D-Will WFAN Interview

[NyCeEvO]

Been a while since I last posted here...Enetric, JerseyJac and all you guys still around?

On topic...great interview. DWill is an intelligent, well thought out instrospective type. Without worrying about percentages etc. I think he will definitely stay if he sees hope for a title contender. Being on a big stage with a great owner, proven coach, and hopefully quality teammates is not something he will turn down...or the extrat cash for that matter. Glad to hear him say his odds of staying are this high...I believe him. If he isn't a Brooklyn Net next year, it will mean something very very wrong has happened with our current free agent process and season.

E hasn't been around in months. It's been a while for JJ too.

I agree with everything you said about the interview. If D-Will isn't here next year, it will only be because we did not do well getting FAs and had a subpar season.

Did they leave, or just vanish from the board? What about Hansel, SpeedyG, VC4President, etc?

This always was a great board, just lost time for it...always check NetsDaily for news, but this was THE place for chat for a long time.

I don't think they left. Just when you think E has really gone, he comes back and tears everyone to shreds and VC goes back to being 2nd place lol jk.

VC is alive and well. I'm sure he'll comment soon. Speedy has started popping in again.

Hansel hasn't been around though.

[JoseRizal]

As long as we get someone good who can improve the team I'll be happy. If we don't land one of the big names soon, I fear we will overpay another scrub to be on our team

Agree. The perception of overpaying a big name is far acceptable than overpaying a scrub... (cough, Outlawl..)

[vincecarter4pres]

Been a while since I last posted here...Enetric, JerseyJac and all you guys still around?

On topic...great interview. DWill is an intelligent, well thought out instrospective type. Without worrying about percentages etc. I think he will definitely stay if he sees hope for a title contender. Being on a big stage with a great owner, proven coach, and hopefully quality teammates is not something he will turn down...or the extrat cash for that matter. Glad to hear him say his odds of staying are this high...I believe him. If he isn't a Brooklyn Net next year, it will mean something very very wrong has happened with our current free agent process and season.

E hasn't been around in months. It's been a while for JJ too.

I agree with everything you said about the interview. If D-Will isn't here next year, it will only be because we did not do well getting FAs and had a subpar season.

Did they leave, or just vanish from the board? What about Hansel, SpeedyG, VC4President, etc?

This always was a great board, just lost time for it...always check NetsDaily for news, but this was THE place for chat for a long time.

What's good homie?

[SpeedyG]

Been a while since I last posted here...Enetric, JerseyJac and all you guys still around?

On topic...great interview. DWill is an intelligent, well thought out instrospective type. Without worrying about percentages etc. I think he will definitely stay if he sees hope for a title contender. Being on a big stage with a great owner, proven coach, and hopefully quality teammates is not something he will turn down...or the extrat cash for that matter. Glad to hear him say his odds of staying are this high...I believe him. If he isn't a Brooklyn Net next year, it will mean something very very wrong has happened with our current free agent process and season.

E hasn't been around in months. It's been a while for JJ too.

I agree with everything you said about the interview. If D-Will isn't here next year, it will only be because we did not do well getting FAs and had a subpar season.

Did they leave, or just vanish from the board? What about Hansel, SpeedyG, VC4President, etc?

This always was a great board, just lost time for it...always check NetsDaily for news, but this was THE place for chat for a long time.

Dude I posted like...4 posts before this one lol

[vincecarter4pres]

As long as we get someone good who can improve the team I'll be happy. If we don't land one of the big names soon, I fear we will overpay another scrub to be on our team

Agree. The perception of overpaying a big name is far acceptable than overpaying a scrub... (cough, Outlawl..)

Agreed.

Phoenix is a great example.

Sure, giving Amar'e 5 years and $100 million isn't a great move, but was giving Childress, Frye and Warrick pretty much the same money a better idea?

So they filled a bunch of holes and positions, but with a collection of tin cans and broken beer bottles and one bottle of Malta Goya they left out in the sun all day.

At least Amar'e would have been a tradeable asset. Aside from Warrick those guys are going to be impossible to move and I wouldn't doubt they amnesty Chill.

I am not advocate of maxing Nene, but is it better to give Butler $30 million and Kris Humprhies or David West $35 to $50 million?

I'll take Nene and play Damion James big minutes please...

[vincecarter4pres]

This is how I feel about the Nene/Chandler debate.

Nene's contract will be bad, Chandler's in 2 years will be horrific.

Nene will never be able to live up to a contract that big, Chandler not only will never be able to live up to a contract that big, it’s inevitable he’ll be injured through most of it.

This is the same guy that played 16mpg for the Bobcats in the playoffs on a team that people tried to claim he lead to the playoffs and through a hard fought series.

I’m definitely more pro Nene, but I like Chandler, but a literal dime over $45 mill will be a MAJOR regret.

$45 is an overpay for Chandler, but it is his basic value compared to other bigs such as himself, probably a touch over.

$40 for 4 is probably his dead real value.

That will never happen though.

Nene, even if his contract is a big overpay will not be a player you scroll onto the box score and cringe when you see his name in a few years.

He’ll just be very hard to move in trade if needed and will clog the cap some.

Chandler’s deal will cripple the cap.

It isn’t even a question in my mind that Chandler will have at least 2 60 or under game seasons out of the 4 he’s signed too without any major freak knee injury or the such.

Just nagging stuff and repeats of his lingering foot and shoulder problems.

[DarkXaero]

This is how I feel about the Nene/Chandler debate.

Nene's contract will be bad, Chandler's in 2 years will be horrific.

Nene will never be able to live up to a contract that big, Chandler not only will never be able to live up to a contract that big, it’s inevitable he’ll be injured through most of it.

This is the same guy that played 16mpg for the Bobcats in the playoffs on a team that people tried to claim he lead to the playoffs and through a hard fought series.

I’m definitely more pro Nene, but I like Chandler, but a literal dime over $45 mill will be a MAJOR regret.

$45 is an overpay for Chandler, but it is his basic value compared to other bigs such as himself, probably a touch over.

$40 for 4 is probably his dead real value.

That will never happen though.

Nene, even if his contract is a big overpay will not be a player you scroll onto the box score and cringe when you see his name in a few years.

He’ll just be very hard to move in trade if needed and will clog the cap some.

Chandler’s deal will cripple the cap.

It isn’t even a question in my mind that Chandler will have at least 2 60 or under game seasons out of the 4 he’s signed too without any major freak knee injury or the such.

Just nagging stuff and repeats of his lingering foot and shoulder problems.

It really is a bad scenario. I pretty much agree with all that you said. Whoever we sign out of the two, it is certainly going to be a bad contract long-term. Like you said, Chandler has serious health concerns (and generally being overpaid regardless of health). While Nene is a good player but not worth whatever he is going to get. Then there is also the question of who is the better fit for us, and it's likely to be Chandler, especially if we plan to play Brook as PF. But then in the end, we have no choice but to go after them because they're the biggest names in the FA, and we have to make playoffs this season. It's simply not possible to make playoffs without major improvements to the current roster.

[SpeedyG]

Like I said, this is the absolute worst case scenario for us. Best case was a full on lockout and loss of 2011-2012 season. Now, we see Billy going into panic mode and signing these guys for ridiculous moolah

[vincecarter4pres]

Like I said, this is the absolute worst case scenario for us. Best case was a full on lockout and loss of 2011-2012 season. Now, we see Billy going into panic mode and signing these guys for ridiculous moolah

"But but but bu bu bu but bu bu butttttt Billy's this amazing trader, he'd never just blow the cap on mediocre to awful FA'!"



We'll see though, certainly nothing is official yet. Hell, he could pull a Dwight Howard trade out of his hind quarters and we'll all celebrate him and build him a statue outside the Swamp.

A lot of this could be smokescreens. But I'm more of the, "Where there's smoke there's fire" camp.


It seems as though we've actually made a $7 mill a year offer, I'm not sure I see him turning that down if it's at least 3 years.

How could you make this guy your first signing either?

The 3 is such an easy position to fill.

You still haven't locked up a marquee starting 4/5.

Guys haven't even been amnestied yet.


We'll see.


I was sick last night when hearing it, but I'm going to take a wait and see approach.
It's not like we can control anything, it just sucks if we're right, cause a majority of us on here, especially the regulars, we all held out collective breath the day our team signed Billy and Avery.
We all voiced the same concerns.
We all said, "OK Billy, please make me look stupid. Show you've learned from your past mistakes."

The funny part is, you could say maybe he didn't think his past moves were mistakes, so he wouldn't change, but he even said in a few interviews he knew he made mistakes such as big contracts to suspect players during his time in Philly.
Now first chance he gets? Wham, let's give out more of those.



I don't really care what anyone wants to say about them being the professionals and knowing better, because real life FO's make awful decisions on a daily basis.


I'm sorry, I know I'm being extremely repetitive and downright annoying right now, long winded and such(who me?), I apologize for that, but how can't these guys see it? How can they not put their foot down and say sorry Deron, this is a bad signing and we'll explain to you why?


Caron Butler has never, in his entire career played a full season. Ever. And we're talking a majority of those seasons with huge chunks of missed games, not just 76 games out of 82 where I'm using them to fuel a hyperbolic agenda.

He's going to be 32 this season, halfway through the season.

He has been on a decline the last couple seasons.

Most all NBA players fall off a cliff around 33, after a slight decline the 2 years before.

He relies a lot on his athleticism.

He has a reputation as a hard nosed defender, yet anyone who has watched him play a lot the last few seasons will tell you he's apathetic on that end of the floor now.

He can work decent off the ball but really needs the ball in his hands to excel.

He has been epically overrated for years. This is a guy with WS's and WS/48 WAAAAAY below league average basically his entire career. And that's not some outlier advanced stat. He's super inefficient most years. His offensive rating is awful. Etc., etc., etc.

People keep propping him up as this main cog in a great Dallas team. He played 29 games for them last year and they went on to win a title without him, with guys like DeShawn Stephenson and Peja in his place. And this one I'm not sure of, but IIRC, they became more efficient, higher scoring, etc., after Caron went down.

Last but not least he is coming off a major knee injury and surgery, again soon to be 32.


There isn't like 1 positive in there.


He is the epitome of a super high risk, low to medium reward signing.


Amazing.


Alright, that's the last post I'll make on the subject that's longer then 3 or 4 sentences.


Sorry for the tl;dr

[SpeedyG]

In fairness, Caron WAS playing well before he got hurt. But thing is, he did get hurt, and it's a major injury at that. It just does not make sense. Honestly, we need to be signing all these veteran guys that are getting minimums and what not...not spending $7M on Butler.

There's a litany of SFs out there who can do what Butler can do, and at a fraction of a price.