GT#41: NETS @ Knicks - MLK Day (1/21) - 3:30pm on YES/NBA TV

[Rich Rane]

oh yea our fanbase is ignorant..you guys sound like abunch of jealous little girls ..all you think about is the knicks..enjoy being that forgotten 2nd team in ny

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[therealbig3]

oh yea our fanbase is ignorant..you guys sound like abunch of jealous little girls ..all you think about is the knicks..enjoy being that forgotten 2nd team in ny

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The funniest part has to be where that one poster is trying to attack the intelligence of our players, probably based on the fact that Hump married Kim K, but then he roots for a player that waits outside a team bus so he can say rude things to someone else I guess (because everyone knew there wasn't going to be an actual fight) and gets himself suspended, another player that killed someone in a DUI accident, and another player that has issues with fire extinguishers.

Yep, our players are dumb.

[VCRJKidd15]

oh yea our fanbase is ignorant..you guys sound like abunch of jealous little girls ..all you think about is the knicks..enjoy being that forgotten 2nd team in ny

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HAHAHAHAH Joe Johnson rustling some Jimmies. Thread just shows the up and downs of Knicks fans they are always disagreeing with each other.

[Paradise]

The Crash hate was brewing for a while. Because this game was the finale of the season series between us and the Knicks and it having so much attention the spotlight was going to be amplified on anyone who didn't play well. Therefore, since there was already hate brewing, it just went in overload this game.

No the fact PJ must agree should be concerning.

PJ picked Bogans and Johnson to guard Melo over Wallace. Thats concerning to me.

...Why is that concerning? PJ threw Reggie, Kris, Keith, Gerald all at Carmelo to wear him down at Power Forward. Gerald then moved to guard JR and Copeland who has averaged 20ppg in the starting lineup and he didn't get even close.

Are we really going to act like Wallace is done now based off a coaching strategy?

[N Ireland Nets]

The Crash hate was brewing for a while. Because this game was the finale of the season series between us and the Knicks and it having so much attention the spotlight was going to be amplified on anyone who didn't play well. Therefore, since there was already hate brewing, it just went in overload this game.

No the fact PJ must agree should be concerning.

PJ picked Bogans and Johnson to guard Melo over Wallace. Thats concerning to me.

...Why is that concerning? PJ threw Reggie, Kris, Keith, Gerald all at Carmelo to wear him down at Power Forward. Gerald then moved to guard JR and Copeland who has averaged 20ppg in the starting lineup and he didn't get even close.

Are we really going to act like Wallace is done now based off a coaching strategy?

His stats seem to be showing he's declining and our own coach didn't use him as we all intended him to be, a lock down defender.

Go watch the game again, Bogans defended Melo so much better than Wallace did. For most of the 4th it was Bogans and Johnson playing on the wings for us with no Wallace until Johnson picked up 5 fouls so he was brought in for the last play.

I never said Wallace is done, only that he's declining and he definitely is not an elite defender .

His rebounding is down, points per game down, field goal percentage declining and PER. Its only going to get worse over time so thats why i'd love King to get ahead of the bell curve and explore possible trades because it's going to be a real problem.

[rj2496]

Knicks fans just love talking about the Nets on their board....

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edit: I guess I should scroll up before I post, lol.

[therealbig3]

Rewatching the game, and yeah, the gripes about Wallace's defense is fair, to be honest. And it's how he's defended Melo in general, which is also probably why he lit us up 3 times. Pretty eye-opening actually, and disappointing too.

What Wallace does well against Melo is that he's extremely physical and can handle Melo on the block, which tires Melo out. But Wallace is also pretty lackadaisical in terms of his on-ball defense, and lets Melo get a step on him, like pretty much every time they iso. And because of that, he scrambles to recover, and Melo can pull up for a very easy jumper, because Wallace usually just flies right past him and either desperately tries to contest while he's 3 feet away, or he realizes that he's out of position and there's no point and he doesn't contest at all.

IMO though, having JJ and Bogans guard Melo instead of Wallace is not the damning part...they're very capable defenders who have proven that they can effectively guard him in the past...the damning part is that we let our PFs Evans and Humphries guard Melo, and that they actually did an excellent job, all things considered. Unlike Wallace, Melo rarely got a step on them, which resulted in a really tough, contested jumper.

And to be honest, the one that should be most embarrassed is not even Wallace...it's Melo.

[CalamityX12]

I'm actually pretty bummed that this is the last meeting for the season. doesn't seem right you know.... should've been stretched out over the season or have more games between them.

[PetroNet]

His stats seem to be showing he's declining and our own coach didn't use him as we all intended him to be, a lock down defender.

Which stats? he is playing on a team with 3 guys who have averaged 20 points per game in the past. obviously his scoring is going to be down. He is taking 4-5 less shots per game then in the past. His 3 ppint percentage at 34% is above his career average... his rebounds PER36 are right where they have been the past few seasons, his steals and blocks are right where they have been the past several seasons.

His teams defense has been good. not great, but still very good. his man defense has been solid, not good, but solid. He also has clearly played through injury the past several games. you can count that against him, but he was playing much better defense before the rib injury

Go watch the game again, Bogans defended Melo so much better than Wallace did. For most of the 4th it was Bogans and Johnson playing on the wings for us with no Wallace until Johnson picked up 5 fouls so he was brought in for the last play.

On the most important defensive possesion of the game, where you knew carmello was going to shoot it(and did) who was gaurding him?

A: gerald wallace.

Wallace not playing much in the 4th i think had alot more to due with injury/fatigue then confidence in him. If anything, i think PJ was sving him for the last 90 seconds - 2 minutes.

PJ has alot of confidence in both keith and wallace, according to what he has said and done

[jerseyjac]

The Crash hate was brewing for a while. Because this game was the finale of the season series between us and the Knicks and it having so much attention the spotlight was going to be amplified on anyone who didn't play well. Therefore, since there was already hate brewing, it just went in overload this game.

No the fact PJ must agree should be concerning.

PJ picked Bogans and Johnson to guard Melo over Wallace. Thats concerning to me.

I agree to an extent...sometimes throwing different looks at a player like Melo can help in defending as he can't get comfortable w/ who he is facing...each of those 3 players defend slightly different which you hope can add to making Melo's life difficult...

However w/ that said, Wallace by far is the superior defender and us mixing up vs Melo had a lot to do w/ keeping the one on one defense fresh...

[jerseyjac]

The Crash hate was brewing for a while. Because this game was the finale of the season series between us and the Knicks and it having so much attention the spotlight was going to be amplified on anyone who didn't play well. Therefore, since there was already hate brewing, it just went in overload this game.

I was disappointed, but his game is starting to take a toll on him physically...Nets know they need to cut minutes, mix and match. I love to know what his actual % is health wise.

[jerseyjac]

I don't complain just to complain. I don't ever remember complaining about a player over the smallest things. I defended JJ when everyone wanted him gone in a month, I said his shot would come back and it did. I said Deron would start to play better once that walking clown was fired and It was true.

My only recent complaints was why the hell is Stackhouse getting minutes and how incredibly awful Bogans is when he isn't guarding Carmelo or making 3s. Those are valid complaints.

I was just making a joke man cause how critical and crazy intense you are on the negative side of things in game threads haha.

[jerseyjac]

yeah, no problem with mirza not playing tonight.

joe was amazing, great to see him digging in on defense as well, ditching that apathetic persona a little bit

deron could not beat jason kidd off the dribble. at all.

strange that this is the game that inspires a flood of crash hate... i mean, the guy's production relative to his contract is abysmal esp for a non big man, doubt you'd find a taker for him. but when he's healthy and feeling good, he can still singlehandedly turn around or keep you in a game purely with hustle, floor game, and defense. see the first quarter of the lakers game, just a stunning defensive performance. or, i believe, one of the milwaukee games, where we were down huge, and he brought us back. or numerous other times this season. im not averse to moving him for a flatly superior player of course, but everyone knows the position that needs to improve for this team to take a step forward, and it ain't gerald holding it down at the 3.

I still throw Mirza Stack's 5 min.

Said it all game, was shocked how Dwill consistently aborted the drive vs Kidd...trying to get around Kidd mayh not be the easiest thing...but I mean he would make maybe one move and pull back...flat out disappointed here, would of been nice to get Kidd in early foul trouble...you name a reason for him not, none make sense...

Wallace needs to be questioned going forward with this team, but the first question is how healthy can he get...80-85% for the rest of the season may not cut it...he has his moments but you start to question things, rightfully so...

[jerseyjac]

oh yea our fanbase is ignorant..you guys sound like abunch of jealous little girls ..all you think about is the knicks..enjoy being that forgotten 2nd team in ny

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