Confirmation from Proky: We're going after Howard!

[Netaman]

Don't hate on Prokhorov because the NBA become a circus of off court shenanigans. Hate Pat Riley for starting it and David Stern for allowing it.

Hate Amare, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, Jason Kidd, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Carmelo Anthony, and all the other "stars" of the league who have used their influence on the court to become team executives off the court.

Prokhorov has never broken any rules as an owner. He's doing what he has to do to compete in Today's NBA landscape. I'm sure what he is doing turns off a lot of fans because it turns me off when I see it happen around the league with other teams. You get mad at someone for trying to equalize the playing field. Get mad at the guy who has created the system that allows big market dynasties at the expense of small market "feeder teams".

[vincecarter4pres]

And one last thing, he mentions MJ and Kobe and then refers to Kobe and Shaq. He explicitly says, "They had two guys who could dominate...and then rest of the guys were role players who knew their roles....". Yup, each had two guys that could dominate. TWO guys lol. Hopefully, you pull a miracle and land CP3 so you can have two guys cuz if not I don't think it fairs well for you.

He says "I don't WANT to say you HAVE to team up with another great all-star in this league to win a championship. I think it takes a team to win..." But notice he mentioned two of the greatest champions in league history. Guess what? They had two stars and role players. MJ, Scottie...Kobe, Shaq...Kobe, Gasol. And I think D-Will + Dwight equals two. He doesn't want to have to say it because that would directly tell management that they screwed up and the trade deadline has passed but just based upon what he said himself, he knows that 2 or more equals success. And all of us on the board agree that no more than 2 and role players.

This was exactly what I was going to quote and talk about.

I mean could Dwight have made it more obvious?

He basically said as of right now we have no shot at a title. I need to team up with another star, get me a REAL second star or I'll find myself one somewhere else.

The question to you is....U MAD???..

Oh, he mad.

[vincecarter4pres]

Of course, he said what he had to say and that's a given. I think Dwight will be the one recruiting, not Deron, as to coming to Orlando.

Yeah good luck with that one.
I can sure see Chris Paul or Deron going to the Magic for the MLE.

[SpeedyG]

Now I'm not a lawyer, but to me, when I see someone say "most attractive place right now," I wouldn't be so confident that he actually intends to stay a year from now. After all, if he did, why would he say right now? That right there is a qualifier, a Freudian one I would say, and one that would make me frown if I were a Magic fan, not go trolling in a thread on another forum.

Do the Nets get him? No, probably not, but don't be so confident that he won't be strong-arming his way out if the Magic don't win the championship or at least get to the finals in June and the CBA doesn't dramatically change the landscape of the NBA. Where will he end up? I have no idea, but then again, I don't see anyone proclaiming that the Nets are a shoe-in to get him around here.

Oh, wait, I am a lawyer.

Great anwer Sherlock! I've never heard that before. Geeze, Louise

Of course, he said what he had to say and that's a given. I think Dwight will be the one recruiting, not Deron, as to coming to Orlando. This isn't our first rodeo with Dwight, it's just the media taking it to a whole another level. I mean, LeBron, Wade, and Bosh found the same home. Amare did, followed by Melo. Deron was just dealt to you guys, so what else would the media be talking/speculating about for the next few months? CP3 & Dwight

As a Magic fan, long time member at RealGM, I'm not one to crash a party by trolling or by creating conflict. That's just not me. I'm just relaying the message after Dwight heard about Prokhorov and Deron's "discussion" regarding himself. I'm just saying, don't you get your hopes up. Since OKC is going with Perkins for the "long-run", it's really NYK and NJ as our competition, which means Dwight would have to walk away from more $, brand spankin new arena, a very nice suporting cast, no state income tax, and the sun!

I think Dwight wants to stay in Orlando. Problem is, I think you guys made a risky move this season, similar to the one the Cavs made with the Jamison deal. The Arenas/Hedo/JRich deal was BIG TIME, but was very risky if it didn't pan out.

Even if Dwight wants to stay in Orlando, CP3? Unless the CBA changes drastically, the Magic would have no room to bring in CP3. Dwight, Arenas, and Hedo's contract make sure of that. And you guys have no young prospects to entice a team to take Arenas or Hedo's contracts off your hands.

That is why a lot of Nets fan feel that we have a good shot at Dwight. Let's assume that both want to play with each other, and the only sticking point is where: Orlando or New Jersey.

Dwight asks Deron, "Will you come to Orlando?" Deron says "I'd love to man, but you guys don't have the cap space to sign me, and Nets are not going to trade me to the Magic knowing they have no leverage."

Deron asks Dwight, "Well, how about you come to Brooklyn (yes, Brooklyn) instead? We have the cap space to sign you outright. It's a five year deal instead of six, but if Orlando knows you're walking away, I've already talked to Billy King and I'm sure they'd give up Brook Lopez to get you here so you can get your 6th year."

THAT is why a lot of Nets fans think we stand a good chance at Dwight should he decide to leave Orlando.

That being said, I personally think it won't happen. I think with all of these superstars leaving, I think the owners (especially of mid/small market teams) are going to make sure they get some protection from their stars leaving. The NBA is a superstar league, much moreso than the NFL, NHL, and MLB. If the small market teams don't have a tool from keeping their drafted superstars from leaving, then they might as well contract those teams out because they won't stand a chance against all the big-market/superteams out there.

[Jersey Generals]

This isn't our first rodeo with Dwight, it's just the media taking it to a whole another level.[/b]

Dwight has never had impending free agency like he does in the summer of 2012 or 2013. So...yeah, it is your first rodeo.

As a Magic fan, long time member at RealGM, I'm not one to crash a party by trolling or by creating conflict. That's just not me. I'm just relaying the message after Dwight heard about Prokhorov and Deron's "discussion" regarding himself. I'm just saying, don't you get your hopes up.

Our hopes aren't up.

You're absolutley correct! There is no "shoe-in" team for Dwight's services, so why even speculate? Because of D-Will and Prokorhov's conversation that was released by the NJ's media, yet again?

...isn't that the point of speculation? To talk about where he might go? If there was a shoe-in team, it wouldn't be speculation anymore, would it?

So yeah, when a team like NJ makes wiretap/headlines and Dwight's name comes up, it kind of pisses me off.

So you're saying you're mad?

So I refute by contributing to the thread, yet i'm "trolling"? If I had Deke here, he'd waive the finger. Oh wait,

Go back and read what you wrote and how you sounded. Dan Gadzuric?

[Hotshot Hower]

I apologize to any NJ fans I may have upset in the course of a few hours.

The Dan Gadzuric comment was a "low-blow" and I take that back. Yes, I wish I had an owner as gutsy and brillant as Prokhorov, but we don't. Again, was contributing to the thread, so speculate all you want.

Ok, I apologize this will be our 2nd rodeo. We had to convince him to an extension right after his rookie deal to stay in Orlando. By means of "1st rodeo", don't take it so literal, as I was insinuating the media and every other outlet out there makes a BIG deal about if Dwight will extend or entertain the idea of playing with a superstar in a bigger market.

[NyCeEvO]

I apologize to any NJ fans I may have upset in the course of a few hours.

The Dan Gadzuric comment was a "low-blow" and I take that back. Yes, I wish I had an owner as gutsy and brillant as Prokhorov, but we don't. Again, was contributing to the thread, so speculate all you want.

Ok, I apologize this will be our 2nd rodeo. We had to convince him to an extension right after his rookie deal to stay in Orlando. By means of "1st rodeo", don't take it so literal, as I was insinuating the media and every other outlet out there makes a BIG deal about if Dwight will extend or entertain the idea of playing with a superstar in a bigger market.

Wow, I give you mad props for coming back here and actually taking back stuff. Most people would've just tried to piss us off even further and then get banned lol.

Honestly, I really don't wanna see Miami or Boston win so your team has some work to do this postseason. While it may nice to think about Dwight as a fan of other teams, we realize that our offer would be one of, if not the best that you can get back whenever you deal a superstar, however it is still pipelandish until Dwight says that he actually wants out. I guess it's a win-win for me in the postseason cuz if you beat Miami and Boston, I'll be happy but if you don't at least I can see Dwight asking out. Can't really blame you for being upset about Dwight cuz if we were in your situation, I'm sure we'd be pretty defensive too. Just be glad that you came to competent board though cuz if you go over to the Knicks board and say they can't get Howard despite having no cap space, they'll get you really pissed off.

[magicfan9109]

wow smh. good luck with getting dh12.

[Hotshot Hower]

Like I said, not here to cause mischief and appreciate the professionalism folks.

IF, a BIG IF but..
How about Brook Lopez & Deron Willaims and for Dwight & Jameer. (framework, other pieces added)

That's pretty steep, but "Proky" would bite on that, right? --worst case-- which will never happen, just some fruit for thought.

[N Ireland Nets]

Not to be rude but I don't think there is a chance of that happening. If we can't get Howard in to team up with Williams then we will just use the cap to bring in better quality at the 2,3,4 spots.

The way I see it is Brook Lopez is valued a top 5 centre in the league and Williams is top 3 PG. Howard is the number 1 C with Jameer a decent PG. So in my humble opinion, it wouldn't happen.

I think the likely senario is IF we were to trade for Howard, something like Lopez, James 2 1sts for Howard and one of your two awful contracts would be coming back. Thats the only real deal I would see as being fair because it removes a huge amount of cap room for yourselves and gives you a very good young centre.

[Jersey Generals]

Jameer and Dwight for Deron and Brook?

I'll play along. This would have to assume that Deron won't sign an extension. Further, it wouldn't be smart to do that unless Dwight signs an extension (agreement not to opt out or whatever), but....if he did, then that would be a good trade. Go after Nene with the cap space in the summer, and maybe a wing, buy a few picks, and you have yourself a near-contender

Jameer
Morrow
James
Nene
Howard

Bam.

[jonskilly]

I'm pretty sure every other team in the NBA will be going after Dwight

[NyCeEvO]

I'm pretty sure every other team in the NBA will be going after Dwight

...if a salary cap didn't exist and every owner had billions and billions of dollars.

[WARCRIMEZ]

wow, orlando fans seem bitter. Otis took alot of chances and it seems like they could be franchise crippling moves by the end of turk/gil's contracts if they don't perform at least as good as they are now. I almost feel bad for them because I was blinded for at least a year thinking Bosh would re-sign. The magic, and i suppose the bulls, are the only teams I have faith in to bring down the celtics/heat tho, so i can't wish any harm on em. only turk for being a drunken slob during his time in toronto.

since im on the nets forum, i should add that deron and d12 would make alot of sense and the magic don't have the assets to get deron. not to mention prokrov's mentality towards winning would be alot to turn down for howard. Only competition would be the knicks, but would they have the assets to get him and keep melo and amare?

[jonskilly]

I'm pretty sure every other team in the NBA will be going after Dwight

...if a salary cap didn't exist and every owner had billions and billions of dollars.

I'm sure every team thought about or inquired about LeBron over the summer.

[jonskilly]

wow, orlando fans seem bitter. Otis took alot of chances and it seems like they could be franchise crippling moves by the end of turk/gil's contracts if they don't perform at least as good as they are now. I almost feel bad for them because I was blinded for at least a year thinking Bosh would re-sign. The magic, and i suppose the bulls, are the only teams I have faith in to bring down the celtics/heat tho, so i can't wish any harm on em. only turk for being a drunken slob during his time in toronto.

since im on the nets forum, i should add that deron and d12 would make alot of sense and the magic don't have the assets to get deron. not to mention prokrov's mentality towards winning would be alot to turn down for howard. Only competition would be the knicks, but would they have the assets to get him and keep melo and amare?

Orlando fans arent bitter, it's just annoying seeing these headlines pop up because the media is forcing it. Dwight has a year & a half before he can opt out. Lots of things can change, but as a Nets fan (which happen to be my 2nd team), this should be obvious that Prokhorov is going for Dwight.

As a Magic fan, I would want nothing to do with Brook. Just read all the threads about him and how everyone wants him gone (the fans). Throwing Deron in would be enticing, but it depends what kind of contract Brook would get