Back up plan: Deron Destinations

[enetric]

But then why does it say this:

Sign-and-trade deals
In the first two years, sign-and-trades will continue as is.


Do you have a link to what Coon said for this season on S&T? I will look through his twitter but I would like to read it.

Even from the 2nd link in your post it says it clearly:

It's on page 5, number 11. I can't copy and paste it for some reason to quote it, but it says max salary for all S&T's is 4 years at 4.5% raises.

Again, not disputing that is what it says. Disputing...WHEN THAT BEGINS. Because in the second link it also shows that S&T rules remain the same for the first two years. You are speaking to what those rules are...not when they start. Saying all S&T's doesnt cover WHEN it covers what.

[vincecarter4pres]

IDK what to say, every article and NBA show out there has said, it's now 4 years and lower raise percentages.

The article(the first one you quote) is the only one I've seen this offseason that says it differently and I figure it's just bad wording or a misunderstanding.

The second one you linked me to is more or less the genuine document, not even an article and it makes no mention of it in the fashion you're saying, just that in year 3 is when the tax rules of S&T's change. It's very clear in that document, not even unintentional bad language that can be disputed to find a loophole.

[The Hypnotoad]

If the odds looking really bad at us re-signing Deron i would trade him for Rondo now that the Celts are really looking to part with him.

[nykballa2k4]

If the odds looking really bad at us re-signing Deron i would trade him for Rondo now that the Celts are really looking to part with him.

Celtics deal makes the most sense for everyone, obviously only if Deron is a goner. Rondo is a good player to build around.

[deepblueday]

guys. deron will not be traded. it pains me to see regulars even humor this to the slightest degree.

[enetric]

IDK what to say, every article and NBA show out there has said, it's now 4 years and lower raise percentages.

The article(the first one you quote) is the only one I've seen this offseason that says it differently and I figure it's just bad wording or a misunderstanding.

The second one you linked me to is more or less the genuine document, not even an article and it makes no mention of it in the fashion you're saying, just that in year 3 is when the tax rules of S&T's change. It's very clear in that document, not even unintentional bad language that can be disputed to find a loophole.

Yes the second one was the actual NBA draft on rule changes. Sam Amick posted it from the general meetings.

But read your own quote... IN YEAR 3 IS WHEN THE CHANGE happens. And what does that mean happens in years 1 and 2? Look, I dont know for fact that the change isnt immediate...but I dont see how you can read that, call it clear...and think that doesnt lead one to believe that the change wont happen until year 3.

[enetric]

IDK what to say, every article and NBA show out there has said, it's now 4 years and lower raise percentages.

The article(the first one you quote) is the only one I've seen this offseason that says it differently and I figure it's just bad wording or a misunderstanding.

The second one you linked me to is more or less the genuine document, not even an article and it makes no mention of it in the fashion you're saying, just that in year 3 is when the tax rules of S&T's change. It's very clear in that document, not even unintentional bad language that can be disputed to find a loophole.

BTW I have seen it in multiple places including ESPN. Still open to the idea that you are right that the rule happens now...but it does baffle me how you are reading it and not seeing that it does say change happens in year 3.

If you are right and it happens now...that would mean that there was a later final version agreed to. But if this is the version, hard to ignore a sentence in the draft that says, change will happen in year 3.

[Ballah]

Nobody is going to trade for Deron, he either stays with you guys if you get Howard or he walks to Dallas. He has zero value.

[nykballa2k4]

Nobody is going to trade for Deron, he either stays with you guys if you get Howard or he walks to Dallas. He has zero value.

Deron is still viewed as a franchise talent. you don't think that if a team could look like a champion by adding him they wouldn't?

Hypothetical -- Nuggets are about to get Gallo back and Chandler is eligible to play again. Gallinari, Lawson, Mozgov for Deron.

Nuggets are a team with enough height to go against the Lakers and would be a legit contender with Deron at point guard.

To me any team that has young talent, is a legit playoff team could potentially get a ring by adding Deron.

In honesty it would be a risky move for another GM, but for a team like the Celtics it would be a 0 risk move. Rondo and Pierce would likely not be a bad enough team to get a great draft pick, whereas Deron could either help draw players to the Celtics, or just leave and Pierce alone could do what he did last time his team was treading water -- sit out, and help his team get a top 5 pick to trade for aging superstars.

A team like the Lakers, the Celtics or the Mavericks could certainly be interested in such a deal.

[Ballah]

Nobody is going to trade for Deron, he either stays with you guys if you get Howard or he walks to Dallas. He has zero value.

Deron is still viewed as a franchise talent. you don't think that if a team could look like a champion by adding him they wouldn't?

Hypothetical -- Nuggets are about to get Gallo back and Chandler is eligible to play again. Gallinari, Lawson, Mozgov for Deron.

Nuggets are a team with enough height to go against the Lakers and would be a legit contender with Deron at point guard.

To me any team that has young talent, is a legit playoff team could potentially get a ring by adding Deron.

In honesty it would be a risky move for another GM, but for a team like the Celtics it would be a 0 risk move. Rondo and Pierce would likely not be a bad enough team to get a great draft pick, whereas Deron could either help draw players to the Celtics, or just leave and Pierce alone could do what he did last time his team was treading water -- sit out, and help his team get a top 5 pick to trade for aging superstars.

A team like the Lakers, the Celtics or the Mavericks could certainly be interested in such a deal.

Sure, any team without chris paul or derick rose would love to have Deron. Nobody will trade for him though, the entire league knows if leaves NJ he is going to Dallas. Actually the ONLY team he might not walk away from in a trade might be orlando with Dwight.

[vincecarter4pres]

I completely disagree.

I think Dallas is such a great option for him if we don't get Dwight or bring in a star simply because how much of a rebuild our team would still be in without Dwight even if we landed the #1 overall pick.

If Deron was dealt to Portland, Memphis, OKC, San An, or the Lakers there is no way he leaves.

[enetric]

Why are we even discussing this? Deron is not getting traded unless something major happens to lock up Dwight in Orlando or he agrees to sign a long term deal with a different franchise in the next 10 days.

If that doesnt happen we either:

1- Trade for Dwight by the 15th and keep both....no Deron trade.


2- If there is no trade or change of tune from Dwight about Orlando by the 15th, we will still NOT trade Deron. We will then take our chances we can land Dwight starting July 1st.

3- Dwight signs with someone else over the summer...and if that happens, good chance Deron goes to Dallas.

That's it my friends. Barring long shots in the next 10 days...we are all in on Dwight now or July 1st. All in means...there will be no contingency plan with Deron. Everyone has staked their jobs on this move. There is no cut your losses. Its all in. PERIOD. If we lose Deron...everyone must be fired. Avery, King...the waterboy...I dont care. Everyone gets fired. I respect the moves our brass has made. Balls to the wall. Once you do that...there is no turning back. You stake your job on it. If you fail...you have set your franchise back 3 years because of all we gave up to be here already so what good will a handful of "stuff" be at this point? Get Dwight and Deron locked in...you are heroes...and you just built the core of a contender. Nope. There is no saving face my friends. ALL IN...LAST HAND. Lets get it done.

[PetroNet]

Why are we even discussing this? Deron is not getting traded unless something major happens to lock up Dwight in Orlando or he agrees to sign a long term deal with a different franchise in the next 10 days.

If that doesnt happen we either:

1- Trade for Dwight by the 15th and keep both....no Deron trade.


2- If there is no trade or change of tune from Dwight about Orlando by the 15th, we will still NOT trade Deron. We will then take our chances we can land Dwight starting July 1st.

3- Dwight signs with someone else over the summer...and if that happens, good chance Deron goes to Dallas.

That's it my friends. Barring long shots in the next 10 days...we are all in on Dwight now or July 1st. All in means...there will be no contingency plan with Deron. Everyone has staked their jobs on this move. There is no cut your losses. Its all in. PERIOD. If we lose Deron...everyone must be fired. Avery, King...the waterboy...I dont care. Everyone gets fired. I respect the moves our brass has made. Balls to the wall. Once you do that...there is no turning back. You stake your job on it. If you fail...you have set your franchise back 3 years because of all we gave up to be here already so what good will a handful of "stuff" be at this point? Get Dwight and Deron locked in...you are heroes...and you just built the core of a contender. Nope. There is no saving face my friends. ALL IN...LAST HAND. Lets get it done.

as big a blow as losing out on howard and watching williams walk would be, i dont see it as doom and gloom as others might.

We' still have lopez, who we'd extend and brooks. We'd have a lottery pick and the houston pick. we could very easily be looking at a roster of:

draft say thomas robinson and terrance jones.

Farmar/Brooks/Jones/Robinson/Lopez

Gaines/Morrow/Green/?/Sh. Williams

we'd have about 15 million or so in cap room to sign a PF and/or PG or use the cap room to bring one in. If we signed say Goran Dragic and Ilyasova now you are looking at:

Dragic/Brooks/Jones/Robinson/Lopez

Farmar/Morrow/Green/Ilyasova/Williams

still would be under the cap. would have a good young team and would only need to land a point gaurd the next few years via draft or trade.

[vincecarter4pres]

@E We're only discussing this for $hits and giggles if Dwight was dealt to LAL specifically AFAIK.
Rondo would be quite the get in that situation if we're sure Deron is gone.

@PetroNet Brook hasn't won much has he? It's not a good young team. MarShon Brooks I am just not high on like you guys, at all. Brook Lopez is a building block but not a player you build around. We would be going into a 2nd rebuild depending on our 2012 pick to pan out and our 2013 pick to be high and another franchise changer, when we were supposed to be finishing our original one.

The cap space, decent young guys, none of that matters. You don't want to build some Milwaukee Bucks like disaster.

Then you have to remember what an IMMENSE failure it would be to go into Brooklyn like that after all the hype.

I would fear even more so if Deron walks the FO goes into full blown panic and won't allow the proper rebuild to develop again and instead trades for whatever albatross talented guys they can acquire and then ships out our lotto pick and maybe Brook for some old star or incredibly overrated malcontent.

[nykballa2k4]

bump city.

IF Dwight makes it official that he can not opt out... what is the move ?
Does it matter if Deron is in the East or West?

[nykballa2k4]

Edit- Double post

[SpeedyG]

bump city.

IF Dwight makes it official that he can not opt out... what is the move ?
Does it matter if Deron is in the East or West?

Nothing. He goes to Dallas.

[nykballa2k4]

bump city.

IF Dwight makes it official that he can not opt out... what is the move ?
Does it matter if Deron is in the East or West?

Nothing. He goes to Dallas.

No shot of a pre-deadline trade to obtain roddy, mahinmi and pick(s)?

[SpeedyG]

bump city.

IF Dwight makes it official that he can not opt out... what is the move ?
Does it matter if Deron is in the East or West?

Nothing. He goes to Dallas.

No shot of a pre-deadline trade to obtain roddy, mahinmi and pick(s)?

I read that as obtain crap, crap, crap.