vincecarter4pres wrote:Rockice_8 wrote:And for the millionth time this is not keeping us from landing Melo. Guess what, if we don't have Murphy and your wish came true we still don't have Melo. We would just have an extra 11 mill in cap space and nothing to use it on. The extra money isn't making Melo change his mind about us it's just to make DEN happier. He knows we suck he's not blind, and does not want to sign here. The fact is that Favors, Murphy, and two picks is the best offer DEN is going to see. Except for the fact that they know we are desperate for a star and they are trying to milk us for everything we got. They want cap space and we are just going to bend over and and let them abuse our ass cause they we know are desperate.
I'm not going to get into this back and forth between you and E on either side of the argument and I'm not looking to drag this out forever, but these are the things you're not getting.
If we had that 11 million in cap space and nothing to use it on, we would likely get rewarded by using it to help other teams facilitate deals they can't pull off.
See the reports on Cleveland wanting a pick or two to absorb Harris?
That would be us, if we lost out on Melo, which we likely will.
We would be the ones getting a nice young player on a decent contract, with at least one solid 1st round pick as incentive!
Even if it didn't involve a Melo deal, we could be the ones pulling an OKC from a few years ago, absorbing a simple expiring albatross and receiving 2 1st round picks to help a contender get out of the lux tax, receiving $3 million in the deal and buying said player out for a discount.
And before you say who cares about the $3 million, I don't, I just understand the business side of the NBA and what motivates greedy and intelligent owners and GM's.
And finally, yes that cap space could have easily helped get Melo. I doubt it, but maybe Melo is already warmed to the idea of coming here, but you know what Denver wants besides their absurd demands? Luxury tax savings. We're now trying to find other teams to provide this to them. It likely could have saved us from even offering as many draft picks and may have easily provided Denver with the incentive to include a player like Nene coming back to us in the deal in place of Al Harrington, matter of fact giving us the leverage in that type of discussion during haggling.
Just saying.
You know what? I am not even saying that we would have ever gotten Melo. But...I was saying that with the 11 mil...we would have gotten a YES out of Denver faster with us having to ffer up LESS assets to get a deal done. We wouldnt have to give picks or Devin Harris to Cleveland for ther TE because we would have had the cap room. If we had the cash...IN HAND to offer Denver...we would have had better leverage for what we send them. Not saying who or what we spare...but no question we get a YES faster FOR LESS TRADE ASSETS!!!!
From there? Who knows what Melo says. He could still say no. But...the less Denver gets from us...the more Melo has to consider in terms of what he has around him when he gets here.
The fact that this guy simply cant get how MUCH of a bad move this Troy thing was...is the issue. And end result isnt the point. It has to do with our flexibility. And you gave a great example. Cant get Melo...there is something else to get of value for us. Troy for a one year rental wasnt it. Even if he was playing and we were on our way to 35 wins.
THere was NO LOGIC behind that move at the time we made it. It was foolish....period.