New Thoughts on David West

[Ronito]

Just read through.....some quick comments.
5- I reamain of the core mindset that its superstars or bust. If we make any moves at all that hurt our chance to sign or trade a for a legit big three by adding anyone less than than with long term signing...I say bad move. For me that will simply trump all. As I play the chess board in my mind...and hear all the arguments about what we have to do for fear of losing Deron...or the so caled needs this team has and how so and so helps this or that...I see the NBA and where this is going. Superstars first...tweak later. 2012 is a window for us. I think we should take it and try to join a couple of greats together. It will be a shame if we add pieces that prevent any shot

This. To further this point, I think we just need to wait it out/hope for a lockout. Nets need to keep their payroll low as possible. Amnesty clause kicks in, we get rid of Outlaw. Then we can even pick up good players who had bad contracts for cheap but find themselves as free agents.

[orecchio14]

I know an amnesty close in theory would help the Nets.

Being able to press the undo button on Travis Outlaw's contract would put NJ in a nice spot.

However, looking around the league at how many TRULY CRIPPLING contracts are out there and also at how FEW RELAVENT TEAMS will be under the cap the next few years, maybe the amnesty clause in that sense wouldn't be nearly as positive as it would be for other teams in the league?

I mean, Outlaw's contract is bad, yes. But there are other much worse contracts around the league and I don't neccessarily view Outlaw's 7 Mil PER as a real franchise killer the way some other contracts are.

Maybe the Nets would be better off WITHOUT an amnesty? Just cross your fingers and hope Outlaw becomes a servicible backup?

Just another take on it...

[enetric]

I know an amnesty close in theory would help the Nets.

Being able to press the undo button on Travis Outlaw's contract would put NJ in a nice spot.

However, looking around the league at how many TRULY CRIPPLING contracts are out there and also at how FEW RELAVENT TEAMS will be under the cap the next few years, maybe the amnesty clause in that sense wouldn't be nearly as positive as it would be for other teams in the league?

I mean, Outlaw's contract is bad, yes. But there are other much worse contracts around the league and I don't neccessarily view Outlaw's 7 Mil PER as a real franchise killer the way some other contracts are.

Maybe the Nets would be better off WITHOUT an amnesty? Just cross your fingers and hope Outlaw becomes a servicible backup?

Just another take on it...

Enetric cokie for you. Way to think outside the box....and I see your point. Could increase the supply of teams with 2012 cap space to compete with.

Hey...we can dump Farmar, Petro and even Morrow if need be. We do have options here if we are stuck with Outlaw.

[BOONE SQUAD]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_18380674

BOOM. Nene opted out. For the love of god if the Nets are going to blow a chunk of cap space on signing someone this offseason let it be him...

[jeff1624]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_18380674

BOOM. Nene opted out. For the love of god if the Nets are going to blow a chunk of cap space on signing someone this offseason let it be him...

What would you offer him?

[enetric]

So what do we think. GUys are opting out because they are scared at what the salaries will look like at their level after a new CBA? If there is a lockout wont get paid anyway...so hey.

I would absolutely prefer Nene over West or Hump. I agree with you.

[BOONE SQUAD]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_18380674

BOOM. Nene opted out. For the love of god if the Nets are going to blow a chunk of cap space on signing someone this offseason let it be him...

What would you offer him?

Hard to say... Nene will be 29 in September, so I think the difficulty in signing him will be getting the years just right.

It's going to take a decent amount to land him though as I could see a desperate enough team dropping $60 million over 5 years on him.

I could live with the Nets to inking him for $50 million over 4 years.

$11,160,714
$12,053,571
$12,946,429
$13,839,286*

Anything more than that I'm not sure I could stomach it. Nene alone won't make the Nets an elite team but he would be a welcomed step in the right direction...

*Ideally the contract would be structured so it's a flat $12,500,000 a year. I'd be fine with making the last year a player option as well.

I feel around $9-11 million a year is "fair" value for Nene so ideally the Nets could ink him to a contract where he averages that amount per year. The above scenario is the upper limit on what I'd consider offering him.

[orecchio14]

I think thats alot of money for Nene.

Too much? Hard to say. I know alot of these advanced metric stats have him painted as an elite defender. Offensively, while his game may be pleasing and fluid asthetically, his numbers are extremely pedestrian and he isn't a tremendouse rebounder either.

All that being said, he would be an awfully nice pick and roll compliment with Deron.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think that's the base you're looking at, if the CBA stays similar I could easily see a team giving him 5 years and $70 million.

It's way too much money, but it's probably reality.

[BOONE SQUAD]

Eh... Noah got a 5 year $60 million extension same as Al Horford, whenever Aldridge was extended he got 5 years $65 million, Boozer inked for 5 years $75 million...

Unless someone David Lees his ass, I find it hard to see Nene's deal approaching $70 million... For all his positives that I outlined before Nene is only an average rebounder (7.7 per game over the last 3 years) and shot blocker (1.1 per game over the last 3 years)...

[N Ireland Nets]

We need to move away from looking to resign Hump is he is looking for roughly 8million, I'd rather let Hump go and sign Nene for 12million and have a top class front court of Nene and Lopez.

Add in the fact that Nene is a much better trade piece than Hump in any future deal involving Howard or a top wing player. So yeh I'd be all over signing Nene, he is a great defender and I think if he moved to PF to play with DWill he would explode and cause a hell of alot of miss matches for teams in the paint.

Nets for Nene!!

I could see the pacers offering silly money to Nene to get him though

[enetric]

Eh... Noah got a 5 year $60 million extension same as Al Horford, whenever Aldridge was extended he got 5 years $65 million, Boozer inked for 5 years $75 million...

Unless someone David Lees his ass, I find it hard to see Nene's deal approaching $70 million... For all his positives that I outlined before Nene is only an average rebounder (7.7 per game over the last 3 years) and shot blocker (1.1 per game over the last 3 years)...

THe thing you have to factor in...is free agency. Guys get over paid to leave their current teams all the time. Probably your largest pool of over paid guys were signed as free agents by a new team.

[vincecarter4pres]

Eh... Noah got a 5 year $60 million extension same as Al Horford, whenever Aldridge was extended he got 5 years $65 million, Boozer inked for 5 years $75 million...

Unless someone David Lees his ass, I find it hard to see Nene's deal approaching $70 million... For all his positives that I outlined before Nene is only an average rebounder (7.7 per game over the last 3 years) and shot blocker (1.1 per game over the last 3 years)...

The difference is this guy will be on the open market, those were extensions signed a year before these guys could even hit free agency and something of hometown discounts in a sense.

Boozer is more the guy to look at.

I don't think he'll get that type of money, but on the other hand I think it's very realistic and possible.

It doesn't really matter if Nene is worth the money as it's more important to think what teams out there will be after him and what they'll have to offer to get him to come there.

I think the new CBA will cut contract length by a year, so even if the numbers remain similar, I think free agents going to other teams will only be allowed to be signed for 4 years.

I don't want to assume much of anything else, there's way too many variables.

That said, I think you'll see him get 4 years for $50 to $55 million.

[Pacerlive]

We need to move away from looking to resign Hump is he is looking for roughly 8million, I'd rather let Hump go and sign Nene for 12million and have a top class front court of Nene and Lopez.

Add in the fact that Nene is a much better trade piece than Hump in any future deal involving Howard or a top wing player. So yeh I'd be all over signing Nene, he is a great defender and I think if he moved to PF to play with DWill he would explode and cause a hell of alot of miss matches for teams in the paint.

Nets for Nene!!

I could see the pacers offering silly money to Nene to get him though

Did someone say Pacers and silly money....

I am not sure what the Pacers will offer Nene or Dwest. One thing is for sure is that Dwest is not going for a one year deal. He turned down an extension and I think the Pacers would poney up 9 mill per year for him.

Many Pacer fans think that we will take whatever the Nets don't because of the risk of over paying.
IF you guys go after Nene with a 13 mill per year contract then we sign Dwest. I know we had a lot of like Dwest as our top option preinjury. Now I am not sure who will be the target.

The best thing that happened for both teams is the Casp and JJ HIckson trade. Thats one less team to bid against.