Nets vs. Brickerbockers [Friday]

[melostat]

You're the one pulling nonsense out of nowhere Amar'e and Carmelo have a history OF NOT elevating their games defensively in big moments to insinuate otherwise is an insult to the human race.

Amar'e and Carmelo are bad defenders, they always have been. Just because they're on the Knicks does not mean they're "okay" or "respectable when they want to be".

Bad defender is bad defender.

yah only an idiot thinks like that.. pierce, allen and gasol are all bad defenders until they came to boston. fact is most superstars dont play defense because they dont want to get injured. only players who have no talent in scoring and are willing to sacrifice their bodies become defenders. defending is like a janitors job, everybody can be a janitor but no one wants to be a janitor. the same with defense, every player can play defense but not every player wants to be injured esp the superstars so you better put a defender on them or hire a janitor.

Felt the need to quote this again because this is homerific and just plain idiocy

Defending is a key integral part of the game, and most superstars do play D. Howard, Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Paul, Durant. They all play D, their is not a single superstar in the league who doesn't play D. BTW, Melo and Amare aren't superstars, they're 2nd-tier stars don't get me wrong, but the reason why they aren't superstars is because they have so much holes in their game.

Defending is a janitors job? Tell that to all the MVP candidates. Your 2 stars don't do any defending, look where you guys are. Look at Bulls, they play amazing D and they get the 1st seed, Orlando is up there, the Spurs are amazing defensively and they're number 1, and so on and so on. You guys don't play any D and yet you struggle to get an over .500 record. If that was the case then I guess the Bulls, Orlando, SA etc etc are all filled with scrubs then....

Please leave and never come back.

you know the saying you can always play defense but not offense, what does that mean idiot??it means it is easier to play defense than to play offense.

most defensive anchors like shaq, yao, perkins, bynum, noah gets injured a lot. if you want your superstar to get injured then let him play defense so your franchise get doomed.

fact is you can get a defensive anchor through draft or free agency but not scorers. you need to have a top 5 pick and still develop him for how many years until he becomes a scorer

[NyCeEvO]

There's no empirical fact which shows that playing defense gets you injured. All of those players weren't injured because they were playing defense. When I said defensive anchors, I simply meant a great individual defender on your team.

Shaq is not a defensive anchor. He's just getting old now.
Yao isn't a defensive anchor either. Sure, he gets blocks but that is simply because he's tall. His mobility has always been slow and therefore when teams attack him, it's usually in a pick and roll situation and they draw him out, cross him up and go right by him.
Both Perkins and Bynum were inured by people falling on their legs.
Noah had a thumb injury that wasn't attributed to defense at all.

You just picked big men that are/were injured to try to validate your point. Why not pick players like the reigning 2-time defensive player of the year?
Or Ron Artest (when he wants to play defense)?
KG in his prime wasn't injury prone and neither were Ben Wallace nor Tim Duncan and their defense led teams to championships.
How about Gerald Wallace and Andre Iguodala?
Rajon Rondo and CP3 have great hands and are 1-2 in steals. They don't get injured because they play defense.
Andrew Bogut is the leader in blocks but he's injured because he fell on his elbow after dunking the ball on offense, not because he was playing defense.
Javale McGee and Serge Ibaka are tied with D12 for 2nd in the NBA in block shots. Are they injured? No.

Until you can come up with empirical data that shows that defense causes injuries, your argument will remain unconvincing.

[DarkXaero]

If good defense was all about effort and willingness, then Nets would be a good defensive team, considering we have a whole bunch of scrubs who give full effort on defense (Graham, Vujacic, Uzoh, West, Gadzuric)

[DarkXaero]

Don't you also think that he just might not have the energy because of the mono though?

Of course, he lost weight over the summer, it's clear to see that. He's also playing with calcium deposit on his right arm. I know that things like that make a difference on his rebounding but I'm just not sure to what extent because I've obviously never been in that position. But I definitely do see a lack of willingness and effort to get rebounds from Brook. Not sure what is the reason for that. I mean the guy was a pretty decent rebounder in his first two seasons so it's just weird to see his rebounding numbers dip like that.

[treiz]

LOL, learn to read and don't just read a post, read the whole discussion idiot. You're fellow Knicks fan here is saying that you guys are experienced in the play-offs because of your 3 mains pieces and I agree, but earlier in the thread he was complaining about the Knicks not having the correct chemistry which ultimately leads to your current record and now all of a sudden he's saying that chemistry is no longer an issue.

So firstly are you telling me that come play-off time the whole Knicks team will have full chemistry even though you guys just made a huge trade a couple of months ago? Secondly, learn to read the topic at hand before, again, you spew out crap from your mouth, I'm sure you were taught better than that.

Oh and btw, thank you for proving my point to your fellow fan here. Maybe you're not an idiot after all.

yah just because theyre experienced, they will just understand the system right away..LOL that shows how low your IQ is. and didnt you said EARLIER??LOL at this idiot thinking NOW and EARLIER is the same. just because they have bad chemistry earlier doesnt mean they still have it now

When did I say that just because they're experienced that they gel straight away? That was what your fellow Knicks fan was trying to prove and I was saying no, that's impossible. Seriously, please learn to read and comprehend before you call others idiot, it REALLY makes you look bad, not that I had a good impression anyway.

The reason for the now and earlier comment relates to 2 different posts that Knicks fan made, again please, learn to read and comprehend, seriously, I think RealGM needs an IQ test before they let every incest child sign-up, it really makes the human race look terrible. BTW, lol at you comparing IQ to basketball knowledge, honestly you clearly have none of either so why don't you go play somewhere else, I'm kind of busy here having discussions with grown men. Child.

[treiz]

because defense is all about motivation or willingness to be a janitor to win the game. Gasol, pierce, allen were never good defenders before they came to lakers and boston. its about willingness you idiot

Hence why you guys will never win a championships, thanks for helping me out with my argument there skippy, you want a cookie with that junior? Gasol and Allen are 2nd options for their team and you're teams "stars" are filled with these kind of players, good luck winning anything at all for the next 5-6 years.

Lastly....

Please leave and never come back.

[treiz]

you know the saying you can always play defense but not offense, what does that mean idiot??it means it is easier to play defense than to play offense.

most defensive anchors like shaq, yao, perkins, bynum, noah gets injured a lot. if you want your superstar to get injured then let him play defense so your franchise get doomed.

fact is you can get a defensive anchor through draft or free agency but not scorers. you need to have a top 5 pick and still develop him for how many years until he becomes a scorer

You can always play D but not O? So can you play D even when you have the ball? What about if it's half time? Hmmm....nice logic there...idiot

Last time I check, possessions in a game of basketball switches every 24 seconds unless there's an offensive rebound but that's really minor and unless you can get 20 in a row then that saying is utter crap. It's not easier to play D, you know how athletic these guys are? If you're not focused on stoping your man you will either get blown by or just straight up bullied inside. Just because it's a saying doesn't make it true, foolish naive child.

According to you, just because they play D, they are more susceptible to injuries? And because of this, just because they play D, they are to quote you "janitors" Wow...just wow. Last time I check, the 2 most successful franchises in the past decade or so have two franchise players who plays great D, in that I am talking about Duncan and Kobe. Also, Howard is a franchise player, KG was a franchise player, Durant is, Rose is, not sure about LMA but he's certainly close, what about Blake Griffin? And so on, and so on.

You can also get scorers in the draft, look at Ginobili, Arenas in his prime as an example. It's much harder to find a good defensive anchor in the draft than it is to find a scorer.

[melostat]

When did I say that just because they're experienced that they gel straight away? That was what your fellow Knicks fan was trying to prove and I was saying no, that's impossible. Seriously, please learn to read and comprehend before you call others idiot, it REALLY makes you look bad, not that I had a good impression anyway.

The reason for the now and earlier comment relates to 2 different posts that Knicks fan made, again please, learn to read and comprehend, seriously, I think RealGM needs an IQ test before they let every incest child sign-up, it really makes the human race look terrible. BTW, lol at you comparing IQ to basketball knowledge, honestly you clearly have none of either so why don't you go play somewhere else, I'm kind of busy here having discussions with grown men. Child.

So what happened to this BS complaint about chemistry earlier then? Is that not a factor anymore?

this statement implies that you dont need time to gel..thanks

[vincecarter4pres]

Well, Boston didn't...

[treiz]

When did I say that just because they're experienced that they gel straight away? That was what your fellow Knicks fan was trying to prove and I was saying no, that's impossible. Seriously, please learn to read and comprehend before you call others idiot, it REALLY makes you look bad, not that I had a good impression anyway.

The reason for the now and earlier comment relates to 2 different posts that Knicks fan made, again please, learn to read and comprehend, seriously, I think RealGM needs an IQ test before they let every incest child sign-up, it really makes the human race look terrible. BTW, lol at you comparing IQ to basketball knowledge, honestly you clearly have none of either so why don't you go play somewhere else, I'm kind of busy here having discussions with grown men. Child.

So what happened to this BS complaint about chemistry earlier then? Is that not a factor anymore?

this statement implies that you dont need time to gel..thanks

Notice the question mark? It's not a statement, it's me questioning what he said earlier and how it contradicts what he's saying now. It was more of a sarcastic question, did I really need to use green font?

And your welcome.