GT#19: Milwaukee @ Brooklyn - 12/9 - 6:00pm on YES

[jerseyjac]

These are all minor issues... they are just magnified because of lopez importance to the team.

- Deron not shooting well but doing other things is magnified because we become more perimeter oriented.
- blatche goes from nuetral to a large net negative due to extend minutes
- our bench is severly weakened with evans starting
- JJ's no-shows are even worse when you arent getting 20 points from lopez
- our inability to get to the FT line from the wing players is magnified when lopez isnt getting their 10 times.
- our lack of athleticism is magnified when you lose such a skilled player down low to mask it who can finsih due to his size.

those things are all legit issues. but with lopez, you usually overcome those.

But that's a major problem.

You shouldn't have to overcome any of those problems because we should be good enough to win games against the Bucks and the Warriors without Lopez. There's no excuse.

I think it mainly starts with Avery's lack of accountability and lack of offensive schemes.

Jerry Sloan would've ripped D-Will a new one everyday for his performances and not for not following the system. D-Will shouldn't need a system to make him more effective, because he's supposed to be a superstar. Well, that's all but out of the window in my mind.

Do you guys remember what Avery said when we got D-Will? "Now I don't have to worry about offense because I have a star PG who will do that. I can put my focus on other things now."

A coach should NEVER say that. You're the head coach and you're responsible for everything. He never gets in the face of D-Will or JJ when they play like absolute crap, but he'll yank Tele or Brooks in a second for making one tiny mistake.

The players don't have to like you but they should at least respect you. Avery's not earning anyone's respect right now.

If the Knicks come in here and blow us out (which seems more likely with each passing day) that will be the exclamation point on this homestand. Proky will have come here to see his team get smacked around 3 times at home for 3 straight games.

Avery needs to go! No excuses...

The problem is the players do like Avery, from what I can tell...

Secondly, I don't care how much of our offensive system is causing problems...say its part of the problem, we all know that (25%max, and thats a lot...)

Players play and coaches coach...no matter how bad our Off. coaching and schemes are, we are playing piss poor...The Nets better check themselves, because I know they believe as we did, that w/ out Lopez and on pure talent alone the Nets thought they would beat the Bucks...I called it, don't sleep on the Bucks, and we basically sucked the whole first half and still made too many mistakes to overcome 2nd half deficit...

Seriously, are we as fans going to blame the coach every single game?

And IMO, Avery aint going anywhere...get used to it...he would have to have a losing record and not make the playoffs for that consideration to happen (and we are talking end of the season)...on top of that, these games for Avery, are not hurting him...I don't care how many situations you can point out where Avery is failing...he does not have Lopez, so these losses will be dismissed...

[PetroNet]

the nets would have to be epicly bad for avery to get canned this season... like 15 games under .500 type bad.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yes, agreed with JJ and PetroNet, Avery is not getting fired this year so hoping for failure in order for him to get the boot is crazy to me.

They might even re-sign him after the season is over.

And I understand the concept of if we get it together and make a deep run it probably leans strongly on them retaining him, but I cannot root for failure on a team this talented, with this high a payroll, with this high of expectations and let alone my own enjoyment of watching the sport as a long time diehard fan and then annoyance of hearing other fans rail on us if we don't succeed.

What a disaster it would be for this team to win under say 46 games and get the boot in the first round.

If anything, if Avery is retained or not probably has a lot more to do with what other coaches are available and interested in this gig this summer and how Deron and Billy feels about Avery going forward.

It's not realistic to expect them to sign many coaches over Avery this year unless he's really bad on the year as a whole and the playoffs unless Deron and Billy don't want him back.

I think they'd take SVG over him, but even that isn't a lock, that really depends on how our team and FO feel about Stan the person and Stan the coach on a personal real life level.

The Czar? Maybe, I really don't know though and I wonder how motivated he really is to comeback to the sidelines?

Phil Jackson is certainly the type of splashy move we would make if he wanted to coach here although if everything is true about how he wants such control over the FO and even to take off road games and the such, he'll be hard pressed to find a gig anywhere but a less desirable destination.

JVG hates the Nets with a passion and I think this organization won't bring in people like that. Also, he's basically just a supercharged Avery.

I highly doubt you see us go out and grab an unproven coach based on potential, that doesn't seem like the style of our ownership, Billy or Deron.

If you're going to be real with yourselves, you have to come to grips. Avery is here for this season and there's a good chance he is re-signed for 3 years with the 3rd year a team option as well.

[Paradise]

I think the painful part in all of this is knowing this team can be a Top 3 team in the East but simply chooses not to play that way.

That hard nosed blue collar style we developed went out the window quick and the sad part is, the team won't even acknowledge the issue until Lopez is back and we still get blown out and outplayed. The crisp ball movement is gone, Deron's attention to detail in terms of passing and defensive effort went out the window after the Miami game. He became a chucker once again after that nice 6 game stretch where he looked like the 2nd best point guard in the league.

We don't need a coach with name. We need a coach who will not take crap and demand accountability like Woodson. That's clearly the type of coach that Deron needs to get his head together and someone who could utilize Joe Johnson.

Coming into this season, the doubts where this team could ever be a ECF contender and we can be but not with a coach that will rip into his players when crap like this happens. Avery's coaching style is right up there with Spolstra.

Stan Van Gundy is the best option out of the bunch but he's more of a negative coach that brings out the positives in his players but I'm not sure he's the answer really.

[PetroNet]

I think the painful part in all of this is knowing this team can be a Top 3 team in the East but simply chooses not to play that way.

That hard nosed blue collar style we developed went out the window quick and the sad part is, the team won't even acknowledge the issue until Lopez is back and we still get blown out and outplayed. The crisp ball movement is gone, Deron's attention to detail in terms of passing and defensive effort went out the window after the Miami game. He became a chucker once again after that nice 6 game stretch where he looked like the 2nd best point guard in the league.

we certainly did just "choose not to play that way" anymore. It is much tougher to be a hard nosed defensive team when your anchor and shot blocker in the middle is gone, and you are forced to play at a faster pace because offensively you have nothing inside anymore, miss more shots as a result, shoot more 3's as a result, and have the other team taking it out of bounds less as a result.

Dwills game hasnt changed 1 bit since lopez left, other then shooting more from the outside out of necessity. i mean, not that he was playing well prior to lopez going out, and he certainly needs to play better, but its not like he is doing much differently now.

You have blatche playing more now. in small stretches, he can be productive. playign 30+ its a gaurantee he is going to hurt you. jsut too many low bbiq plays on both ends killing pace and leading to easy buckets on the other end. and he and evans starting takes away from the bench production.

We don't need a coach with name. We need a coach who will not take crap and demand accountability like Woodson. That's clearly the type of coach that Deron needs to get his head together and someone who could utilize Joe Johnson.

i think VC4P's point wasnt that we need a big name coach, but one of them wanting the job is the only chance you see avery gone in the next 2 seasons. As far as deron, he is the same guy he always was, other then he is now shooting poorly. age, injuries, whatever. he was the same guy in utah, only those shots were falling. i think its simply a grass is greener kinda thing. sure last year it was mainly due to being used too much as a SG. this year, same exact game as his utah days, only shots arent falling. same thing with joe johnson, his game is idential to what he did in atlanta, only the shots arent falling. both are getting plenty of good looks as well. age? injury? small sample? eihter way, there is no chaing back cause they are playing how they did. and its not likely vets with their track records change. especially when their games are already skill based.

[MrDollarBills]

Shocking loss.

Oh wait, I called this embarrassment back on the first page.

The train has fallen off of the tracks, and the team's two highest paid players are playing like they don't give a rat's ass.

I have said all that I can say about Avery. Why repeat it.

I'm checking out mentally on this soft ass team if and WHEN they get the s### beaten out of them by the Knicks. Avery must go.

[PetroNet]

Avery isnt going. need to deal with it and move on. King and Deron and the players seem to like him. The team isnt out of playoff contention. other then fans hating avery, there is 0 reason for him to be fired. and fans have no say in the matter.

if the nets, at the all-star break, are 10 games under .500 and the team starts infighting or calling out the coach, then he will continue to be here. and that scenario is extremely unlikely.

[vincecarter4pres]

Avery isnt going. need to deal with it and move on. King and Deron and the players seem to like him. The team isnt out of playoff contention. other then fans hating avery, there is 0 reason for him to be fired. and fans have no say in the matter.

if the nets, at the all-star break, are 10 games under .500 and the team starts infighting or calling out the coach, then he will continue to be here. and that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Bingo.

[Paradise]

I really do like Avery. I like his approach from watching Association and how he presents his gameplan, I want him here, don't get me wrong but I will not praise any of his work because he refuses to adjust to the talent on this team. Even at our best, we lost games due to that.

The reason why the Knicks are winning is because they play to their strengths. Melo is a 6'8 Forward who has always been stronger than most Small Forwards, quicker than most Power Forwards and handles it better than most guards. What does Woodson do? Put him at Power Forward and take advantage of it.

Moves like that is something Avery refuses to do that will benefit the team. I want him here but if he cannot change his concepts and rotations then he's a useless coach.

The bottom line Avery needs to take the blame here. Just like most stubborn coaches dont realize you have to play to your team’s strengths.

As someone else has said:

- Dwill is NOT a SG. He should be thinking pass first.

- JJ needs ISOs, but if you run plays like you did the previous GSW game that can clearly work.

- Wallace is NOT a 3pt shooter. Why is he always by the 3pt line in these plays. He makes them but it's fools gold.

- CJ is NOT a PG. He is a combo guard. He needs to play with a play maker, why not use Tyshawn Taylor?

- Brooks CANNOT defend the best opposing player on the court, but HE CAN do everything else. Why not let him guard Marquis Daniels?

- Stack is a player that needs to get into the game for spurts to be effective. Why is he playing 6th man minutes?

- Bogans is a defensive player that can occasionally hit 3pt shots. That is it. Put him in with Dwill or Brooks and he is ok. Put him in with CJ the offense does work. There is a reason why D-Rose played next to him and not CJ Watson in Chicago.

- Blatche is so impressive that he can do everything but YOU STILL HAVE TO RUN PLAYS for him because if he has the ball on ISOs he does too much. Put Tyshawn and CJ in off the bench and watch Blatche's efficiency rise as a bench player once Lopez is back.

- Childress should be the last man off the bench.

- Mirza should be used off time out plays.

- Toko should go to D-league.

- Taylor should get PT when you need a spark at PG.


...When Avery does these logical and simple things then nobody will call for his head. Everyone loves him as a coach and person but those things right there are exactly why people will call for his head even this early.

[vincecarter4pres]

I really don't like Avery or want him here, never did.

Never liked the hire, didn't like the mere rumor of it before it happened.

[Shark]

The biggest thing Avery needs to do is just get more movement in the offense. There's just too much standing around, too much ISOing and waiting for JJ or Blatche to go "hero-mode" and get something done.

Last night D-Will should have been driving to the basket a lot more. Suck in the defense then get it to the outside or even Blatche in close. But he shied away from the paint. I get that Saunders and Udoh are there waiting in the paint, but you can't just shrink away from them like that. Force them to do work, they're shot blockers. They're going to take chances and you could probably draw fouls on them if you attack the paint enough. But I just didn't see that.

And what was worse last night was that when we were missing 3s we just continues to chuck 3s. Avery needs to understand that we just don't have the shooters to rely on the 3 pointer. You can't tell me that this far into the season he can't see that we just can't rely on the 3. No matter how much you want these guys to work on their 3 point shot they're just not magically going to become Ray Allens.