Comparing 08-09 Nets Roster with 10-11 Roster

[jeff1624]

Why are we comparing this team to the mediocre 08-09 team?? Some of you are convinced that we'll be making the playoffs this year, then we should easily be better than that team.. which I don't even think we are...

That mediocre team nearly made the playoffs, since some of us are talking about playoffs I found it interesting to discuss.

That team finished 5 games behind the 8th seed. Not sure how's that's ''nearly making the playoffs''.

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Why are we comparing this team to the mediocre 08-09 team?? Some of you are convinced that we'll be making the playoffs this year, then we should easily be better than that team.. which I don't even think we are...

That mediocre team nearly made the playoffs, since some of us are talking about playoffs I found it interesting to discuss.

That team finished 5 games behind the 8th seed. Not sure how's that's ''nearly making the playoffs''.

We just gave up during the last few games, and 5 games isn't that far off.

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Knicks - I like to bash on Amare's knees as much as the next person, but I don't think they will be a problem early on in his career with the Knicks. Gallo's overhyped nonsense is moot to me, most Knicks fans are missing a screw. Felton is definitely a starting poing guard. Plays solid defense, and is a good playmaker, should be interesting to watch in Mike D's system.

Bucks - Top 3 defensive team in the league, took a "Top 4 Team" to 7 games without Bogut. This off-season added good role players, and Bogut is coming back.

Philly - Jrue with a season under his belt, additions of Spencer and Nocioni help them on offense. Don't forget about that one guy who always gets shafted for the all-star game. We haven't seen what Turner can do on an NBA floor, but it won't hurt them that's for sure.

Pacers - Ehh no PF, but Collison showed CP3 greatness in his rookie season, their young guys are going to get some burn, and Granger wants to win.

Bobcats, Detroit - Felton is underrated, and will show once DJ takes up the point in Charlotte. Detroit is no longer the franchise we once knew, many question marks reside there.

Knicks should make it of Amare stay healthy, key word "healthy".

Bucks, fair enough with the defensive team. But the Warriors eliminated the the Mavs not so long ago, I wonder what happened to them afterwards? As with the added players, you can say all you want about them, but this team goes as far Jennings progression takes them, Bogut can only do so much.

Fair enough with Philly, but a lot of that boils down on what Brand does this season.

Pacers. Sorry, Collison had a great rookie season, but not CP3 greatness that you just stated, if that was the case, then I'm sure NO would've had a better record than the 14-26 that they had when he started for them. Again young guys, how will their development be? There are a lot of questions going to be asked this season about Hibbert, Rush and co. Their development as well as Collisons will be what factors how far this team goes. Again, Granger wants to win like you said, and you just kind of backed up my point with my never "losing that winning mentality" rant, he hasn't been in the play-offs since his rookie year, and yet he'd feel that this is the time to push for the play-offs.

Bobcats still have one of the most underrated players in the league in Gerald Wallace, they have Stephen Jackson and Bris Diaw who are pretty good players. Tyrus Thomas may have a good year, depending on which side of his decides to show up. Damps is a servicable player and so is Hughes. Whilst the PG is an issue, I'm sure Felton didn't set those expectations too high, and who knows, Augustin may easily replace him. They were also in the play-offs last year and I doubt the loss of Felton will all of a sudden take them out of play-off contention.

Detroit has Ben Gordon, Villanueva, Prince and Rip as their core players.They have Maxiell and Ben Wallace. They just got a good big man in Earl Monroe and they have good young guys in Jerebko, Stuckey, Daye and Bynum. I think they have a chance of at least an 8th seed.

My point is that any one of the teams mentioned can finished in between those seeds, it's not a guarantee. a lot can happen in an 82-game season, not just that but towards later on in the season and towards the play-offs, the demand of an 82-game season will show and injuries will occur. I'm just saying although the Bulls are probably favorites to finish with the 4th or 5th seed, depending on luck they can easily finish as the 8th seed.

So you're comparing a Warriors team that was suffering through injuries and couldn't make the playoffs repeat, with a healthy top 3 defensive team who got their best player back and acquired new acquisitions?

On the CP3 thing I meant that he had some 22-11-5 games, that is around CP3 territory if I don't say so myself. I'm not saying he's CP3, just that he is a very solid young point guard with great upside.

Like you said, a lot can happen in a 82-game season, why count the Nets out?

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You also have to remember he's pretty much the main offence off the bench, yes that doesn't seem like a big role, but it's certainly a difficult one.

Crawford has been a chucker his whole career.

And I'm not denying that.

The 08-09 squad is better than our squad now, mainly because of VC and his playmaking abilities.

You're saying VC's inconsistencies, makes that squad better than the one we have now?

You're incredibly wrong.

[treiz]

Knicks - I like to bash on Amare's knees as much as the next person, but I don't think they will be a problem early on in his career with the Knicks. Gallo's overhyped nonsense is moot to me, most Knicks fans are missing a screw. Felton is definitely a starting poing guard. Plays solid defense, and is a good playmaker, should be interesting to watch in Mike D's system.

Bucks - Top 3 defensive team in the league, took a "Top 4 Team" to 7 games without Bogut. This off-season added good role players, and Bogut is coming back.

Philly - Jrue with a season under his belt, additions of Spencer and Nocioni help them on offense. Don't forget about that one guy who always gets shafted for the all-star game. We haven't seen what Turner can do on an NBA floor, but it won't hurt them that's for sure.

Pacers - Ehh no PF, but Collison showed CP3 greatness in his rookie season, their young guys are going to get some burn, and Granger wants to win.

Bobcats, Detroit - Felton is underrated, and will show once DJ takes up the point in Charlotte. Detroit is no longer the franchise we once knew, many question marks reside there.

Knicks should make it of Amare stay healthy, key word "healthy".

Bucks, fair enough with the defensive team. But the Warriors eliminated the the Mavs not so long ago, I wonder what happened to them afterwards? As with the added players, you can say all you want about them, but this team goes as far Jennings progression takes them, Bogut can only do so much.

Fair enough with Philly, but a lot of that boils down on what Brand does this season.

Pacers. Sorry, Collison had a great rookie season, but not CP3 greatness that you just stated, if that was the case, then I'm sure NO would've had a better record than the 14-26 that they had when he started for them. Again young guys, how will their development be? There are a lot of questions going to be asked this season about Hibbert, Rush and co. Their development as well as Collisons will be what factors how far this team goes. Again, Granger wants to win like you said, and you just kind of backed up my point with my never "losing that winning mentality" rant, he hasn't been in the play-offs since his rookie year, and yet he'd feel that this is the time to push for the play-offs.

Bobcats still have one of the most underrated players in the league in Gerald Wallace, they have Stephen Jackson and Bris Diaw who are pretty good players. Tyrus Thomas may have a good year, depending on which side of his decides to show up. Damps is a servicable player and so is Hughes. Whilst the PG is an issue, I'm sure Felton didn't set those expectations too high, and who knows, Augustin may easily replace him. They were also in the play-offs last year and I doubt the loss of Felton will all of a sudden take them out of play-off contention.

Detroit has Ben Gordon, Villanueva, Prince and Rip as their core players.They have Maxiell and Ben Wallace. They just got a good big man in Earl Monroe and they have good young guys in Jerebko, Stuckey, Daye and Bynum. I think they have a chance of at least an 8th seed.

My point is that any one of the teams mentioned can finished in between those seeds, it's not a guarantee. a lot can happen in an 82-game season, not just that but towards later on in the season and towards the play-offs, the demand of an 82-game season will show and injuries will occur. I'm just saying although the Bulls are probably favorites to finish with the 4th or 5th seed, depending on luck they can easily finish as the 8th seed.

So you're comparing a Warriors team that was suffering through injuries and couldn't make the playoffs repeat, with a healthy top 3 defensive team who got their best player back and acquired new acquisitions?

On the CP3 thing I meant that he had some 22-11-5 games, that is around CP3 territory if I don't say so myself. I'm not saying he's CP3, just that he is a very solid young point guard with great upside.

Like you said, a lot can happen in a 82-game season, why count the Nets out?

All I'm saying is, is that the additions the Bucks made are what you said, they're just role players/below average players. At the end of the day, the continued progression of Jennings and Bogut is what's key to them making some noise late in the season. Ilyasova's a good prospect, but he'll probably be a solid starter at best, they've added Drew Gooden, and let's be honest here. CDR, nuff said. It's all down to Jennings and Bogut.

Bogut suffered a horrendous injury and I wish him all the best but who knows how he is come the start of the season. Same goes with Redd, who's only played around 40 games the past 2 seasons. If you look at their roster, they aren't the most healthy team in the league.

Fair enough with Collison, but this is a huge year for him, I hope he does well as I like the guy.

True, a lot can happen, but a ****-load has to happen in order for us to make a push, if you look at our roster, we don't have the talent to match up with the others. If you base this on potential, then we'd be in the play-offs easily this year. But the fact is, we have many works in progress, the talent is there, but whether they are fulfilled or at least they have ROY candidate play THIS YEAR is another thing.

[treiz]

You're saying VC's inconsistencies, makes that squad better than the one we have now?

You're incredibly wrong.

OK, he was a bit inconsistent at times, but he still managed to post a 20-5-5 season in 80 games.

VC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all of our additions this year combined.

[iDunk]

Man I wish VC was still on the roster. Harris, 18-20 PPG VC, Lopez, Murphy = 6-8th seed.

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VC + Yi's liabilities + Bobby effin Simmons < Troy Murphy + Travis Outlaw + Terrence Williams

[bkzmanny93]

i totally agree with your assessment. ive been thinking that this was just like the 08-09 season for a while. Im actually hoping for a season like that

It was exciting cuz we almost made the playoffs , we had an all star, we watched the development of a young C, we were competitive every game( which i think is really all we should hope for after last years miserable games)

but i kinda have a little more expectations with Troy on the team now. i want us to make the playoffs! or at least be in the race till the last week of the season. in 08-09 season we were well out of it earlier.

i want the excitement of VCs first season at the end having to win the last 2 games and getting in the playoffs for a tiebreaker between the Cavs.

[treiz]

VC + Yi's liabilities + Bobby effin Simmons < Troy Murphy + Travis Outlaw + Terrence Williams

Sorry, but VC >>>>>>>>all three of them. Obviously not the VC now, but when he was on the Nets in his last year.

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I agree with you, but you have to take into account the negatives like Yi and Simmons.

[jeff1624]

I agree with you, but you have to take into account the negatives like Yi and Simmons.

VC's presence alone more than makes up for Yi and Simmons. None of the 3 mentioned are as good as VC when it comes to playmaking. Terrence might get there some day but he still commits some of the stupidest TO's you'll ever see. VC is a go to guy that could command the double team, which is why Harris flourished that year. Williams, Murphy nor Outlaw are gonna have that effect this year. And lets be honest, Simmons was the scapegoat for that team but at least he shot over 40% from beyond the arc.

Murphy while better than yi is still no more than an ok PF at best. He's just as bad as Yi on defense. On offense he'll be more efficient but in terms of the effect he'll have on Brook it's about the same as yi. Space the floor and let brook handle the low post. The effect he'll have on this team is being exagerated.. for a guy that has never been to the playoffs, I find it weird that some of you believe his acquisition is gonna get us over the top.

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Just as bad as Yi on defense? Did you see Yi play?

We are not saying we will make the playoffs, but are hopeful that we do, it all comes down to how this team gels. But as far as talent goes, we are better than that 08-09 team.

[jeff1624]

Yeah, I did. And while I didn't watch a single Pacers game outside of the times we played them, 82games has him listed as an even worse defender than Yi. I think some of you are gonna be severely disappointed is you think he's anything more than a ''nice'' player.

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Nice Player > Yi

[jeff1624]

Nice Player > Yi

Never said otherwise..

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[Dexmor]

I agree. By far the best team since Kidd-RJ-Kmart-Kittles were going to the finals.

[jeff1624]

I agree. By far the best team since Kidd-RJ-Kmart-Kittles were going to the finals.

If you think this team is better than the 05-06 team, well.. then I have nothing else to say.

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I agree. By far the best team since Kidd-RJ-Kmart-Kittles were going to the finals.

And we complain about Demens.