Would the Nets want to bite on Marvin?

[nykballa2k4]

From the WT
"Marvin Williams continues to be an ancillary part of Atlanta's offense and sources say he would like a trade.

Williams is averaging just 9.6 points per game this season and would like to find a situation where his usage increases."



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He could probably be acquired cheaply and would be an upgrade at small forward in terms of talent. There is another thread about Josh Smith, perhaps getting both of them would be a good way to increase the talent on the nets roster?

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[Ronito]

He's got a $7.5M player option for next year. Not what we're looking for.

Also, where' that sig I gave you?

[vincecarter4pres]

Too expensive for a mediocre player. I'd pass.

[Jersey Generals]

He's someone you would look at the deadline next year, assuming everything works out for the Nets. Who knows, maybe the Nets get lucky at the lottery, and are able to draft MKG, making Marvin Williams expendable again and a cap burden.

[vincecarter4pres]

Marvin Williams is expendable and a cap burden if you draft C.J. Leslie with the 21st overall pick.

Dude started out having one of his best seasons and his picture is still in the dictionary next to the definition to the word bust. Dude is a mediocre player and an albatross contract.

As you mentioned he's a guy you look at next year if everything works out with Dwight and you still have Petro and Shawne Williams on the roster, you can't find any better salary dump deals so you call up Atlanta and say, "Hey, how about Petro, Extra E, a 2nd round pick and $3 million for Starvin' Marvin?"

[nykballa2k4]

He's got a $7.5M player option for next year. Not what we're looking for.

Also, where' that sig I gave you?

I still don't know what you want me to put there -- As soon as you tell me (put it in this thread) It will be there for a month starting when you tell me what to have.

And I can see why the 7.5 might sound high, considering nets already used their amnesty, but it would be possible to unload other contracts that span longer than that same year for him. ie Farmar and Petro for Marvin and Collins.

Not saying Hawks would bite, but that deal would hypothetically be an even swap in terms of year after complications, and since nets are looking to get Dwight @ center and have Deron @ pg those 2 positions are not really needs.

Additionally, in terms of dealing for Dwight, the Magic need only think the Nets WILL sign him outright, not that he will, so Magic might be taking back some of the Nets guys any how.
Realistically, Nets can afford Marvin and obtain Dwight. Nets might have to take back Turk in a deal though, which is not as bad as it sounds at first.

If Nets do deal Farmar and Petro for Williams, it would even be possible to bring in AI to back up the guard spots. If nothing else it will be entertaining for this season. 10 day contracts are a beautiful thing.

[SpeedyG]

He's someone you would look at the deadline next year, assuming everything works out for the Nets. Who knows, maybe the Nets get lucky at the lottery, and are able to draft MKG, making Marvin Williams expendable again and a cap burden.

Even then, there are better/cheaper options at SF than Marvin...unless you think that light will magically lit up in his head.

[nykballa2k4]

He's someone you would look at the deadline next year, assuming everything works out for the Nets. Who knows, maybe the Nets get lucky at the lottery, and are able to draft MKG, making Marvin Williams expendable again and a cap burden.

Even then, there are better/cheaper options at SF than Marvin...unless you think that light will magically lit up in his head.

When has Marvin ever played with an offensive facilitator? He has played with Bibby, Hinrich, Teague, Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Anthony Johnson? His skills are primarily offensive. He strikes me as a player who as his usage goes up, so will his numbers. Add him to a team like the Suns, and you have a steal. Stick him on a team like, for example, the Lakers, and you have another waste. 18 ppg on relatively efficient shooting is possible for him.

[NyCeEvO]

When has Marvin ever played with an offensive facilitator? He has played with Bibby, Hinrich, Teague, Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Anthony Johnson? His skills are primarily offensive. He strikes me as a player who as his usage goes up, so will his numbers. Add him to a team like the Suns, and you have a steal. Stick him on a team like, for example, the Lakers, and you have another waste. 18 ppg on relatively efficient shooting is possible for him.

Unfortunately, unless you're a super young player/rookie, no one is going trade for you based on the hypothetical premise that the player could play much better with a facilitator.

Look at the draft he came out of and who he was taken over (D-Will, CP3, Andrew Bynum, Danny Granger).

Dude was a second overall pick and when you're selected that high, you're expected to be the best player on the floor and a guy that just dominates.

Instead, he's a certified 4th option on a good team at best and he's fulfilled none of the potential that all of the scouts saw in him.

[Ronito]

He's got a $7.5M player option for next year. Not what we're looking for.

Also, where' that sig I gave you?

I still don't know what you want me to put there -- As soon as you tell me (put it in this thread) It will be there for a month starting when you tell me what to have.

And I can see why the 7.5 might sound high, considering nets already used their amnesty, but it would be possible to unload other contracts that span longer than that same year for him. ie Farmar and Petro for Marvin and Collins.

Not saying Hawks would bite, but that deal would hypothetically be an even swap in terms of year after complications, and since nets are looking to get Dwight @ center and have Deron @ pg those 2 positions are not really needs.

Additionally, in terms of dealing for Dwight, the Magic need only think the Nets WILL sign him outright, not that he will, so Magic might be taking back some of the Nets guys any how.
Realistically, Nets can afford Marvin and obtain Dwight. Nets might have to take back Turk in a deal though, which is not as bad as it sounds at first.

If Nets do deal Farmar and Petro for Williams, it would even be possible to bring in AI to back up the guard spots. If nothing else it will be entertaining for this season. 10 day contracts are a beautiful thing.

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[treiz]

He's got a $7.5M player option for next year. Not what we're looking for.

Also, where' that sig I gave you?

I still don't know what you want me to put there -- As soon as you tell me (put it in this thread) It will be there for a month starting when you tell me what to have.

And I can see why the 7.5 might sound high, considering nets already used their amnesty, but it would be possible to unload other contracts that span longer than that same year for him. ie Farmar and Petro for Marvin and Collins.

Not saying Hawks would bite, but that deal would hypothetically be an even swap in terms of year after complications, and since nets are looking to get Dwight @ center and have Deron @ pg those 2 positions are not really needs.

Additionally, in terms of dealing for Dwight, the Magic need only think the Nets WILL sign him outright, not that he will, so Magic might be taking back some of the Nets guys any how.
Realistically, Nets can afford Marvin and obtain Dwight. Nets might have to take back Turk in a deal though, which is not as bad as it sounds at first.

If Nets do deal Farmar and Petro for Williams, it would even be possible to bring in AI to back up the guard spots. If nothing else it will be entertaining for this season. 10 day contracts are a beautiful thing.

I would actually do that trade, anything to get Petro out of here without costing draft picks is a win-win scenario. Plus would't mind having Collins back, he could at least defend.

[JDRoma]

I agree that Marvin will play a lot better with a really good PG. However, you need to realize the Nets won't trade for Marvin until the Dwight is situated. The problem is if Dwight becomes an FA they need to clear about 7 million in Cap Space. If that situation happens we need to get expiring for either Farmar, Petro, Shawne, Morrow.

[nykballa2k4]

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Not gonna lie I was expecting something more insulting, slightly disappointing haha

Anyhow, I see the dilemma of clearing cap space, but I still operate under the assumption that Dwight will be sign & traded.

At the end of the day, Magic will likely have two options, bitterly let Dwight walk to the Nets or Mavs OR trade him for Bynum and some incentive. If the Lakers make a deal of their TPE for a player with only next season left under contract, they would be able to absorb Turks salary along with Dwights.

Clearly this is all hypothetical, but if you are the Magic, what do you do?

[Keith Van Horn]

How about Lopez for Monta Ellis?

And then we take our chance on signing Dwight in the offseason...? THoughts?

[N Ireland Nets]

How about Lopez for Monta Ellis?

And then we take our chance on signing Dwight in the offseason...? THoughts?

Ellis makes $11million, we wouldnt have the cap room to offer Howard a max so no chance of trading for him.

Besides I would never trade Lopez for Ellis. If we were going to trade Lopez id guess it would be for a stud wing/pf probably on a rookie scale deal.

Paul George, Harden or Batum type player because we need to keep cap available. If Howard were to hit free agency I could see us sticking with Lopez next season and probably trading him at next years deadline if the twins towers werent working because by that stage salary wouldnt matter in regards cap room, then you could start looking at someone like Aldridge (who would be amazing to get). Could offer Lopez, Morrow & picks or any asset outside D Will and Howard.

Basically were in a holding pattern till we know what Howard is going to do

[nykballa2k4]

How about Lopez for Monta Ellis?

And then we take our chance on signing Dwight in the offseason...? THoughts?

Ellis makes $11million, we wouldnt have the cap room to offer Howard a max so no chance of trading for him.

Besides I would never trade Lopez for Ellis. If we were going to trade Lopez id guess it would be for a stud wing/pf probably on a rookie scale deal.

Paul George, Harden or Batum type player because we need to keep cap available. If Howard were to hit free agency I could see us sticking with Lopez next season and probably trading him at next years deadline if the twins towers werent working because by that stage salary wouldnt matter in regards cap room, then you could start looking at someone like Aldridge (who would be amazing to get). Could offer Lopez, Morrow & picks or any asset outside D Will and Howard.

If you were to go after a guy like Paul George, offering Brooks would be wise. SG is an easier hole to fill, plus Morrow is actually deserving of a starting job and is a conventional 2.
Basically were in a holding pattern till we know what Howard is going to do

[vincecarter4pres]

Damn every time I see that sig I'm like, "Wait, when did I post that...oooohhh..."

[Shameer1016]

Only if Jason Collins comes back along with Marvin

[vincecarter4pres]

You're a funny guy!