Mayo Deal in the Works?

[treiz]

Deron Williams+OJ Mayo

The guy with black shirt clutching his face

[BlueDawn]

Deron Williams+OJ Mayo

The guy with black shirt clutching his face

I love that part

There's a video he has out there, I only saw one though, nontheless it had me in tears! "WE OUT HERE BREATHIN' SINCE DAY 1 NYAMEAN? NYAMEAN?"

[SpeedyG]

Deron Williams+OJ Mayo

This folks...is the future of this country.

[BVPN]

Any updates? Is this happening?

[vincecarter4pres]

Honestly I doubt it. I do think you'll see something out of nowhere though, such as Batum for a pick, Damion James and Farmar or Morrow somehow in a 3 team.

Just one example, so don't go all super homer off the deep end when you read this random Portland lurker!

[lilojmayo]

Any updates? Is this happening?

Rumblings in Grizz Nation is that they are going to be monitoring OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay closely. From now til deadline. They are now thinking about trading Rudy Gay's contract, and keeping OJ. OJ has been showing more of the "it" factor, closing games better, more gritty on D. Even in his limited minutes ( only plays 2nd quarter and 4th quartes). One of them will most likely be gone by deadline ( for financial reasons) and it isnt a slam dunk anymore that it will be OJ anymore

OJ last night had 14 fourth quarter points, and big defensive plays. Grizz fans were crossing their fingers that Gay wouldn't disturb on the onslaught OJ was having. OJ has done this a few times this season so it isn't a one thing wonder type of thing. Grizz fans are finally seeing the light OJ is a 20+ ppg right now on most NBA teams if starting and seeing 35 minutes. OJ is now shooting 45 % FG 44% 3pt ( better than Morrow a 3pt specialis) . He is ready to go HAM in the NBA , but his coach for disclosed reason doesn't want that to happen.

http://www.nba.com/video/games/hornets/ ... index.html

OJ's off the dribble danger 3 pointer at 2:12 in to seal the game. Well damn Juice, that's poetry in motion that jumper of yours.

[N Ireland Nets]

Any updates? Is this happening?

Rumblings in Grizz Nation is that they are going to be monitoring OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay closely. From now til deadline. They are now thinking about trading Rudy Gay's contract, and keeping OJ. OJ has been showing more of the "it" factor, closing games better, more gritty on D. Even in his limited minutes ( only plays 2nd quarter and 4th quartes). One of them will most likely be gone by deadline ( for financial reasons) and it isnt a slam dunk anymore that it will be OJ anymore

OJ last night had 14 fourth quarter points, and big defensive plays. Grizz fans were crossing their fingers that Gay wouldn't disturb on the onslaught OJ was having. OJ has done this a few times this season so it isn't a one thing wonder type of thing. Grizz fans are finally seeing the light OJ is a 20+ ppg right now on most NBA teams if starting and seeing 35 minutes. OJ is now shooting 45 % FG 44% 3pt ( better than Morrow a 3pt specialis) . He is ready to go HAM in the NBA , but his coach for disclosed reason doesn't want that to happen.

http://www.nba.com/video/games/hornets/ ... index.html

OJ's off the dribble danger 3 pointer at 2:12 in to seal the game. Well damn Juice, that's poetry in motion that jumper of yours.

If I'm Billy King I'd trade Lopez for Gay or work a 3 team trade to bring whoever the Grizzles want to add.

But obviously you only do it if we somehow get Howard as a free agent.

Then you look to move Lopez for a wing then OJ gets to stay in Memphis along with who they want in a Lopez trade.

[Born_Ready]

^^ I'd be okay with this trade.

[vincecarter4pres]

Shawne Williams and Petro would have to be part of the outgoing salary, Farmar would have to be in this deal or a separate one and Damion James option would need to be declined or he would need to be traded for a likely early 2nd or something along those lines.

And even then you have to dump Morrow to keep max cap open for Dwight.

[N Ireland Nets]

Shawne Williams and Petro would have to be part of the outgoing salary, Farmar would have to be in this deal or a separate one and Damion James option would need to be declined or he would need to be traded for a likely early 2nd or something along those lines.

And even then you have to dump Morrow to keep max cap open for Dwight.

I was just keeping it simple and looking to move Lopez for Gay in the summer after Howard signs.

I know we talk about it alot but trading for Gay makes all kinds of sense.

D Will
Brooks
Gay
2012 1st rd pick
Howard

That's a contender people, obviously we're dreaming but it could happen

[vincecarter4pres]

Shawne Williams and Petro would have to be part of the outgoing salary, Farmar would have to be in this deal or a separate one and Damion James option would need to be declined or he would need to be traded for a likely early 2nd or something along those lines.

And even then you have to dump Morrow to keep max cap open for Dwight.

I was just keeping it simple and looking to move Lopez for Gay in the summer after Howard signs.

I know we talk about it alot but trading for Gay makes all kinds of sense.

D Will
Brooks
Gay
2012 1st rd pick
Howard

That's a contender people, obviously we're dreaming but it could happen

Well that's the super complicated way of doing it, because then you have to get Lopez to agree to the S&T and on top of that, whether he's super talented or not, what does Memphis do with Brook?

Personally, when I bring up a Gay for Brook swap I'm saying it as an 11th hour deadline deal this year with a 3rd or 4th team taking Brook and sending huge value and a good fit to Memphis, like that one I had with Boston with Rondo and Dudley going to Memphis and Brook with Conley going to the Celtics while we moved all our 2012 salary.

Brook, Morrow, Farmar and Damion James for Gay is proper value for both sides IMHO in some shape or form and I snuck Petro and Shawne in there as well, might have to include something like the Rockets pick to make up for some of that salary depending on the 3rd or 4th teams though, but Lopez himself doesn't help or make sense for Memphis with Gasol and Randolph on their roster and doesn't help or make sense for us if we retain so much salary we can't sign Dwight.

[N Ireland Nets]

I loved ur trade with Boston and Memphis but just thought an easier way would be for us to resign Lopez after we get Williams and Howard.

Move on as in till before the start of next season or in the off season then trade for Gay with Lopez on his big new long term deal with a 3rd team involved.

Or am I missing something, is there a period where a player can't be traded after signing a new deal of a few months or something?

[vincecarter4pres]

One thing I think of though, is MarShon the real deal? Does he pan out as a 20ppg go to type of scorer?

Because if the answer is yes, do Rudy Gay and him clash and/or get in each others way?

I have a sort of crazy rebuild plan, I'm going to post it later, either in the trade or Dwight thread.

As for Lopez, unless its an immediate true S&T, and yes a third team can be involved, then there is a wait period until right around the trade deadline when we can deal him, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but you can't resign him annd then say trade him a month later.

Also if he signs an offer sheet and we match, I believe per the new CBA we must wait at least a year from the match date to deal him.

[N Ireland Nets]

One thing I think of though, is MarShon the real deal? Does he pan out as a 20ppg go to type of scorer?

Because if the answer is yes, do Rudy Gay and him clash and/or get in each others way?

I have a sort of crazy rebuild plan, I'm going to post it later, either in the trade or Dwight thread.

As for Lopez, unless its an immediate true S&T, and yes a third team can be involved, then there is a wait period until right around the trade deadline when we can deal him, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but you can't resign him annd then say trade him a month later.

Also if he signs an offer sheet and we match, I believe per the new CBA we must wait at least a year from the match date to deal him.

Waiting for this crazy rebuild idea. Would also love to hear what you think of Brooks now?

I know you were concerned about him being a ball stopper (so was I) and not a great passer. But would love to see how you rate him & what you think the kid needs to do now to reach his ceiling. Obviously his defence needs work but the amazing thing is he is doing this off the cuff. Barely any training camp & no real practise with all these news players.

[vincecarter4pres]

Well I'll say this, he has been incredibly impressive.

And it's not really his scoring, it's his feel for the game and playmaking/passing ability which has taken me by surprise some.

Maybe I was too hard on his ball stopping ways.

He was a ball stopper his senior year of college, it's not like I made that up, but perhaps, it certainly seems I didn't take context into account or focused on it too much in a vacuum.

I went back and read through some MarShon threads on the draft board and even read myself saying things like(paraphrased), "He's chucking and dominating the ball, but who else is supposed to take shots and control the ball on that team? There's no one else, he has to and it's impressive he is still very efficient in that role."

I did say the same at that time as I did before this season over the summer and fall, was he going to be able to change his game back to team orientated and would he be able to accept a much smaller role? Would he still impact the game? Did he ever? Said then also, a lot of that would be dictated by where he wound up in the NBA and this seems to ironically be a great fit for him.


Things he needs to improve?

Well first is the three obvious.

1) Needs to become a better defender. At least a man defender.

2) Needs to add a little weight, but mainly become much stronger at his current weight or with only a little gain.

3) Needs to be more aggressive. Now I know a lot of that is trying to figure it out as a rookie around a bunch of veterans on a team failing to live to expectations with a lot of veterans. I know he's trying to balance stepping on toes, keeping the coaches happy and simultaneously scoring and playmaking.

But more so what I mean, is even though he has a deadly jumper and diverse offensive game, is a great bad shot shooter and also gets himself a lot of good looks, and even though he's getting the rookie treatment from the refs, he needs to find more ways to draw contact and get to the line.

So I'm not necessarily even saying he has to be more aggressive at this moment by shooting more, just that he needs to put more pressure on the defense by getting in the lane and getting the defender in the air jumping into him off shot fakes and what not instead of bailing the D out with tough 12 to 19 foot turnarounds so much even if he's mastered that shot.

Those shots should be reserved for later in the season or even in his career when he's being given more freedom and is getting up 16 to 18 shots attempts per game on average.


He also needs to learn to move better without the ball and the obvious rookie stuff Deron alluded to, he needs to learn how to play, how to run sets, he's no longer in a league where he's so much better then literally 90% of the players around him where he's given the ball and told to just go freestyle almost every possession.


But a lot of this will hopefully come with time.


I'm becoming a believer more and more by the game.

Don't want to get too ahead of myself though, time and time again rookies look like the sky's the limit when they were really extremely close to their ceiling and never got much better or even regressed, especially on bad teams or teams where there was no one else to play their role so they got opportunity by default, with some prime examples being O.J. Mayo, Brandon Jennings, Jason Thompson, Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich.

[lilojmayo]

Well I'll say this, he has been incredibly impressive.

And it's not really his scoring, it's his feel for the game and playmaking/passing ability which has taken me by surprise some.

Maybe I was too hard on his ball stopping ways.

He was a ball stopper his senior year of college, it's not like I made that up, but perhaps, it certainly seems I didn't take context into account or focused on it too much in a vacuum.

I went back and read through some MarShon threads on the draft board and even read myself saying things like(paraphrased), "He's chucking and dominating the ball, but who else is supposed to take shots and control the ball on that team? There's no one else, he has to and it's impressive he is still very efficient in that role."

I did say the same at that time as I did before this season over the summer and fall, was he going to be able to change his game back to team orientated and would he be able to accept a much smaller role? Would he still impact the game? Did he ever? Said then also, a lot of that would be dictated by where he wound up in the NBA and this seems to ironically be a great fit for him.


Things he needs to improve?

Well first is the three obvious.

1) Needs to become a better defender. At least a man defender.

2) Needs to add a little weight, but mainly become much stronger at his current weight or with only a little gain.

3) Needs to be more aggressive. Now I know a lot of that is trying to figure it out as a rookie around a bunch of veterans on a team failing to live to expectations with a lot of veterans. I know he's trying to balance stepping on toes, keeping the coaches happy and simultaneously scoring and playmaking.

But more so what I mean, is even though he has a deadly jumper and diverse offensive game, is a great bad shot shooter and also gets himself a lot of good looks, and even though he's getting the rookie treatment from the refs, he needs to find more ways to draw contact and get to the line.

So I'm not necessarily even saying he has to be more aggressive at this moment by shooting more, just that he needs to put more pressure on the defense by getting in the lane and getting the defender in the air jumping into him off shot fakes and what not instead of bailing the D out with tough 12 to 19 foot turnarounds so much even if he's mastered that shot.

Those shots should be reserved for later in the season or even in his career when he's being given more freedom and is getting up 16 to 18 shots attempts per game on average.


He also needs to learn to move better without the ball and the obvious rookie stuff Deron alluded to, he needs to learn how to play, how to run sets, he's no longer in a league where he's so much better then literally 90% of the players around him where he's given the ball and told to just go freestyle almost every possession.


But a lot of this will hopefully come with time.


I'm becoming a believer more and more by the game.

Don't want to get too ahead of myself though, time and time again rookies look like the sky's the limit when they were really extremely close to their ceiling and never got much better or even regressed, especially on bad teams or teams where there was no one else to play their role so they got opportunity by default, with some prime examples being O.J. Mayo, Brandon Jennings, Jason Thompson, Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich.

i am not an age guy. but Marshan is a 22 year old rookie. let's just keep that in mind.


with that out the way. it is amazing how so many of you guys drool over these young SGs who aren't even having seasons better than OJ's rookie or 2nd year. DeMar, Nick Young last season. MarSwag this season, James Harden this season.

Again, Grizzlies are the hottest team right now in the NBA ( winning streak wise) there schedule is incredible easily the next two weeks. so your going to start hearing from them and their players ( Gay, Conley, OJ, Marc) in the media and around general board 1-2 weeks.

OJ Mayo has been ready to go HAM in the NBA, he is way better in everyway then his first two seasons but is being limited by his coach ( i think to keep his value down ).

I'll go on a limb and say OJ Mayo will steal the 6th man of the year award from Louis Williams and James Harden this season ( assuming OJ remains on the bench, and a Grizz). That's how good OJ has been playing of late. And it helps that Westbrook has now turned it up taken away stats from Harden of late.

Let's compare Marshon Brooks, James Harden, and OJ Mayo's per 36 min numbers for the month of January. ( rounded numbers)

PER 36 in Jan

Marshon Brooks:

16.9 PPG 5.5 RPG 2.3 APG 1.6 spg 46.6% FG 42.1% 3pt 73.5% FT

OJ Mayo

18.3 PPG 5.8 RPG 2.7 APG 1.4 spg 45.5% FG 46.4 % 3pt 73.7% FT

James Harden
16.4 PPG 3.6 RPG 3.4 APG 1.1 spg 46.2% FG 40.4% 3pt 86 % FT


Again showing these stats isn't to knock MarSwag any. especially since he is the only bright light to your guys's season. But he really not doing anything that other young talented SGs aren't doing ( that play on winning teams btw).

[deepblueday]

OJ Mayo has been ready to go HAM in the NBA, he is way better in everyway then his first two seasons but is being limited by his coach ( i think to keep his value down ).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0[/youtube]

[N Ireland Nets]

Well I'll say this, he has been incredibly impressive.

And it's not really his scoring, it's his feel for the game and playmaking/passing ability which has taken me by surprise some.

Maybe I was too hard on his ball stopping ways.

He was a ball stopper his senior year of college, it's not like I made that up, but perhaps, it certainly seems I didn't take context into account or focused on it too much in a vacuum.

I went back and read through some MarShon threads on the draft board and even read myself saying things like(paraphrased), "He's chucking and dominating the ball, but who else is supposed to take shots and control the ball on that team? There's no one else, he has to and it's impressive he is still very efficient in that role."

I did say the same at that time as I did before this season over the summer and fall, was he going to be able to change his game back to team orientated and would he be able to accept a much smaller role? Would he still impact the game? Did he ever? Said then also, a lot of that would be dictated by where he wound up in the NBA and this seems to ironically be a great fit for him.


Things he needs to improve?

Well first is the three obvious.

1) Needs to become a better defender. At least a man defender.

2) Needs to add a little weight, but mainly become much stronger at his current weight or with only a little gain.

3) Needs to be more aggressive. Now I know a lot of that is trying to figure it out as a rookie around a bunch of veterans on a team failing to live to expectations with a lot of veterans. I know he's trying to balance stepping on toes, keeping the coaches happy and simultaneously scoring and playmaking.

But more so what I mean, is even though he has a deadly jumper and diverse offensive game, is a great bad shot shooter and also gets himself a lot of good looks, and even though he's getting the rookie treatment from the refs, he needs to find more ways to draw contact and get to the line.

So I'm not necessarily even saying he has to be more aggressive at this moment by shooting more, just that he needs to put more pressure on the defense by getting in the lane and getting the defender in the air jumping into him off shot fakes and what not instead of bailing the D out with tough 12 to 19 foot turnarounds so much even if he's mastered that shot.

Those shots should be reserved for later in the season or even in his career when he's being given more freedom and is getting up 16 to 18 shots attempts per game on average.


He also needs to learn to move better without the ball and the obvious rookie stuff Deron alluded to, he needs to learn how to play, how to run sets, he's no longer in a league where he's so much better then literally 90% of the players around him where he's given the ball and told to just go freestyle almost every possession.


But a lot of this will hopefully come with time.


I'm becoming a believer more and more by the game.

Don't want to get too ahead of myself though, time and time again rookies look like the sky's the limit when they were really extremely close to their ceiling and never got much better or even regressed, especially on bad teams or teams where there was no one else to play their role so they got opportunity by default, with some prime examples being O.J. Mayo, Brandon Jennings, Jason Thompson, Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich.

i am not an age guy. but Marshan is a 22 year old rookie. let's just keep that in mind.


with that out the way. it is amazing how so many of you guys drool over these young SGs who aren't even having seasons better than OJ's rookie or 2nd year. DeMar, Nick Young last season. MarSwag this season, James Harden this season.

Again, Grizzlies are the hottest team right now in the NBA ( winning streak wise) there schedule is incredible easily the next two weeks. so your going to start hearing from them and their players ( Gay, Conley, OJ, Marc) in the media and around general board 1-2 weeks.

OJ Mayo has been ready to go HAM in the NBA, he is way better in everyway then his first two seasons but is being limited by his coach ( i think to keep his value down ).

I'll go on a limb and say OJ Mayo will steal the 6th man of the year award from Louis Williams and James Harden this season ( assuming OJ remains on the bench, and a Grizz). That's how good OJ has been playing of late. And it helps that Westbrook has now turned it up taken away stats from Harden of late.

Let's compare Marshon Brooks, James Harden, and OJ Mayo's per 36 min numbers for the month of January. ( rounded numbers)

PER 36 in Jan

Marshon Brooks:

16.9 PPG 5.5 RPG 2.3 APG 1.6 spg 46.6% FG 42.1% 3pt 73.5% FT

OJ Mayo

18.3 PPG 5.8 RPG 2.7 APG 1.4 spg 45.5% FG 46.4 % 3pt 73.7% FT

James Harden
16.4 PPG 3.6 RPG 3.4 APG 1.1 spg 46.2% FG 40.4% 3pt 86 % FT


Again showing these stats isn't to knock MarSwag any. especially since he is the only bright light to your guys's season. But he really not doing anything that other young talented SGs aren't doing ( that play on winning teams btw).

I agree he isn't doing anything James Harden & Mayo arent doing but your missing a couple of points. This is the 25th pick in the 2011 draft who is a rookie playing without any real training camp and basically zero practises with all his new team mates.

So MarShon Brooks has been winging with the whole time and doing this without are real understanding of the team and more importantly zero low post threat.

I've lost track of how many times Williams and Brooks have been doubled. I can't wait for Lopez to return because all our shoot makers and guards play will go up a few notches.

BTW I'm a big mayo and harden fan and if Brooks turns out to be anything like Harden I'll be walking around 2012 with a constant boner

[SpeedyG]

The big difference, aside from what everyone has said with him being a rookie, lack of training, etc...is that PHYSICALLY, he's just not NBA ready. Everything he's doing right now, is strictly because of his deadly shot and length, and because he knows how to get his shot off.

He's already a 17-18 ppg scorer as it is, without the benefit of veteran experience, and an NBA body (which Harden/Mayo had coming in).

[Preludepunk27]

I saw OJ and James Harden play multiple times in high school and followed their college career up to the NBA. They are both on my list of favorite players in the league.

With that said, MarShon was my #1 target in this past draft and I am uber pumped that we got him and that he's playing as well as I thought he would. I am sure he'll hit a wall at some point (all rookies do) but the kid plays with guts and has a lot of determination. We all knew he could score but I'm already seeing him develop the other aspects of his game to make him a more complete player on both ends of the court.

With that said, I'm not trading for OJ or Harden if those were possibilities. I don't think they would elevate this team more than Brooks is doing and they are both due contract extensions soon. I do not want to stunt MarShon's growth by putting him on the bench. Some guys learn by observation, others learn by doing. Brooks is the latter and he needs to be on the court.

Unless we had a deal like Harden/Ibaka falling into our lap (99.9% change that won't happen), you won't see me making a move for Harden and, as much as I like OJ, I am just not interested.