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Rather than cause another Joe Smith debacle Im going to do the smart thing......
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ZOMG! What a terrible signing. I can't believe this! After over a decade of being a Nets fan and the last few years of punishment this is the signing we make?! Promises of Lebron and Bosh, Boozer and Gay and Stephen freakin' Graham is who we wind up with?! I'm sick of this. I mean we couldn't even go to Proky's secret laboratory and clone RJ? I don't understand how anyone else can agree with the moves made by our FO or have any faith in them anymore. We should have forced stars to sign here like James Dolan and Donnie Walsh did, rolling into meetings in twin Hoverounds with a sawed off shottie under the Snuggie. Just infuriating!

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Good move, useful non-flashy player, plays the right way, great to have him on bench. Good luck to him in New Jersey.

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vincecarter4pres wrote:ZOMG! What a terrible signing. I can't believe this! After over a decade of being a Nets fan and the last few years of punishment this is the signing we make?! Promises of Lebron and Bosh, Boozer and Gay and Stephen freakin' Graham is who we wind up with?! I'm sick of this. I mean we couldn't even go to Proky's secret laboratory and clone RJ? I don't understand how anyone else can agree with the moves made by our FO or have any faith in them anymore. We should have forced stars to sign here like James Dolan and Donnie Walsh did, rolling into meetings in twin Hoverounds with a sawed off shottie under the Snuggie. Just infuriating!
I see we have a comedian here. Go ahead and mock me, just dont be surprised when yet another season of sucking goes by and still cant land a good player. The whole point im making is that being cheap and loading up on cap space isnt going to land a great player. Great players want to win. This offseason should have been a perfect indication of that. Everyone go ahead, find the silver lining on these crap players signing with our team and how its a good deal for the Nets. Because last time I checked this league is about winning basketball games, not making good financial decisions.
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Again... Who the hell wanted to come here, name 3 free agents!
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jeff1624 wrote:Again... Who the hell wanted to come here, name 3 free agents!
WHAT DO YOU THINK MY POINT IS!!!! Ive been pissed off about this for the past few seasons. Look in the archives, when the nets signed bobby simmons and jarvis hayes. I was pretty much alone in saying what the hell is this team doing? Theyre saving money for 2010 but who would want to sign with a team that sucks?? As for this offseason the Nets didnt even make a pitch to many of the big name free agents because they were waiting for lebron, another horrible idea I hated. If they had signed someone like David Lee or Joe Johnson to give lebron a running mate, at least we would still have an all star caliber player for the next offseason. Or at worst someone to use in a trade for a melo or cp3 while still holding onto lopez and favors. When we missed out on Wall the attention should have immediately shifted to signing one elite and a few really good players rather than waiting for someone who would never play here. Losing out on Wall ended the little hope we had at getting one of the big 3.
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Well it's only partially guaranteed this season and non-guaranteed next year so what the hell . Could make the team as a 5th Swing-men behind T-Will , Morrow , Outlaw , James . Certainly he and Quentin Ross will fight for that spot. But it doesn't really matter anyway.
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I take it you're another one of those strive for mediocrity guys?
You would rather be locked into 4 seasons straight of 42 to 46 wins with 3 first round exits and one 2nd round sweep then suck for one last season, land a top draft pick, have another shot at FA's and try and make a huge blockbuster trade to attempt becoming a true top 2 in the East, legitimate contender?
And while we're on the topic...
There were 3 elite players available this offseason in free agency, Lebron, Wade and Dirk and all of them already knew what they were doing.
The other guys, not elite, but let's do a quick review...
Gay and JJ didn't even explore their options.
Boozer shunned us.
Amar'e is probably going to last 2 or 3 seasons of that ridiculous contract and we'll see how good he is without one of the game's best point guards spoon feeding him. I won't even get into his allergies to defense and rebounding despite his length and physical gifts.
Bosh was going wherever his owner's dragged him by his leash and collar.
Scola was too old and Houston would have matched anything reasonable anyway.
Tyrus Thomas?
I know I'm forgetting a few, but you have to see a theme building here...
You would rather be locked into 4 seasons straight of 42 to 46 wins with 3 first round exits and one 2nd round sweep then suck for one last season, land a top draft pick, have another shot at FA's and try and make a huge blockbuster trade to attempt becoming a true top 2 in the East, legitimate contender?
And while we're on the topic...
There were 3 elite players available this offseason in free agency, Lebron, Wade and Dirk and all of them already knew what they were doing.
The other guys, not elite, but let's do a quick review...
Gay and JJ didn't even explore their options.
Boozer shunned us.
Amar'e is probably going to last 2 or 3 seasons of that ridiculous contract and we'll see how good he is without one of the game's best point guards spoon feeding him. I won't even get into his allergies to defense and rebounding despite his length and physical gifts.
Bosh was going wherever his owner's dragged him by his leash and collar.
Scola was too old and Houston would have matched anything reasonable anyway.
Tyrus Thomas?
I know I'm forgetting a few, but you have to see a theme building here...

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Revolutionistt wrote:jeff1624 wrote:Again... Who the hell wanted to come here, name 3 free agents!
WHAT DO YOU THINK MY POINT IS!!!! Ive been pissed off about this for the past few seasons. Look in the archives, when the nets signed bobby simmons and jarvis hayes. I was pretty much alone in saying what the hell is this team doing? Theyre saving money for 2010 but who would want to sign with a team that sucks?? As for this offseason the Nets didnt even make a pitch to many of the big name free agents because they were waiting for lebron, another horrible idea I hated. If they had signed someone like David Lee or Joe Johnson to give lebron a running mate, at least we would still have an all star caliber player for the next offseason. Or at worst someone to use in a trade for a melo or cp3 while still holding onto lopez and favors. When we missed out on Wall the attention should have immediately shifted to signing one elite and a few really good players rather than waiting for someone who would never play here. Losing out on Wall ended the little hope we had at getting one of the big 3.
We didn't sign Bobby Simmons, he came over in the Richard Jefferson trade. And would I do that trade again??? Yeah, I would... you know why? Because if he were still here he'd be owed 15 mil and we'd be in an even worse shape for the future. Jarvis Hayes was a free agent signing that lasted 2 years, big whoop.. he was serviceable.
As for dealing for cap space, it was the right move even if we did fail to land a top free agent. Why? Because we got Favors out of the deal. VC being on this team one more year while being stuck in mediocrity winning 32 games isn't worth it. So yeah, we did strike out on top free agents, but I wouldn't change anything if given the option.
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LOL Typical overreacting over a lateral signing...this is a lateral move guys! It doesn't bring us from 32 wins to 40 wins. It's only partially guaranteed and who knows how he'll do in camp. Some of you guys need to relax.
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We didn't sign Bobby Simmons, he came over in the Richard Jefferson trade. And would I do that trade again??? Yeah, I would... you know why? Because if he were still here he'd be owed 15 mil and we'd be in an even worse shape for the future. Jarvis Hayes was a free agent signing that lasted 2 years, big whoop.. he was serviceable.
As for dealing for cap space, it was the right move even if we did fail to land a top free agent. Why? Because we got Favors out of the deal. VC being on this team one more year while being stuck in mediocrity winning 32 games isn't worth it. So yeah, we did strike out on top free agents, but I wouldn't change anything if given the option.
RJ opted out of his contract to sign for less on purpose for financial security, what makes you think he wouldnt do the same if he were still in new jersey? And think about this, sucking so bad got us Faors, but he wasnt even the top prize in the draft, Wall was. The worst team almost never gets the #1 pick. If we were mediocre wed have a better chance at getting the #1. Ill take borderline playoffs over bordeline worst in history any day of the week. Ill take first round exit over 12 wins and #3 pick any day of the week. Being in the playoffs is a great experience win or lose, and its experience for the players. Win or lose you want to be in that atmosphere.
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Netsultimatefan63 wrote:LOL Typical overreacting over a lateral signing...this is a lateral move guys! It doesn't bring us from 32 wins to 40 wins. It's only partially guaranteed and who knows how he'll do in camp. Some of you guys need to relax.
I realize that and the same for the Joe Smith situation. Ive said before this would not have bothered me if they would have made some real moves first. Instead we got scrub after scrub and filled out the roster with mega scrubs. If Prokhy really wanted Melo he woud have had him in a Nets uniform by now, but they even said themselves their going to wait for him to be a free agent. Because that has worked so well for us before. It takes bold moves to be great, just look at the Kidd trade. Imagine if they waited for Kidd to be a free agent, you think hed sign in New Jersey????
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Revolutionistt wrote:Netsultimatefan63 wrote:LOL Typical overreacting over a lateral signing...this is a lateral move guys! It doesn't bring us from 32 wins to 40 wins. It's only partially guaranteed and who knows how he'll do in camp. Some of you guys need to relax.
I realize that and the same for the Joe Smith situation. Ive said before this would not have bothered me if they would have made some real moves first. Instead we got scrub after scrub and filled out the roster with mega scrubs. If Prokhy really wanted Melo he woud have had him in a Nets uniform by now, but they even said themselves their going to wait for him to be a free agent. Because that has worked so well for us before. It takes bold moves to be great, just look at the Kidd trade. Imagine if they waited for Kidd to be a free agent, you think hed sign in New Jersey????
Actually, after the 2003 finals Kidd WAS a free agent and Kidd DID stay in Jersey. He picked the Nets over the team who beat him a couple months back. That's saying a lot.
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Netsultimatefan63 wrote:Actually, after the 2003 finals Kidd WAS a free agent and Kidd DID stay in Jersey. He picked the Nets over the team who beat him a couple months back. That's saying a lot.
Thats a good point, but he was in New Jersey already because the Nets were aggressive and traed for him in the first place. Had he never came here the Nets wouldnt be back to back EC champs. He would have played out his contract in Phoenix and sign with a contending team, or stay in Phoenix for more money. Instead the Nets landed him and he stayed in New Jersey because he was already here, had a dominant team and could get the most money. It was the perfect situation to stay, but probably not to sign if he was a FA from Phoenix.
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The problem is that the 3 Queens have set a precedent and players now a days wear their vagina on the outside. CP3, Melo, whoever... They're weasels, god damn weasels.
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Revolutionistt wrote:Netsultimatefan63 wrote:Actually, after the 2003 finals Kidd WAS a free agent and Kidd DID stay in Jersey. He picked the Nets over the team who beat him a couple months back. That's saying a lot.
Thats a good point, but he was in New Jersey already because the Nets were aggressive and traed for him in the first place. Had he never came here the Nets wouldnt be back to back EC champs.
Nope, but we probably would have had one of Yao Ming, Jay Williams or Amar'e and one of Lebron, Melo, Wade or Bosh instead...

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And also, if you really want to gut the team for Melo...we'll be stuck in mediocrity for years. Melo by himself can't even get past the first round. It was only when Billups came that the Nuggets came together as a team. Melo isn't even in the same class as Lebron or Wade. He has a lot of work to do defensively and he's very inconsistent when it comes to being mentally prepared or mentally tough. I'm all for Melo being a piece of this team but I'm not willing to trade away our young talent and core guys for one player who won't even put us over the top by himself.
Lebron and Bosh screwing their teams over was the worst thing that could have happened because now the Nuggets and Hornets have made it clear that they want assets in return for their stars before they bolt in free agency.
We're fine right now. We have a nice young team. We won't be mediocre and we'll be a lottery team in my opinion. These signings of Joe Smith and Stephen Graham are just lateral moves being made to bring in a couple veteran guys to help mold our team.
I know the Thunder have Durant but they built their roster the same way. They had a group of young players and then some veterans in Etan Thomas and Nick Collison (Yes i know he was on the team when they were still the sonics). The point is that every young team needs those one or two veteran presences. Even the bulls kept around Lindsey Hunter to be a mentor to the team and derrick rose. The players we had before the joe smith signing were going to be the players who got all the playing time anyway. Ross, Graham, and Smith will be lucky if they play in half our games this season.
Lebron and Bosh screwing their teams over was the worst thing that could have happened because now the Nuggets and Hornets have made it clear that they want assets in return for their stars before they bolt in free agency.
We're fine right now. We have a nice young team. We won't be mediocre and we'll be a lottery team in my opinion. These signings of Joe Smith and Stephen Graham are just lateral moves being made to bring in a couple veteran guys to help mold our team.
I know the Thunder have Durant but they built their roster the same way. They had a group of young players and then some veterans in Etan Thomas and Nick Collison (Yes i know he was on the team when they were still the sonics). The point is that every young team needs those one or two veteran presences. Even the bulls kept around Lindsey Hunter to be a mentor to the team and derrick rose. The players we had before the joe smith signing were going to be the players who got all the playing time anyway. Ross, Graham, and Smith will be lucky if they play in half our games this season.
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Might have to draft this guy with my last pick.
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mikhailjordan wrote:The problem is that the 3 Queens have set a precedent and players now a days wear their vagina on the outside. CP3, Melo, whoever... They're weasels, god damn weasels.
you need a weasel avatar...