Woj: Nets High on Nene's List

[vincecarter4pres]

Nene on a max is not a good consolation prize. It's like 4 years and around $80 million.

I love Nene, but anything over 4 years and $60 is Rashard Lewis v2.0 in a slightly better form.

[stephGRAHAMbury]

I really don't understand why Orlando would want Nene if they were to trade / lose Howard. Nene isn't exactly a young-pup anymore and he's not a Pau Gasol level impact player...

To answer your question though assuming the salary cap is the same as it was last year ($58.044 million) then the max contract the Nets could offer Nene (without doing a sign-and-trade) would look like this:

Total:
Years: 4
Amount: $74,354,364

By Year:
Year 1: 2011-2012: $17,413,200
Year 2: 2012-2013: $18,196,794
Year 3: 2013-2014: $18,980,388
Year 4: 2014-2015: $19,763,982

Under no circumstance is Nene worth that kind of money.

*Nene's maximum contract value in year 1 is 30% of the salary cap. After that as a non-bird free agent he is eligible to receive 4.5% raises per year for a maximum of 3 years (contract total = 4).

[vincecarter4pres]

I thought the cap was about $58.5 million?

[stephGRAHAMbury]

Que?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5362260

[stephGRAHAMbury]

Here are a handful of extensions / big free agent big men signings that have occurred the last 2-3 years:

Joakim Noah:
Years: 5
Value: $60 million

Carlos Boozer:
Years: 5
Value: $75 million

Zach Randolph:
Years: 4
Value: $66 million

Luis Scola:
Years: 5
Value: $47 million

Andrea Bargnani:
Years: 5
Value: $50 million

With the above in mind $13 million a year is still the max I would offer Nene, I'd probably throw in a full 20% signing bonus (and restructure the contract accordingly) but for all he brings to the table Nene does have some notable deficiencies as well...

[NyCeEvO]

So what's the max Nene can get from us?? because i doubt he'll come here if it isn't the max....Say we did sign him to a max contract,How long until we can trade him?He would be a good consolation prize for Orlando if they're going to lose/trade DH.

In theory, Nene could get a max contract from a team, including us.

Will he? I strongly doubt it because he's not a superstar.

If this were a full 82 game regular season, we would be able to trade him after a specific date in December when you're officially allowed to trade the FA acquisition a team made in the summer. In this shortened season, we haven't heard of what that date would be.

We have to hear back from Orlando first about what they're doing with D12. If they say they're going to start the season with him, then yes, we can get players because it would be clear that Orlando is willing to forfeit having a top pick in this year's draft in order to pressure Dwight into staying. (People keep mentioning that the Minny pick that the Clippers have will be a very high pick but I personally think that the T'Wolves won't be a bottom 5 team with Rubio, Love, Derrick WIlliams, Beasley, and Wes Johnson there.)

If Orlando decides to trade Dwight at the deadline, it will almost guarantee that Orlando plans to use whatever pieces they get back from a D12 trade to remain contenders.

In this case, a Lopez + Nene deal would probably still be one of the best deals because Lopez + Nene is younger and cheaper than a Gasol + Bynum deal. Either way, we still have a solid shot at getting Dwight if Orlando decides to trade him.

[vincecarter4pres]

Here are a handful of extensions / big free agent big men signings that have occurred the last 2-3 years:

Joakim Noah:
Years: 5
Value: $60 million

Carlos Boozer:
Years: 5
Value: $75 million

Zach Randolph:
Years: 4
Value: $66 million

Luis Scola:
Years: 5
Value: $47 million

Andrea Bargnani:
Years: 5
Value: $50 million

With the above in mind $13 million a year is still the max I would offer Nene, I'd probably throw in a full 20% signing bonus (and restructure the contract accordingly) but for all he brings to the table Nene does have some notable deficiencies as well...

To note though, all but Boozer were extensions or resigns with their own team and I think that is the glaring detail that should tell us something.

Also, Scola even for his age was quite the bargain, that 5th year at about $9.5 mill IIRC is completely unguaranteed(it's definitely unguaranteed, just don't remember the exact amount).

I'm not arguing against you, I agree, I wouldn't sign him to more then $14, well I would go that high, but $12.5 to $13 is the ideal maximum.

But what I'm saying is it wouldn't necessarily make me expect him to get that much, he's an open market marque free agent big man of younger age in a weak class.

[stephGRAHAMbury]

Extension or not all of those guys easily could have been free agents, the real key though is that just about all those players who signed extensions were younger and with more upside than Nene when they inked those deals.

I'm not really sure what Nene's agent can argue to push Nene's new contract into $70 million territory...

[N Ireland Nets]

Would it be possible to flip Nene to someone in desperate need of a big like Toronto or Golden State for some assets to trade to Orlando like more picks, young players etc?

[Jersey Generals]

Possible, sure, but depending on the contract, it becomes less and less likely.


A Nene signed to a contract worth 12 million a year? Sure, he's very tradeable. A Nene signed to a contract worth 15 million a year? Not so much.

[SpeedyG]

Que?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5362260

New York? Chicago? What am I missing here?

[stephGRAHAMbury]

I was using last year's cap number and showing McPasty where the number came from.

[Born_Ready]

the more i think about this possible addition, the more i like the idea of adding nene.

[SteveNets15]

I really don't understand why Orlando would want Nene if they were to trade / lose Howard. Nene isn't exactly a young-pup anymore and he's not a Pau Gasol level impact player...

To answer your question though assuming the salary cap is the same as it was last year ($58.044 million) then the max contract the Nets could offer Nene (without doing a sign-and-trade) would look like this:

Total:
Years: 4
Amount: $74,354,364

By Year:
Year 1: 2011-2012: $17,413,200
Year 2: 2012-2013: $18,196,794
Year 3: 2013-2014: $18,980,388
Year 4: 2014-2015: $19,763,982

Under no circumstance is Nene worth that kind of money.

*Nene's maximum contract value in year 1 is 30% of the salary cap. After that as a non-bird free agent he is eligible to receive 4.5% raises per year for a maximum of 3 years (contract total = 4).

Wow thanks didn't know it was that high.I hope BK doesn't go that far but i still think we'll have to overpay.I could see Nene coming away with 14-15 mill per year when its all said and done.BK has to see if Orlando is interested in him and how much they're willing to pay him.I think Orlando has to be happy getting this years top FA,Brook and draft picks for DH since they could lose him for nothing.Unless they'd rather start over with capspace and draft picks but I have feeling they're going to try to stay competitive.

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't think a Nene signing closes the door on Dwight, but I think you have to be realistic and say it puts a pretty big damper on it and if that's the case Billy and Bobby know more about the situation then they would care to share.

At that point I think we go in another direction.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see our two big acquisitions this offseason wind up Nene and Danny Granger, then either resign the Hump or go after a shooting guard with about $7 mill in remaining cap space and fill the other whole with the mini-mini-MLE.

I think you'd be more likely to see the Hump resigned at that point cause any of the shooting guards left are either unrealistic for that kind of coin(Afflalo,Nick Young,J Rich,Thornton), awful players(Crawful) or not worth nearly that much(Carter,T Mac,Willie Green,etc.).

With the mini-mini-MLE then I think you'll see a guy like DeShawn Stevenson, Willie Green or Delonte West added.

Final lineup to start the year looking like:

PG: Deron Williams/Sundiate Gaines/Delonte West
SG: Delonte West/Anthony Morrow
SF: Danny Granger/Anthony Morrow
PF: Nene/Kris Humphries/Jordan Williams
C: Brook Lopez/Kris Humphries/Jordan Williams

That would be your 10 man rotation with some minimum signings to fill out the bench.

[jeff1624]

Is it possible to aqcuire Dwight and Turkoglu is we signed Nene to a 14 mil contract?

With the new 150% trading rule I think it is.

[vincecarter4pres]

Is it possible to aqcuire Dwight and Turkoglu is we signed Nene to a 14 mil contract?

With the new 150% trading rule I think it is.

I was trying to figure this out myself.

I tweeted Larry Coon about it twice and he hasn't gotten back to me, he's usually good about answering tweets too, he's hit me back a number of times through the lockout.

I'm gonna hit him up again about it.

In his ESPN article it says 150% or $5 million, the lesser of as long as the trade doesn't put you in the tax.

I don't know if that was a typo or a serious overlooked **** up in the new CBA, maybe just a Freudian slip in the wording that they don't even realize, or it was strategic.

If that is the case and it is right, it's actually a major disadvantage to teams below the tax.

Say a trade is $30 million in salary, a tax team can send out only $22.5 million, yet a team out of the tax that does not go into the tax after the trade can only send out $25 million.

IDK man, I want answers!

[stephGRAHAMbury]

Is it possible to aqcuire Dwight and Turkoglu is we signed Nene to a 14 mil contract?

With the new 150% trading rule I think it is.

Jeff it seems that with some finagling it would be possible for the Nets to sign Nene to a contract starting at $14,000,000 a year AND trade for Dwight and Hedo.

Financially your idea would work If the Nets used amnesty on Outlaw and sent out:

Brook Lopez
Jordan Farmar
Johan Petro
Damion James
MarShon Brooks
Jordan Williams

*I'm still using the 2010-2011 cap numbers and the 2011-2012 numbers will likely be slightly higher.

*Ideally the Nets would find some way to replace one of the above players with Stephen Graham (whose contract I'm assuming will become guaranteed this season), but beggers can't be choosers as at the same time the Magic would ideally want Morrow instead of Petro or Farmar...

*Nets would obviously have to renounce the rights to Humphries, etc. as well

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That would leave the Nets with the following team:

PG: Deron WIlliams / Sundiata Gaines
SG: Anthony Morrow
SF: Hedo Turkoglu / Stephen Graham
PF: Nene /
C: Dwight Howard /

[jeff1624]

If we were to sign Nene we would have roughly 6+ mil left in cap space.

Add that to Brook's 3,076,983, Petro's 3,250,000 and Farmar's 4,000,000. That would be 17 mil, give or take. Since Dwight and Turkoglu combine to make 29,107,620. We'd only need 3 million to make it possible, what with the 150% rule, no?

Or is it like VC says, will it take at least 24,107,620 to make it work?..

[stephGRAHAMbury]

I believe we would need to send out at least $24,106,620 to make the deal work (and I just realized I used the 2010-2011 numbers for Dwight and Hedo in my last post, so you can ignore it).

Also I don't think the 150% is applied to outgoing cap space.