Derrick Favors Progression Thread

[8 Mile Ilic]

I'm fine with Favors sitting the end of the fourth quarters for now, teams would employ hack-a-favors and that kind of **** can't be good for anyone's psyche.

[Stone]

In all probability Averys words lit a fire under this kids butt. I've worn the boss hat enough times to know that sometimes you have to play the bad guy and shake the cage a little. He responded by turning in his best performance in a long while. But lets not sugar coat it, he missed a bunch of point blank put backs and missed half of his free throws. Even with that said, I think he should have got more time in the forth in this particular game because he earned it. He now needs to build on his strenths and make adjustments.

[vincecarter4pres]

He played 26 minutes last night and probably should have played more. I would have liked to see him get a few more minutes in the 4th over Humphries.

If he continues to play like he did last night I have no doubt he will get his chances. Again I ask, what is so wrong with Avery making him earning it by playing the way he did in last night's game more often? If this is a pattern that continues I will be the first guy to jump onto the bandwagon but this was his first good game in a month. And I'm not talking about a good game purely from a numbers standpoint, I'm just talking about him being active, involved, and making any kind of plays out there. Most nights since being handed the starting job he has been invisible.

Going to the bench sucks for any player but it's part of every game. As much as he was having a great night on the boards he was 3-10 from the field, including blowing 2 point blank jams, and getting blocked by Wilson Chandler 3 times. He was 3-6 from the line, and offensively Wilson Chandler had his way with him most of the night. The entire team deserves plenty of blame for what was one of the worst losses and defensive efforts of the season so I don't think anyone should be getting over-glorified Today.

Despite the mistakes, if he continues to do what he did last night he will get more playing time just as he did last night getting 6 minutes more then his average. If it becomes a trend instead of a rarity I have no doubt he will further eat into Humphries and Petro's minutes on a more permanent basis.

You know none of that venom was really directed at you, it was aggravation from losing to an Amar'e-less Knix and I have a PhD in obscenities, but obviously I still don't agree with your views on Favors and his opportunities or lack there of.

You know your stuff, but I feel like you fall into some type of PR fluff campaign BS when it comes to Avery's handling of him.

Anyway, besides clearing the air on that, I quoted this one from the Wilson Chandler comments. Were we watching a different game? Favors did a mainly terrific job on him or anyone he guarded, his defense and activity levels were top notch last night. It was mainly bad rotations by the rest of the players and a on nighht only showing of a gimmick offense that NBA Live would have trouble duplicating that allowed him to "go off" like that, he was only 8 for 21 anyway.

The missed dunks, I can live with that if his level of aggression was consistently that high, along with his awareness.

The missed free throws? Thtas not a valid thing to critique until this dude's third season, again just grasping at straws.

[8 Mile Ilic]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... nte_Greene

lol... What the hell is wrong with this guy?

[bobbyc]

You guys are waaay too fixated on Favors minutes. You have to be patient with him he is still a teenager.

Look at Bynum and Jason Thompson. Bynum has never got major minutes even when healthy and has still found a way to become a beast at an early age. And Jason Thompson has got major minutes and has found a way to not improve his game. Minutes don't equal success. This isn't a video game where he gets xp for every minute he plays. Minutes help, but I think winning and good play helps even more.

This team needs to just put the lineup with the best chance of winning out there most of the time. And Hump is a better player right now. Most of his progress is going to take place in the gym by getting stronger so he can finish stronger and also work on his jump shot and free throws

[Netaman]

VC4P - I hear your POV and I agree with it as it relates to last night. I'm not giving Favors any awards for his D on Chandler but perhaps it wasn't as bad as I made it out to be. Even still I would have liked to see him stay and and Humphries exit after the knicks 11-2 run to start the 4th.

That doesn't change the fact that I agree with Avery's assessment of him 100% (per the comments on the last page). His shot blocking has steadily improved, his rebounding has been excellent all season, and he is getting better at not taking stupid fouls. Beyond that he has A LOT of work to do before he is a night in and night out contributor at this level. His offensive ability and overall BBIQ is far behind a lot of the guys he has often been compared to as a prospect at this point - being the youngest player in the NBA that's to be expected.

And finally, LOL @ Cousins. I feel for the guy because it's like watching a car accident but seriously he must be insane. In terms of talent I would take him over Lopez. In terms of his personality I wouldn't take him over Marbury.

[Netaman]

You guys are waaay too fixated on Favors minutes. You have to be patient with him he is still a teenager.

Look at Bynum and Jason Thompson. Bynum has never got major minutes even when healthy and has still found a way to become a beast at an early age. And Jason Thompson has got major minutes and has found a way to not improve his game. Minutes don't equal success. This isn't a video game where he gets xp for every minute he plays. Minutes help, but I think winning and good play helps even more.

This team needs to just put the lineup with the best chance of winning out there most of the time. And Hump is a better player right now. Most of his progress is going to take place in the gym by getting stronger so he can finish stronger and also work on his jump shot and free throws

agreed. Bynum is a good example. Al Jefferson is another one especially considering he broke in on a crappy team where he could have gotten a lot more minutes since "they weren't playing for anything".

[SpeedyG]

Guys, you are missing the point. It's not a case of "player A got minutes and didn't succeed or player B didn't get minutes but still succeed".

A player will become the player he will be regardless of circumstance, for the most part. Playing Favors 30 minutes a game his rookie year does not guarantee that he will become a Dwight Howard or an Amare Stoudamire or whoever. All it does is accelerate his learning curve (if he is that good) or let you move on earlier (if he's not that good).

You can only simulate a game in practice so much. You can take all the shots you want, lift all the weights you want, do all the prep time you want. But unless you are being given the opportunity to test all of those out in real, live, game situations...you're really not going to know which of those moves you practiced works, and in what situations do they work.

[vincecarter4pres]

Guys, you are missing the point. It's not a case of "player A got minutes and didn't succeed or player B didn't get minutes but still succeed".

A player will become the player he will be regardless of circumstance, for the most part. Playing Favors 30 minutes a game his rookie year does not guarantee that he will become a Dwight Howard or an Amare Stoudamire or whoever. All it does is accelerate his learning curve (if he is that good) or let you move on earlier (if he's not that good).

You can only simulate a game in practice so much. You can take all the shots you want, lift all the weights you want, do all the prep time you want. But unless you are being given the opportunity to test all of those out in real, live, game situations...you're really not going to know which of those moves you practiced works, and in what situations do they work.

Hence the reason he needs minutes whether he deserves them are not.

Who gives a flying 747 **** if he doesn't deserve them, who does, Kris Humphries playing basketball the right way for the first time in his 8 season career cause he's in a crucial contract year?

This team is not winning games, he NEEDS to get a consistent 30 minutes per game, REGARDLESS of the circumstances point blank, no if, and's, what's or but's, it's really just that simple.

And on top of that, although the difference between a straight star and a role player are not the product of minutes in a player's rookie season and they will be what they will be do to inherent talent and work ethic, it certainly can be the difference between semi-star and true star and how early a player hits his ceiling and what good and bad habits he develops.

[isekii]

Guys, you are missing the point. It's not a case of "player A got minutes and didn't succeed or player B didn't get minutes but still succeed".

A player will become the player he will be regardless of circumstance, for the most part. Playing Favors 30 minutes a game his rookie year does not guarantee that he will become a Dwight Howard or an Amare Stoudamire or whoever. All it does is accelerate his learning curve (if he is that good) or let you move on earlier (if he's not that good).

You can only simulate a game in practice so much. You can take all the shots you want, lift all the weights you want, do all the prep time you want. But unless you are being given the opportunity to test all of those out in real, live, game situations...you're really not going to know which of those moves you practiced works, and in what situations do they work.

Hence the reason he needs minutes whether he deserves them are not.

Who gives a flying 747 **** if he doesn't deserve them, who does, Kris Humphries playing basketball the right way for the first time in his 8 season career cause he's in a crucial contract year?

This team is not winning games, he NEEDS to get a consistent 30 minutes per game, REGARDLESS of the circumstances point blank, no if, and's, what's or but's, it's really just that simple.

And on top of that, although the difference between a straight star and a role player are not the product of minutes in a player's rookie season and they will be what they will be do to inherent talent and work ethic, it certainly can be the difference between semi-star and true star and how early a player hits his ceiling and what good and bad habits he develops.

I have to agree.
You have to free the beast. Let him learn. I don't get why avery starts him then doesn't utilize him throughout the game. He's only going to learn by actually being in the game.
Practice will only take you so much.

[bobbyc]

Guys, you are missing the point. It's not a case of "player A got minutes and didn't succeed or player B didn't get minutes but still succeed".

A player will become the player he will be regardless of circumstance, for the most part. Playing Favors 30 minutes a game his rookie year does not guarantee that he will become a Dwight Howard or an Amare Stoudamire or whoever. All it does is accelerate his learning curve (if he is that good) or let you move on earlier (if he's not that good).

You can only simulate a game in practice so much. You can take all the shots you want, lift all the weights you want, do all the prep time you want. But unless you are being given the opportunity to test all of those out in real, live, game situations...you're really not going to know which of those moves you practiced works, and in what situations do they work.

Hence the reason he needs minutes whether he deserves them are not.

Who gives a flying 747 **** if he doesn't deserve them, who does, Kris Humphries playing basketball the right way for the first time in his 8 season career cause he's in a crucial contract year?

This team is not winning games, he NEEDS to get a consistent 30 minutes per game, REGARDLESS of the circumstances point blank, no if, and's, what's or but's, it's really just that simple.

And on top of that, although the difference between a straight star and a role player are not the product of minutes in a player's rookie season and they will be what they will be do to inherent talent and work ethic, it certainly can be the difference between semi-star and true star and how early a player hits his ceiling and what good and bad habits he develops.

I have to agree.
You have to free the beast. Let him learn. I don't get why avery starts him then doesn't utilize him throughout the game. He's only going to learn by actually being in the game.
Practice will only take you so much.

With your guys logic why don't we just start Damion James and let him play 30+ minutes.

[SpeedyG]

With your guys logic why don't we just start Damion James and let him play 30+ minutes.

If you have to ask that question, then you do not belong in this conversation.

[vincecarter4pres]

With your guys logic why don't we just start Damion James and let him play 30+ minutes.

If you have to ask that question, then you do not belong in this conversation.

True dat.

Only a silly man would insinuate a rookie should take Trout's minutes.

[SpeedyG]

With your guys logic why don't we just start Damion James and let him play 30+ minutes.

If you have to ask that question, then you do not belong in this conversation.

True dat.

Only a silly man would insinuate a rookie should take Trout's minutes.

LoL...don't mess with me when I'm trying to be a smartass VC. Don't make me go enetric on you.

[vincecarter4pres]

LoL...don't mess with me when I'm trying to be a smartass VC. Don't make me go enetric on you.

[624]

So during the Rookie Sophomore game Derrick supposedly wore Georgia Tech socks instead of Nets ones because he had no idea what was going on....how do you think the Nets obviously looking to trade him is going to affect him now that the Melo stuff is over with?

[vincecarter4pres]

So during the Rookie Sophomore game Derrick supposedly wore Georgia Tech socks instead of Nets ones because he had no idea what was going on....how do you think the Nets obviously looking to trade him is going to affect him now that the Melo stuff is over with?

IDK man, I hope he isn't Brook Lopez soft though.

[JoseRizal]

So during the Rookie Sophomore game Derrick supposedly wore Georgia Tech socks instead of Nets ones because he had no idea what was going on....how do you think the Nets obviously looking to trade him is going to affect him now that the Melo stuff is over with?

IDK man, I hope he isn't Brook Lopez soft though.

He lacks aggression, much like Brook. He needs to attend judo classes with Charles Oakley...