Wallace and Evans should never be on the floor together

[Biggamer3]

2/5 of your offense is totally inept, meaning Lopez and JJ getting no room for easy shots.

Wallace has regressed so much, pretty obvious to anyone to see a 30 year old who relied on athleticism only regress

I think Deron will be fine for the foreseeable future but the Nets have to put more offensive players on the floor with him.

Also dont mean to ruin the mood on this board but Wallace for the #6 pick will always nag at me for as long as I can care about sports. Was absolutely the dumbest trade I have ever seen any team make since there was absolutely no rationale for it.

[nycefnl]

Obvious that when we play smart and savvy teams and players...they figure out who not to guard. I watched how Kobe one time had his back towards Wallace the entire time...He played the paint for the whole game. Evans is one just terrible. I think I'm gonna give watching this team a break. I feel like i'm in quick sand. I just can't see Wallace, Evans, and Humphries on the court anymore.

[jdm_dc_fan]

At least Lopez is doing work. Has Brooklyn put JJ at the 3 spot? Maybe they can run him at the SF and marshon at the 2. At the 4 put blatche and have Hump, GW, bogans and watson mix and match off the bench. just an idea.

[jeff1624]

Humphries has been awful this year, but we need to get him back in the starting line up. I would suggest teletovic, but the team hates him for some reason. Reggie Evans plays much better next to Andray blatche than he does Lopez. The 2nd unit would have enough spacing with Watson, Bogans and JJ that Evans' ineptitude on offense wouldn't be as bad.

[SpeedyG]

This really is the change that needs to be made. It works fine against sub-.50 teams that can't put up a lot of points on us, but when this line-up can't stop the other team...then the offense is not good enough.

I mean, Steve Smith and Chris Webber might as well have taken NIN's breakdown on his thread of "Why Mirza Teletovic Needs to Start" when they talked about the spacing and the clogging of the interior with Gerald and Evans are in the game

[N Ireland Nets]

Humphries has been awful this year, but we need to get him back in the starting line up. I would suggest teletovic, but the team hates him for some reason. Reggie Evans plays much better next to Andray blatche than he does Lopez. The 2nd unit would have enough spacing with Watson, Bogans and JJ that Evans' ineptitude on offense wouldn't be as bad.

Rotation 1: D Will, JJ, Wallace, Teletovic, Lopez
Rotation 2: D Will, Brooks, JJ, Hump, Blatche
Rotation 3: Watson, Brooks, Bogans, Hump, Blatche
Rotation 4: Watson, Bogans, Toko, Teletovic, Lopez


I'm no expert on basketball but why can't we put this sort of rotation in place which never leaves us without some offence and defence still on the floor. Maybe if we stopped playing D Will and JJ nearly 40mins a night they wouldn't look this pedestrian and have more of an impact as well.

PG: D Will: 35mins, Watson: 13mins
SG: JJ: 30mins, Brooks: 10mins, Bogans 3mins
SF: Wallace: 25mins, JJ: 5mins, Bogans: 10mina, Toko: 3mins
PF: Teletovic 30mins, Hump 18mins
C: Lopez 35mins, Blatche 13mins

You could use that as a rough guide but here's the thing, if the likes of Brooks shows he's playing well, you let him play on into Bogans or even JJ's SG minutes. If Wallace comes out looking really good, let him play, We need to be more fluid instead of having no accountability for our star players when they under perform.

Why not give Toko some mins to let him start actually playing. He could, dare I say it, become a much better fit sooner or later with time than Wallace. Toko was 4/7 in 3 games from 3 point land with the armour so he is improve his 3 point shooting and shot selection.

[nycefnl]

Even if Teleovic starts, I still don't want Wallace starting neither. He passes up too many open shots and when drives he doesn't finish or passes again and just wastes time on the shot clock. And he's not shutting down anyone. So what's his purposes? Throwing his body all over the floor obviously doesn't beat the good teams. Bogans is shaky shooting it...but he's confident and doesn't look to pass up shots all the time. Teams know Wallace doesn't wants to shoot it.

[N Ireland Nets]

Even if Teleovic starts, I still don't want Wallace starting neither. He passes up too many open shots and when drives he doesn't finish or passes again and just wastes time on the shot clock. And he's not shutting down anyone. So what's his purposes? Throwing his body all over the floor obviously doesn't beat the good teams. Bogans is shaky shooting it...but he's confident and doesn't look to pass up shots all the time. Teams know Wallace doesn't wants to shoot it.

The difference with Wallace on the floor with Teletovic is there is room to drive and cut to the basket which are meant to be Wallace's strengths.

Look im not a Wallace fan but he would be perfectly fine in a lineup with Williams, Johnson, him, Teletovic and Lopez

[CalamityX12]

Evans minutes continue to shock me.... his joy ride is over.... he's not helping us at all....

[Keith Van Horn]

Humphries has been awful this year, but we need to get him back in the starting line up. I would suggest teletovic, but the team hates him for some reason. Reggie Evans plays much better next to Andray blatche than he does Lopez. The 2nd unit would have enough spacing with Watson, Bogans and JJ that Evans' ineptitude on offense wouldn't be as bad.

Rotation 1: D Will, JJ, Wallace, Teletovic, Lopez
Rotation 2: D Will, Brooks, JJ, Hump, Blatche
Rotation 3: Watson, Brooks, Bogans, Hump, Blatche
Rotation 4: Watson, Bogans, Toko, Teletovic, Lopez


I'm no expert on basketball but why can't we put this sort of rotation in place which never leaves us without some offence and defence still on the floor. Maybe if we stopped playing D Will and JJ nearly 40mins a night they wouldn't look this pedestrian and have more of an impact as well.

PG: D Will: 35mins, Watson: 13mins
SG: JJ: 30mins, Brooks: 10mins, Bogans 3mins
SF: Wallace: 25mins, JJ: 5mins, Bogans: 10mina, Toko: 3mins
PF: Teletovic 30mins, Hump 18mins
C: Lopez 35mins, Blatche 13mins

You could use that as a rough guide but here's the thing, if the likes of Brooks shows he's playing well, you let him play on into Bogans or even JJ's SG minutes. If Wallace comes out looking really good, let him play, We need to be more fluid instead of having no accountability for our star players when they under perform.

Why not give Toko some mins to let him start actually playing. He could, dare I say it, become a much better fit sooner or later with time than Wallace. Toko was 4/7 in 3 games from 3 point land with the armour so he is improve his 3 point shooting and shot selection.

I agree with your rotations, except I would put JJ in on that last instead of Toko or Bogans.

I also like how you didn't include Stack on any rotation.

Isn't it obvious that our rotations and MPG for different players need to be different? If we can see this, why can't the coaches? If things aren't working, if the offense isn't flowing, switch things up and stop playing favorites.

From a coach's perspective, I can't for the life of me understand why PJ is experimenting more and giving guys more a chance.

[nycefnl]

Even if Teleovic starts, I still don't want Wallace starting neither. He passes up too many open shots and when drives he doesn't finish or passes again and just wastes time on the shot clock. And he's not shutting down anyone. So what's his purposes? Throwing his body all over the floor obviously doesn't beat the good teams. Bogans is shaky shooting it...but he's confident and doesn't look to pass up shots all the time. Teams know Wallace doesn't wants to shoot it.

The difference with Wallace on the floor with Teletovic is there is room to drive and cut to the basket which are meant to be Wallace's strengths.

Look im not a Wallace fan but he would be perfectly fine in a lineup with Williams, Johnson, him, Teletovic and Lopez

Have you seen the amount of times Wallace has gone to the rack and missed layups? Joe Johnson, D-Will, and Lopez all love to post...so they should be out there with people that will stretch the floor. Wallace hinders the offense....

I would try to trade him for Micheal Beasley. I rather roll the dice on him because I'm sure Wallace isn't a player that can play along with this core and get us a championship.

[CalamityX12]

Why can't Toko and Mirza see the floor?

[nycefnl]

Why can't Toko and Mirza see the floor?

Cuz the nets need to play Humphries and Evans for a possible trade....And Wallace has to play to validate that terrible trade for him. I'm with you though

PG D-Will/Watson
SG Johnson/Brooks
SF Toko/Johnson
PF Mirza/Blatche
C Lopez /Blatche

This would be my 8 man rotation...

[PetroNet]

2/5 of your offense is totally inept, meaning Lopez and JJ getting no room for easy shots.

Wallace has regressed so much, pretty obvious to anyone to see a 30 year old who relied on athleticism only regress

I think Deron will be fine for the foreseeable future but the Nets have to put more offensive players on the floor with him.

Also dont mean to ruin the mood on this board but Wallace for the #6 pick will always nag at me for as long as I can care about sports. Was absolutely the dumbest trade I have ever seen any team make since there was absolutely no rationale for it.

wallace and evans are not good offensive players, but the notion that our offense stinks because of spacing is a complete myth. when we do have floor spacers on the court, our guys dont take advantage of it. with tele and bogans playing with our top 3 guys, its the same thing. brook down low, jj on a backdown or deron overdribbling and not being able to beat his man. is there more space? yes. does it matter? no.

we need better offensive sets and we need our guys to do a better job attacking the painted area. brook rarely gets doubled regardless of who is on the floor. and when JJ gets doubled we usually get a corner 3 weather evans is on the floor or not.

[624]

PJ must have read this thread. The new rotation is taking Evans/Wallace out together and putting them back in together.

Now they are always on the floor at the same time 100% of the time!

[PetroNet]

People talk like we have Dale Ellis, Robert Horry, and Chuck Person coming off the bench.

we have bogans, who has shot the 3 at the exact same percentage and just as inconsistently as wallace has. and he has 0 ability to do anything else but stand in the corner and brick 3's. People love to bash wallace because his game has declined and we made a horrible trade for him, but to think we are any better with bogans on the floor is imply moronic and not based in reality. we are maybe what .3 points per 100 better with bogans on the floor?

Mirza is obviously a much better player offensively then reggie evans. he should absolutely see more time. but again, how much better are we offensively with mirza on the floor? we get better spacing, but again, we arent a team that takes advantage of spacing:

- our guards dont penetrate or beat their man, they take 9 dribbles to back them down in the post.
- the only guys who get doubled are brook(who is too slow to find an open guy) or JJ (who they soft double late allowing them to still close out)
- Our pick and roll is awful, because lopez and our other bigs cant set screens.
- no one on this team can consistently drive by their man

Just look at all the film for when mirza is on the court. 90% of his shots arent from floor spacing and having the ball kicked or swung to him. they are all on pick and pop plays with williams.

This all also ignores the fact that as bad as our offense is our defense is 10 times worse and an much much bigger issues

[Biggamer3]

this rule should be enforced, never can these two scrubs be on the floor at the same time

[Biggamer3]

How right i was, and this was back in February. If only i was the coach....