Lockout Over

[vincecarter4pres]

Yes, by the end of the season.

BK seems to make his big splashes through trade anyhow.

[SpeedyG]

Well, by the time BK took over, FA was pretty much done, so his only avenue was trades, and he made a shortsighted one. So far, everything BK's done is all about the NOW. I don't know why that's going to change.

[vincecarter4pres]

Well, by the time BK took over, FA was pretty much done, so his only avenue was trades, and he made a shortsighted one. So far, everything BK's done is all about the NOW. I don't know why that's going to change.

I share your concerns.

Outside the Deron trade I'm not seeing a ton of good moves he's done.

Somehow he managed to give away two 2nd round picks for the Lakers 27th overall pick while absorbing Sasha's contract even though deals like that usually are the 1st for the cap space, no added incentive needed to be added by us.



He then traded T Will cause control freak Avery couldn't handle his personality, who although not some blue chip prospect had to be worth a 1st round pick that has a better chance to come to fruition sooner then that Rockets pick.

Maybe the Rockets make a big trade or somehow come together under McHale and they make the playoffs this year. Then that move looks quite fine. But if not and they go into a rebuild, that pick won't belong to us til 2015 or 2016 in all likelihood.



Don't get me started on the Troy Murphy trade... Gives away Courtney Lee and indirectly gifts Bird Darren Collison, who again isn't a great player by any stretch of the imagination, but Murphy would have been a guy Indiana would have begged teams to take for pure cap a couple months down the line from the original trade if they still had him.

So Bird gets to turn a negative asset into a starting point guard, albeit below average, while we give up a prospect/player who would have flourished with Deron on rookie contract?

The move made no sense to a team in a rebuild either. Add to that, we could have made another trade like the Sasha one and absorbed expiring for another first, or after trading for Deron could have even absorbed a good player who expired in 2012 that would have helped for last year and this.

And last but not least, the other obvious option. There had to be someone who would have wound up giving us a mid to late first in last year's semi-weak draft for Lee on draft night, which would have provided another spot of upside on the super cheap and a simultaneous future trade asset.



Yeah, I'm with you Speedy. Billy basically walked into Deron being gifted to us and at the same time he definitely overpaid no matter what you think of Deron.

That trade package is literally one of the biggest returns in NBA history no matter what becomes of the specific players like Favors and Kanter and whoever they get with that GSW pick.

All that matters is the actual trade value each of those pieces had at that moment and absolutely until this year's deadline minimum.

And all this for a player who might walk and leave this franchise in shambles becoming the running joke of the league for the next decade.



Blind homers want to coo about Billy like he's the king of the GM's, but everything he's done has been questionable outside the Deron deal and even that has it's quirks although he was definitely told to find a franchise cornerstone in trade by Proky so he might have had to overpay and certainly had to take a risk in that spot.

[SpeedyG]

Absolutely, I think everyone loved the Deron Williams trade. It is stiff price, no doubt, but one he had to make. Basically, my stance on BK is prove me wrong. He shows me what he's got this season, and I'll start singing his praise. But the whole Melo deal was a mess, and we really did kind of luck out into landing Deron.

Show me Billy...but right now, I think his track record still leaves me questioning whether he can pull this off.

[NyCeEvO]

I know that I was one of the few that didn't love the D-Will trade. It was ok to me, but it wasn't great. VC was ecstatic and then once he got off the high, he saw the same thing that a few of us saw when we first heard of the trade.

We gave up quite a bit and there's no guarantee that we'll strike gold. We put all of our eggs into one basket and we just have to hope that everything turns out good.