DWill for Amare + Lin

[N Ireland Nets]

Eh, I think there are a few worse contracts.

Amar'e could be decent again in the right system with the right playmakers, on offense.

On defense and the boards though, he makes Brook Lopez look like Tyson Chandler.

And also on that offense thing, that's the only time Amar'e is actually effective, even when in his healthy prime, with an elite setup man spoon feeding him in the pick and roll and the pick and pop.

That's nice and all, but this guy is pretty awful at creating his own offense and has pretty much zero post game.


And all the above, that's either in the past or the now. I don't think the last 2 years of that contract are going to be pretty even in a system that's tailor made for him.

He's basically beginning to fall apart.

Thats the point, it doesn't matter if he is playing quite well or doing a job, fact is his contract is awful and uninsured and the contract will be hell for the Knicks soon enough

[vincecarter4pres]

Oh without question. I'd want no part in him.

[NyCeEvO]

The fact that Knick fans are reverting to how Amare was back in Phoenix and when Lin was playing under D'Antoni's system that has the PG do everything rather than Woodson's system which defers to the best players on the team is sad.

Knicks fans remember the 7 game win streak that started Linsanity, but conveniently forget the 6 game losing streak (or including the losing 7 out of 8 that started with the Miami smackdown) he endured shortly after.

And then when Woodson finally comes on, and has the Knicks playing like the should be playing, Lin's role is reduced and they start winning again lol. Dude is above-average PG. That's it, end of story.

[vincecarter4pres]

He's not an above average point guard, that statement makes me cringe.

He's in the company with guys like Jordan Farmar, Luke Ridnour and C.J. Watson.

[NyCeEvO]

He's not an above average point guard, that statement makes me cringe.

He's in the company with guys like Jordan Farmar, Luke Ridnour and C.J. Watson.

I forgot to say at best.

VC, you remember me calling him Luke Ridnour during the season, right?

They play exactly the same and ultimately they're not leading a team anywhere. Knicks fans can keep thinking he's a beast and they can keep remember why every championship they forsee in the preseason never comes to fruition.

[vincecarter4pres]

I can't tell you how badly I want Lin to become a starter somewhere next year so he can be exposed as best an average-ish starter and at worst an epic disappointment.

[therealbig3]

I can't tell you how badly I want Lin to become a starter somewhere next year so he can be exposed as best an average-ish starter and at worst an epic disappointment.

I hope he stays with the Knicks for a couple of reasons:

-Knicks fans hyping him up like crazy, only for him to be their starter next year and prove why he was bouncing around the D-league.

-They don't get Nash...Nash is the one available PG that the Knicks can get that I really do think would make that team dangerous.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah, both those reasons are good haha.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a decent player, solid player, but he's not starter, at least an average one.

Sure he can get a little better, but right now he maybe the most overrated player in the history of the game.

I mean(In order more or less, but rushed after the top 7):

1. CP3
2. Deron
3. Rose
4. Rondo
5. Westbrook
6. Parker
7. Nash
8. Irving
9. Lawson
10. Rubio
11. Curry
12. Lowry
13. Dragic
14. Conley
15. Miller
16. Kidd
17. Harris
18. Wall
19. Holiday

He's better than any of those guys? Really?


Is he even more then equal then the following:
Jeff Teague
Mo Williams
Chauncey Billups if he comes back say 80% healthy?
Jennings
Sessions
Bayless
Nelson
Calderon


And then what about Brandon Knight in a season or two?

How about Lillard or Kendall Marshall as soon as next year?

[therealbig3]

Yep, I agree, he's ridiculously overrated.

I like his personality a lot, he's a really down to earth and well-spoken person, but he's just not that good.

[drejeronfire]

Yeah, both those reasons are good haha.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a decent player, solid player, but he's not starter, at least an average one.

Sure he can get a little better, but right now he maybe the most overrated player in the history of the game.

I mean(In order more or less, but rushed after the top 7):

1. CP3
2. Deron
3. Rose
4. Rondo
5. Westbrook
6. Parker
7. Nash
8. Irving
9. Lawson
10. Rubio

Oh hell nah son... I have Rondo at 8 but depending on your opinion of Rubio you could argue that Rondo is actually the 9th best point guard in the league...

[therealbig3]

I probably have Rondo around 7th. If everyone's healthy:

1. CP3
2. Deron
3. Rose
4. Nash
5. Westbrook
6. Parker
7. Rondo

Hard for me to take Rondo over guys that blow him out of the water offensively. None of these guys make a big difference on defense one way or another.

[vincecarter4pres]

IDK. I mean I can see the argument for him anywhere from 4 to 7, but although he's mainly a liability as a shooter, his passing, playmaking, court vision, it's just elite. True quarterback. So I wouldn't say the other guys blow him out the water offensively.

[Lazymanic]

Lol the idea is ridiculous, Nets will never help the Knicks especially now when its abundantly clear there is no way they are going to win a championship with this core.
Plus the trade will has to be Melo and Lin, not the garbage that is amare.

[PetroNet]

As a Knick fan I wanted to see if this trade makes any sense from a Nets perspective:

Amare for Deron Williams (Sign and Trade) and the Knicks will not match Nets' offer sheet to Jeremy Lin. Of course this is all contingent on Jeremy Lin wanting to go to Brooklyn.

....

It makes sense for both teams in my opinion. Don't know if DWill or Lin would want to swap teams but would be something in NY if that happened.

So we trade a top 3 point gaurd for a guy with an uninsurable contract and whom is a ticking time bomb injury wise, who doesnt really rebound(not a great compliment to lopez) and a backup point gaurd?

im not sure how that makes sense. I'd much rather have the 20 million dollars if deron williams walks then to be saddled with amares contract and have the circus that follows lin.

Lin certainly wouldnt be anywhere near as good an option as free agents Dragic or Steve Nash, and not a better backup option the kidd, should he be willing to come as he indicated he might. Hell, is Lin even better then Jordan Farmar? im not convinced that is a fact.

Give me Dragic + 12-14 million cap room over Lin + Amare any day

[PetroNet]

Isn't D-Will leaving?

If he does, we free up an additions 20 million in cap room

Amare hasn't fall off a climb physically, he is just playing next to Melo, and they are incompatible. Lin can be something special (although most likely he will be average).

Hasn't fallen off.... YET. the fact it hasnt happened to this point doesnt mean it wont next season. at with $60 million tied into him, thats a huge gamble. Even if his injuries dont hamper him, the natural aging process taking away some of hi athleticism, which has already slowly declined, will hurt his game, consider its mostly based on that and not skill. He also doesnt rebound well, and isnt a great fit for us at PF

Who are you planning to use your money on this summer? Travis Outlaw 2.0? Because i don't see why this offer is so laughable.

Dragic or Nash? Garnett?

your telling me Dragic/Garnett, at likely less money to boot, isnt a much much better combo?

Dragic >>>>>>>>>> Lin
Garnet > amare(especially as a fit on the nets, given his defense and rebounding)

[PetroNet]

What it doesn't make sense from my perspective is that you act as if you hold all the cards.

If you trade for Dwight and Deron stays, i am fine with it. But if Deron is leaving and has NY as a possible destination (big IF), you should try to make the most of it (or any other destination he wants) rather than losing him for nothing. This summer there aren't many good UFA's for you, and most RFA's will remain with their teams. Next summer it will be hard to attract Dwight Howard if you don't have another star in place.

I think what your missing is that "making the most of it" doesnt jive with taking on 3 years/60 million of amare, a guy who doesnt defend or rebound.

for Nets fans, or educated fans of any team, 20 million in cap space is infinitely more valuable then locking up 1/3 of your cap for 3 years for a player who isnt all that good, is about to turn 30, and doesnt defend or rebound.

tying up a ton of cap space for 3 years on an injury risk above average one-way player inst "making the most" of anything

[AntwanBoldin]

Rondo sucks. Doesnt play d, afraid at big moments, bad attitude.

If the c's traded tondo for Nash 3 years ago they gave multiple rings