Any way for NJ to get involved in the Phx / Orlando trade ?

isekii · Post #1 » by **isekii** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:59 pm

New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +2.2 ppg, -2.8 rpg, and -0.5 apg.
Incoming Players
Vince Carter
6-6 SG from North Carolina
15.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 2.9 apg in 30.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Troy Murphy
6-11 PF from Notre Dame
3.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.4 apg in 16.3 minutes
Travis Outlaw
6-9 SF from Starkville (HS)
9.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 26.1 minutes

Orlando Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +9.7 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and +0.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Jason Richardson
6-6 SG from Michigan State
19.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.8 minutes
Hedo Turkoglu
0-0 from
9.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 25.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Vince Carter
6-6 SG from North Carolina
15.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 2.9 apg in 30.2 minutes
Marcin Gortat
0-0 from
4.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.9 minutes

Phoenix Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -11.9 ppg, +3.2 rpg, and +0.4 apg.
Incoming Players
Troy Murphy
6-11 PF from Notre Dame
3.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.4 apg in 16.3 minutes
Travis Outlaw
6-9 SF from Starkville (HS)
9.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 26.1 minutes
Marcin Gortat
0-0 from
4.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jason Richardson
6-6 SG from Michigan State
19.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.8 minutes
Hedo Turkoglu
0-0 from
9.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.3 apg in 25.2 minutes

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/#ixzz18V0F2uHG

Just one scenario, if we have to throw a first rounder so be in.
I think Vince coming back here would be good for the Nets. He's a great passer and can keep Brook from being double/triple teamed constantly, and if they do he can make them pay.

Not to mention he's an expiring.

jeff1624 · Post #2 » by **jeff1624** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:29 pm

Why would Phoenix do this?

Post #3 » by **NyCeEvO** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:32 pm

jeff1624 wrote:Why would Phoenix do this?

My thoughts exactly.

gino_giode · Post #4 » by **gino_giode** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:37 pm

Hey guys. As you all know Vince is w/ the Suns now. Just wondering what your opinions are for why Vince failed in Orl? And if he doesn't become a ring chaser, would the Nets even bother offering Vince a vet min contract?

IMO VC was one of the best Nets players in his short run in NJ, and I think your fanbase is probably the only one that even remotely appreciates what he brought.

BasketCase1 · Post #5 » by **BasketCase1** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:21 pm

gino_giode wrote:Hey guys. As you all know Vince is w/ the Suns now. Just wondering what your opinions are for why Vince failed in Orl? And if he doesn't become a ring chaser, would the Nets even bother offering Vince a vet min contract?

IMO VC was one of the best Nets players in his short run in NJ, and I think your fanbase is probably the only one that even remotely appreciates what he brought.

Well what seperates Vince from Guys like Kobe and all the other great players was that Vince never brought "IT" every night. When he wanted to score, he would score and score often. When he wanted the ball in his hands to make a crucial play, he did just that. He also never brought his killer instinct every game. Some days he wanted to be half man half amazing, and some days he just wanted to be half man, half a roleplayer. Also, I feel like age and injuries were creeping up on him as well. Such a shame though, if only he cared about the game as much as Kobe, Pierce, Wade etc did. Those are players who bring it every night, love em or hate em. So the reason why Vince ultimately failed in New Jersey and Orlando was because of Vince Carter himself, and he only has himself to blame for that.

SteveNets15 · Post #6 » by **SteveNets15** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:01 am

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5775135

VC is not a good fit for the Suns BUT we do have two players that need a change of scenery and would be a good fit.

VC for Travis Outlaw and Troy Murphy

jeff1624 · Post #7 » by **jeff1624** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:32 am

stevieboy wrote:http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5775135

VC is not a good fit for the Suns BUT we do have two players that need a change of scenery and would be a good fit.

VC for Travis Outlaw and Troy Murphy

Again I ask.. why would Phoenix do that?

isekii · Post #8 » by **isekii** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:12 am

jeff1624 wrote:
stevieboy wrote:http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5775135

VC is not a good fit for the Suns BUT we do have two players that need a change of scenery and would be a good fit.

VC for Travis Outlaw and Troy Murphy

Again I ask.. why would Phoenix do that?

get a free lakers 1st rounder

jeff1624 · Post #9 » by **jeff1624** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:23 am

isekii wrote:
jeff1624 wrote:
stevieboy wrote:http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5775135

VC is not a good fit for the Suns BUT we do have two players that need a change of scenery and would be a good fit.

VC for Travis Outlaw and Troy Murphy

Again I ask.. why would Phoenix do that?

get a free lakers 1st rounder

So they take on Outlaw's contract for a Lakers 1st, which will be in the high 20's??

No chance.

Aussie 2point0 · Post #10 » by **Aussie 2point0** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:20 am

BasketCase1 wrote:
gino_giode wrote:Hey guys. As you all know Vince is w/ the Suns now. Just wondering what your opinions are for why Vince failed in Orl? And if he doesn't become a ring chaser, would the Nets even bother offering Vince a vet min contract?

IMO VC was one of the best Nets players in his short run in NJ, and I think your fanbase is probably the only one that even remotely appreciates what he brought.

Well what seperates Vince from Guys like Kobe and all the other great players was that Vince never brought "IT" every night. When he wanted to score, he would score and score often. When he wanted the ball in his hands to make a crucial play, he did just that. He also never brought his killer instinct every game. Some days he wanted to be half man half amazing, and some days he just wanted to be half man, half a roleplayer. Also, I feel like age and injuries were creeping up on him as well. Such a shame though, if only he cared about the game as much as Kobe, Pierce, Wade etc did. Those are players who bring it every night, love em or hate em. So the reason why Vince ultimately failed in New Jersey and Orlando was because of Vince Carter himself, and he only has himself to blame for that.

BC couldn't have said it better myself. Well actually I have been saying this for ages. But I used MJ, Bird and Isiah. Sorry just old school

But well said.

SteveNets15 · Post #11 » by **SteveNets15** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:03 pm

jeff1624 wrote:
stevieboy wrote:http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5775135

VC is not a good fit for the Suns BUT we do have two players that need a change of scenery and would be a good fit.

VC for Travis Outlaw and Troy Murphy

Again I ask.. why would Phoenix do that?

lol I wasn't serious but i would love for them to take Outlaw's contract

VC for Murphy and Vujacic would be more realistic.But honestly with or without VC we're not making the playoffs,so the few extra games we would win would hurt us more than help us when the lottery comes to town.If we do make a trade for CP3 or MELO I wouldn't mind signing VC to a vet min contract.