prospect?

Right now this is all hard to imagine. But if Outlaw plays well for example?

Its of course possible to envision.

Paul
Morrow
Granger
Okacrap
Brook


Out:
Devin
Twill
Favors
Outalw
Picks
???? Lee? Morrow? Farmar?

I dunno man...risky on paper to me...an injury disaster waiting to happen...I think I rather become Oklahoma City...I know this becomes a plan B type thing, but to swing all this, obviously not easy...I wonder when and if Miky's pocket becomes involved, paying the lux tax is where we would have to go...

I do think the business side of things needs to change fast as far as the Nets making real money by the time we move to Brooklyn (I think we're being naive if we think the botom line doesnt matter to Mik...)

So does he force things to get a serious product on the court or do we take our time...

If you are willing to stay in the lottery for a few years and keep going after our Durant, Wall, Lebron, etc. I can understand that. Hard enough around here trying to convince impatient fans that this is just year one of rebuilding not year 3 of losing.

But with the Heat such a young core of studs...expect to be bad fr years if we are going to shut out trades as a means to get better. Not a lot of top 10-15 players left who might be traded. Looks like Lebron, Wade, Durant, Kobe, Bosh, Gasol, Howard are all settled in for a while. Its a short list of who is left...so if we want to sit tight...expect it to be more of last season for a looooong time.

[enetric]

JJ... I think that is the biggest question we're gonna be facing... Would he force things to get a serious product on the court or do we take our time?

I think at this point of time, i would hardly push for a serious product on the court rather than wait. At least we'd be a lot closer to the goal and a few more tweaks with a line up that E gave as an example we would definitely be in contention. It would look more of a team not just a three headed monster team.

E... I like that line up man... And i think Okafor, even with that bad contract, would be very useful. That contract wouldnt look as bad on a really good team. Eventhough im not as high as some of the guys on Granger, i think he's still a legit threat and on a good team, he may become a better player.

I think it would be easier to sign better players if we have a more competitive team in place, it wont be hard to convince them if it happens. And Mik's money would be more useful and would make much more sense to spend on that kind of team.

... But then again... A part of me still wants to see what will with these young roster and maybe we can make better deals in the future.

Sigh... Its really hard to predict the future. I wish we have a crystal ball.

I dont feel there is a huge difference between Granger and Melo on level of talent. Different styles but both great scores. Granger is one nastly 3 point guy. Both should rebound more. His contract is WAY better than Melo's which should always be factored...talent per dollar value when team building.

JJ is right on the injury concerns. That is really where the risk lies. Paul coming off a big injury year. Granger always an injury risk. THe one thing not mentioned though...so is Devin but not nearly as good as either.

[jerseyjac]

I have no problem with us being aggressive, I just dont want us to get caught in a bad spot...We have to be somewhat cautious here...

I'm prepared to lose for the next couple of years...but I think the window has to be 3yrs, to really make something happen...

[SpeedyG]

Really don't want to touch Granger, not unless it's Devin straight up (plus filler), and only if we can't get Paul. Honestly, having to give up Devin + Favors + Twill + firsts AND having to take back Okafor's contract seems like a tough pill to swallow. Paul has injury concerns, Granger is always an injury concern as well.

Oh and Granger vs. Melo? E, man, I think there's a big drop off between the two. Not star to scrub drop off of course, but a legit #1 vs. a #2 drop off. Granger has never topped 500 FTA in a season ever (though there's a few he would have had he played 82 games). But then the Assist to turnover ratio of almost 1 to 1? Eek.

Carmelo only attempted less than 500 FTA in a season once, and last year, even though he only played 69 games, he shot a whopping 612 attempts. That's nearly 9 a game. And while his A to TO ratio isn't great either (also 1 to 1), he at least gets over 3 assists a game (in fairness, Granger is showing signs of becoming a better playmaker, though I doubt he'll ever be a true playmaker, neither will Anthony for that matter, but I think he has a better shot).

I think, we can agree, playoff time, defense gets tough, whistles sometimes more difficult to come by if they let teams play...you NEED a guy who gets to the rim. Carmelo gives you that, Granger doesn't.

Play inside out with Melo's deadly face-up/post game and lightning quick first step or Granger's spot up shooting from downtown?

No question in my book, I take Melo in a heart beat.

[enetric]

I am OK saying you like Melo more, although I think you picked a special stat cat and said....HERE THIS IS WHY. I for one am not thrilled with NBA forwards in general who dont excell at either spreading the floor with a deep shot or dominate rebounding wise. Always seems to me...that Melo should just be more of something...and he just isnt enough of any one thing. SOmetimes I see things that make me think of (although a much better player) how overrated Rip Hamilton always was. A guy who does his thing in a very self contained way that is dependant off the litle things his teammates do that mattered so much more to winning. As much as I like Melo...his true calling is how easy he scores. But...there are flaws. Absolute flaws.

So OK...liking Melo more? Fine. But I think you are begin dismissive of what Granger does on the basketball court. He does a lot of things that surrounded with better talent...I think are stil pretty special. The big issue is....the injury concerns.

But...To me? Devin is far more of a disaster in that area.

DOnt know what is so hard to swallow in giving up Devin if you got Paul....its a non issue. So turning Favors/Twill and picks in Granger, Paul, and Okafor? Not seeing where that is tough to swallow. Unless of course you feel strongly...Favors in 3 years is a top 10 NBA player himself. If you can tell me right now...you are dead set LOCKED that you think...Favors is a cant miss...next Dwight Howard...and you want to slow build through the draft...NOT make trades...stay young...suck for a few more years in the standings...no argument from me.

I get that if you are thinking that way. But...if you are over valuing Devin Harris who quite honestly is entering his make or break year for trade value...one more injury plagued season...and his value hits the crapper...and you arent convinced Favors is ALL THAT? Well? I think you are over thinking it.

I love Twill as much as you do. But when he gets deal as the ODD MAN OUT THAT HE CLEARLY IS to Avery....for some veteran role playing big man...you are going to crap yourself by comparision to a bold move like this.

I am not sure if we should go all out or suck for several years to come...I really am torn, But....the logic not to puruse a 10 mil Granger to go with a 14 mil Paul.....for the hope that a 17 mil Melo can EVER be had....with Paul? He has a 65 mil offer on the table...so there is that. And for a trade...much harder match.

Granger and Paul are a realsitic way to make it happen talent wise..and cap wise (TRADE WISE) to add a quality core. If...you prefer to stay in the crapper and build that way...no argument...but all these other angles? I think some of them are failing to see the big picture.

[jerseyjac]

Really don't want to touch Granger, not unless it's Devin straight up (plus filler), and only if we can't get Paul. Honestly, having to give up Devin + Favors + Twill + firsts AND having to take back Okafor's contract seems like a tough pill to swallow. Paul has injury concerns, Granger is always an injury concern as well.

Oh and Granger vs. Melo? E, man, I think there's a big drop off between the two. Not star to scrub drop off of course, but a legit #1 vs. a #2 drop off. Granger has never topped 500 FTA in a season ever (though there's a few he would have had he played 82 games). But then the Assist to turnover ratio of almost 1 to 1? Eek.

Carmelo only attempted less than 500 FTA in a season once, and last year, even though he only played 69 games, he shot a whopping 612 attempts. That's nearly 9 a game. And while his A to TO ratio isn't great either (also 1 to 1), he at least gets over 3 assists a game (in fairness, Granger is showing signs of becoming a better playmaker, though I doubt he'll ever be a true playmaker, neither will Anthony for that matter, but I think he has a better shot).

I think, we can agree, playoff time, defense gets tough, whistles sometimes more difficult to come by if they let teams play...you NEED a guy who gets to the rim. Carmelo gives you that, Granger doesn't.

Play inside out with Melo's deadly face-up/post game and lightning quick first step or Granger's spot up shooting from downtown?

No question in my book, I take Melo in a heart beat.

I'm with you speedy and I do like Melo...I actually think he still has a lot to prove...It is a tough pill to swallow when you look at what we're giving up for a star player who is recovering from a major injury...You just really have to like Paul, to make this trade, IMO...despite his serious talent, I have to second guess if he would be willing to make us his home and if he really would have the patience for our rebuilding process...(we're an attractive franchise, future, ect...but not in every player's mind due to the unknown...)

I want a cornerstone player who wants to make the Nets his home for the next 5 years, period...

[SpeedyG]

It's not so much Paul, but Granger. I see the huge risk with Paul, of course, but I also see the big reward that he is capable of bringing here...a top five PG, if not player capability. Granger doesn't give us that. At best, he gives us top 20 MAYBE. So for Paul, I'd consider. Granger? Not so much. And I would not give up our pieces for Granger, seeing as doing so will most likely hurt our chances or making that other big big move (without having to take too many bad contracts).

Honestly, I don't see Paul as a realistic option. Lebron, I felt we had a shot coz of Jay and Prok and the whole global thing, and Brooklyn. I don't think any of that factors in to Paul, at least not to the extent we felt it did to Bron, and we still couldn't get Bron.

Obviously, Paul doesn't have the clout that Lebron has as far as where he's going to go, but in some ways he does. He's not signed to a long-term deal. There's a threat that he'll walk if traded here.

As far as I'm concerned, we SIT. Don't trade Twill, Favors, etc. We continue to build, and see how this all shakes up come All-Star break. Then, if the pieces becomes available, we do the move. But right now, too much uncertainty.

Ideally, I want Paul (or any good distributing PG/leader really) without having to give up Favors. Because IMO, that's the one thing that will REALLY REALLY help the kid out. A PG who's going to give him that confidence that hey, you run I feed you the ball. You set yourself in good position in the post, you're getting it. You cut baseline? I'll lob it to you. Seeing some of these clips from his days in GT...and clips from HS, I saw a defeated player in Georgia Tech. One who seem to felt like, I can post my butt all day if I want, and all I'll get is a violation or a turnover since my guards can't get me the ball. Give him a PG (or wing really) who can make him become that monster in the blocks we feel he can become...will be absolutely worth .

I can only dream of turning back the clock and handing this kid to the prime JKidd we had here. From on-court demeanor, to the way he practice, intensity, how to play the game mentally, Kidd takes Favors' game to different level.

I think Paul does the same. Devin, I'm not sure. Granger, not at all. Melo, maybe.

Anyway, back to Granger vs. Melo (Look at Granger, now look at Melo. Now look at Granger, and back to Melo. Sadly, he isn't Melo.)

I agree that Melo lacks that one thing we all want in a #1...playmaking. Kobe has it when he chooses to. Wade does. So does Lebron especially. Melo is a stud stud efficient scorer though, who can play defense when he puts his mind to it, and can pass the ball when called for, and can rebound. I don't think he carries a team by himself...he needed AI and Billups to take that next step in Denver. I think he two will need someone like that if he comes here. But as a building block? I think he's enough. Granger not so much. I see Granger more as someone you add to that building block.

Dilemma is, we can't just have a block and a bunch of pieces, seeing as the Heat, Lakers, and Celtics have a block, a roof, hurricane protection, and all these fortification with their combination of star players. Speaking of Celtics, I think Melo can play just as well as Pierce did the year they won the Championship. Granger? Don't see it.

[vincecarter4pres]

Anyway, back to Granger vs. Melo (Look at Granger, now look at Melo. Now look at Granger, and back to Melo. Sadly, he isn't Melo.)

[enetric]

Good post Speedy. My one beef is how you are seeing Melo. Not the talent but the reality of getting him and no facotiring in cap impact in comparison to the other guys. Of all three of these guys...he is the least likely option as I see it. Least likely for us to be able to match up for trade, I doubt he becomes a free agent...and his salary for salary matching is the thing I think you are missing here.

17-22 mil per for Melo. 24 mill for Paul+Granger. My point is...Melo if you can get him is...MELO>>>AND THAT's THAT. You are done.

Most likely you now have a HOLE at the point in dealing Devin out in some whacky 3 way deal. And Favors is gone anyway.

I think you underrate Granger the player anyway...but I think you are really underrating the difference between his talent per dollar vs. Melo's in terms of being able to build the best team possible.

I have no problem at all with...just sit tight...stay the course and hope we can improve....keep Favors, etc. if you prefer that. Take the shot at using ALL of our cap space on Melo...which again...I think is the LEAST likely sceanrio.

But, Paul has 2 years remaining. He wont be able to flat out dictate his team of choice. Melo has ALL THE power, and has nothing but great options. His team IS a winning team. He LOVES Denver, has a HUGE extension on the table OR he can go free agency...and talk to anyone he wants. I see us as the extreme longshot should he take the extreme longshot of going free agency.

This Paul/Granger/Brook combo...to me looks better AND more realistic than Melo or bust when you put it in its complete context.

If you have more faith in stay the course...as said before no argument from me. But please lets not pretend than Melo is twice the price better than Granger and close to the cap footprint of Paul and Granger combined, or that he is a more realistic option. He isnt. Better than Granger...perhaps. THAT MUCH BETTER? The HELL you say....

[vincecarter4pres]

I still find it odd that Melo has yet to sign that extension.

I think he's waiting to see what happens with Chris Paul and possibly even Deron Williams to a lesser extent. Say Paul gets traded to Portland, Orlando, Dallas, maybe a darkhorse like OKC, I think you'll see Melo ink that extension literally a day later.

Paul gets traded to the Knix, us or maybe say Sacto, you know, a team that will either still have the cap to outright sign Melo, or be close to it with the legitimate assets to get a S&T done without completely gutting the rest of the roster and I think you see Melo risk it and waiting for unrestricted free agency.

I mean even if he has the intention of resigning with Denver in the above scenario, I think he has to put the pressure on the Nuggets FO to make a huge power move of their own to beef them up to a legitimate contender.

[enetric]

VC...

I think your premise about Okafunk being spared from a deal is unlikely...so I think if the Knicks got PAul...its Paul...and NO Melo becasue of Okablock.

I think Melo waiting since he has until July 1st 2011 to take the extension with a lockout and new CBA looming...is not odd at all. He has ALL THE LEVERAGE. Sure, he could wait to see what happens with Paul and be done in a day.

But I will say this....the more I look at it....the more I relize how much of a long shot Melo for US realy is....and Granger as a second guy with Paul if it can be done looks better and better for only 10mil per.

[SpeedyG]

Good post Speedy. My one beef is how you are seeing Melo. Not the talent but the reality of getting him and no facotiring in cap impact in comparison to the other guys. Of all three of these guys...he is the least likely option as I see it. Least likely for us to be able to match up for trade, I doubt he becomes a free agent...and his salary for salary matching is the thing I think you are missing here.

Oh yeah, when I talk Melo vs. Granger, I'm talking player and talent wise. Not factoring in the difficulty of how to get each player because frankly, we don't know. Too many unknown factors going on out there, too much fluff to sift through.

[qoute]
I think you underrate Granger the player anyway...but I think you are really underrating the difference between his talent per dollar vs. Melo's in terms of being able to build the best team possible. [/quote]

Per dollar, yeah Granger probably gives more bang for the buck. But talent wise, I rather have Melo + Paul over Paul + Granger. And thing is, I feel, Paul + Melo + Brook can contend against the Heat and the Lakers and the Celtics. Paul + Granger + Brook? Very iffy about.

But, Paul has 2 years remaining. He wont be able to flat out dictate his team of choice. Melo has ALL THE power, and has nothing but great options. His team IS a winning team. He LOVES Denver, has a HUGE extension on the table OR he can go free agency...and talk to anyone he wants. I see us as the extreme longshot should he take the extreme longshot of going free agency.

Two years is short enough. That's this coming season, and then next season as the last. Sure, you can take on him and hope the team turns around and he sees it and decides to stay. But to me, unless there's an extension in hand, I might hesitate to pull the trigger.

This Paul/Granger/Brook combo...to me looks better AND more realistic than Melo or bust when you put it in its complete context.

If you have more faith in stay the course...as said before no argument from me. But please lets not pretend than Melo is twice the price better than Granger and close to the cap footprint of Paul and Granger combined, or that he is a more realistic option. He isnt. Better than Granger...perhaps. THAT MUCH BETTER? The HELL you say....

Well when I was discussing Melo, I was discussing it under pretense that we get someone else along with him....not just him. Obviously, Paul + Granger is better than just Melo by himself.

[enetric]

I think you underrate Granger the player anyway...but I think you are really underrating the difference between his talent per dollar vs. Melo's in terms of being able to build the best team possible.

Speedy wrote:

Per dollar, yeah Granger probably gives more bang for the buck. But talent wise, I rather have Melo + Paul over Paul + Granger. And thing is, I feel, Paul + Melo + Brook can contend against the Heat and the Lakers and the Celtics. Paul + Granger + Brook? Very iffy about.

Yes....that I agree with. But my point was...I dont see any way to get Melo+Paul.

Because of what I think NO wants most to move Paul...(save as much cash as possible, so dumping Okafor) is one part of it. I dont see Melo leaving Denver for the Nets as a free agent is the next. And Melo's contract make its all but impossible for us to deal for both him and Paul in trades if that were possible. Putting al the balls in play...I find Melo and Paul the ultimate not going to happen.

Now....if you told me...we can get Paul without taking on Okafive and lets sit tight and roll the dice? I would stil expect to get burned by Melo....but I could at least understand that. I just think...we get Paul over the other 29 teams because we give up a blue chip prospect and save them millions.

One other thing on the time frame of 2 years. Realize that you have no clue how Paul feels about the Nets. Or how he would feel if a deal were on the table...and we also had other moves brewing like Granger as an example.

All we really know is a rumor about a toast at Melo's wedding. A rumor about a list of preferred teams. And that is scary but someone is always a year or two away from being able to check their options. Isnt Brook 2 years away? Should we deal him for fear of what he might be thinking?

My point is...get a deal in place. 2 years in the NBA as a signed contract is a time frame you can work with. This isnt the final year, or a player with an opt out. Its a time frame you can work with at least enough to sit down with player and agent. Think about how many times you have heard these lists over the years...only for a guy to go to a team not mentioned and then he is excited about his new oportunity and says all the right things.

Truth? What superstar has EVER coveted the Nets? EVER????

Gotta do what we gotta do and not over think the rumors.

[jerseyjac]

I think you underrate Granger the player anyway...but I think you are really underrating the difference between his talent per dollar vs. Melo's in terms of being able to build the best team possible.

Speedy wrote:

Per dollar, yeah Granger probably gives more bang for the buck. But talent wise, I rather have Melo + Paul over Paul + Granger. And thing is, I feel, Paul + Melo + Brook can contend against the Heat and the Lakers and the Celtics. Paul + Granger + Brook? Very iffy about.

Yes....that I agree with. But my point was...I dont see any way to get Melo+Paul.

Because of what I think NO wants most to move Paul...(save as much cash as possible, so dumping Okafor) is one part of it. I dont see Melo leaving Denver for the Nets as a free agent is the next. And Melo's contract make its all but impossible for us to deal for both him and Paul in trades if that were possible. Putting al the balls in play...I find Melo and Paul the ultimate not going to happen.

Now....if you told me...we can get Paul without taking on Okafive and lets sit tight and roll the dice? I would stil expect to get burned by Melo....but I could at least understand that. I just think...we get Paul over the other 29 teams because we give up a blue chip prospect and save them millions.

One other thing on the time frame of 2 years. Realize that you have no clue how Paul feels about the Nets. Or how he would feel if a deal were on the table...and we also had other moves brewing like Granger as an example.

All we really know is a rumor about a toast at Melo's wedding. A rumor about a list of preferred teams. And that is scary but someone is always a year or two away from being able to check their options. Isnt Brook 2 years away? Should we deal him for fear of what he might be thinking?

My point is...get a deal in place. 2 years in the NBA as a signed contract is a time frame you can work with. This isnt the final year, or a player with an opt out. Its a time frame you can work with at least enough to sit down with player and agent. Think about how many times you have heard these lists over the years...only for a guy to go to a team not mentioned and then he is excited about his new oportunity and says all the right things.

Truth? What superstar has EVER coveted the Nets? EVER????

Gotta do what we gotta do and not over think the rumors.

still wating...but I hear ya man...I just hope your right about Paul...