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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics - Jan 26, 6:30PM 

Post#241 » by JMaine518 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:51 am

Those tributes were amazing. I would've crying like a baby if I were In that position.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics - Jan 26, 6:30PM 

Post#242 » by SpeedyG » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:58 am

therealbig3 wrote:I don't think D-Will played great...he was too passive imo, and didn't look to create enough. Deferred to Johnson and Pierce and Blatche too much.

But he overall played pretty well...if I had to pick an MVP for us tonight, it would be him. Just wish he realized he's the best player on the team and should dictate the majority of the offensive possessions and not defer to inferior teammates so much.

But his defense was excellent tonight, and he did do a great job of setting up the other players. Our offense was HORRIBLE without him in the game. And he was the reason KG got that big steal and layup...he completely shut down Rondo 1 on 1 on that play.


As I have been saying since his return...

Take out the #8 jersey and the name Williams....and all you'll see is "just some guy".

He played some solid defense, but come on...how much defense does he need to really do when our team's philosophy is to concede the outside shot to the terrible shooting of Pressley(?) and Rondo. D-will should have dominated this match-up against a DLeaguer and a still recovering Rondo.

Dwill should have taken over this game much earlier when it was clear that Joe, Pierce, and even Blatche didn't have their shots going. That's what the great ones do. Far too often, I'm seeing the need for someone to step up...and Dwill just kicks back while he watches Blatche, Joe, or Pierce try to shoot themselves back into their game.

But once again, we see this incredibly passive guy who pretty much floats most of the game without making an impact.

I can only hope that there's still lingering issues with the ankle and that is why he's not pushing himself. But he's looked like just another guy out there. Which is fine...if you are just another guy, but not when you're supposed to be the franchise player of this team.

Hell....Rondo coming off his ACL looked more active and explosive than Deron.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics - Jan 26, 6:30PM 

Post#243 » by therealbig3 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:27 am

SpeedyG wrote:Hell....Rondo coming off his ACL looked more active and explosive than Deron.


Meh, I disagree pretty strongly with this, although the rest of your post is pretty solid.

I think there's a lot of things that Deron does that really goes unnoticed. The passes he makes, the decisions he makes, the way he uses the screen, etc. Rondo was a complete TO machine tonight, mostly because of poor decision-making. Deron took care of the basketball, and he was hitting people with some really nice passes. Blatche and AK come to mind as guys that got easy layups because of Deron. And Deron, because he can actually shoot, just changes the way a defense guards us, and opens things up for other players. We were pretty easily able to shut them down because of how piss poor of a shooter Rondo is.

Deron should have looked to score more, or at least, create more offense with the ball in his hands, instead of deferring, but he was still generating offense. Rondo was a completely inept offensive player tonight. Just chucked up jumpers and bricked most of them, and his overpassing resulted in TOs and contested jumpers for the Celtics. Wasn't really creating much.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics - Jan 26, 6:30PM 

Post#244 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:30 am

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he played well. him and kirelenko where the only guys who didnt suck balls tonite.

but to say he played great? come on now.


Go on, explain how D Will wasn't great tonight?

He controlled the game and set guys up constantly for wide open looks but we were throwing bricks all night. His defense was great as well. His clutch rainbow to put us back up 2 scores was huge as well.


Yeah that was a clutch rainbow. Joe Johnson missed far too many rainbows this game. Pierce's rainbows also were not falling.

Those early 3rd quarter rainbows by Anderson were big shots. He's a real solid player when his rainbow is clicking.


Jason Terry however is useless. The only thing he brings to this team is his rainbow and when his rainbows aren't falling he should not get any time at all.

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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics - Jan 26, 6:30PM 

Post#245 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:02 pm

lol at the dancing things in the background.

Look it was an ugly game, the Nets aren't always going to shoot that poorly and its a sign of a good team to win a game no matter the circumstances.

The bigger picture is this: We are now 20-22, two games away from climbing out of the hole, 2 games back of taking command of the division lead, and we have won 5 in a row. We are on fire heading into a game against Toronto and then 3 days of much needed rest before we face one of the most brutal back to backs that I can ever recall. The Nets have no choice but to win one of these two games. We absolutely must defeat the Thunder on our own floor. If we are going to give up another loss, it will more than likely be against Indiana on Saturday.

Defeat Toronto tonight, split the back to back, and then destroy Philadelphia on the 3rd. That should be the goal.

Not doing that will be completely unacceptable.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics - Jan 26, 6:30PM 

Post#246 » by Prokorov » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:36 pm

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macgyver893 wrote:At least we only had 1 guy play over 30 and we still walk out with win. Sucks though having another b2b and against the raps again. Deron should trying jumping in starting lineup for this one.


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Nah, Kidd said he's going to stick with the current lineup and then re-evaluate after the Toronto game.

I think it's blatantly obvious that Deron should move to the starting lineup though, in place of either Livingston or Anderson.

It's possible to always keep a playmaker out there with the 2nd unit even if Deron starts, but we absolutely need to get off to better starts than we have been. And I want to see Deron play more minutes with KG, they complement each other perfectly.




If we make a change, AA should move down. We need Shaun for defense

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if dwill starts johnson should go to the bench. keep that second unit strong.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics - Jan 26, 6:30PM 

Post#247 » by SpeedyG » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:37 pm

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SpeedyG wrote:Hell....Rondo coming off his ACL looked more active and explosive than Deron.


Meh, I disagree pretty strongly with this, although the rest of your post is pretty solid.

I think there's a lot of things that Deron does that really goes unnoticed. The passes he makes, the decisions he makes, the way he uses the screen, etc. Rondo was a complete TO machine tonight, mostly because of poor decision-making. Deron took care of the basketball, and he was hitting people with some really nice passes. Blatche and AK come to mind as guys that got easy layups because of Deron. And Deron, because he can actually shoot, just changes the way a defense guards us, and opens things up for other players. We were pretty easily able to shut them down because of how piss poor of a shooter Rondo is.

Deron should have looked to score more, or at least, create more offense with the ball in his hands, instead of deferring, but he was still generating offense. Rondo was a completely inept offensive player tonight. Just chucked up jumpers and bricked most of them, and his overpassing resulted in TOs and contested jumpers for the Celtics. Wasn't really creating much.


Oh I'm not saying that Rondo outplayed him. I'm merely talking about Rondo-being post ACL vs. Deron post-ankle and their respective physical standpoint. Rondo looked rusty and out of sync, but he didn't look limited out there physically. Deron on the other hand, looks nothing like the post-Allstar break 2013 that we saw.

As far as the "intangible" stuff that Deron does, yes, I agree it is there. But quite frankly, Deron isn't giving us anything that a 32 year old (or however old he was) Kidd was doing for Dallas.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics - Jan 26, 6:30PM 

Post#248 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:05 pm

Are we watching the same games? Deron has looked as explosive as we have seen in his career lately including the other night versus Toronto.

It's a shame that he's so passive at times though, it really is. He was getting into the paint at will, quickly changing direction, a speed demon in the open court and getting great lift on his jumper.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics - Jan 26, 6:30PM 

Post#249 » by SpeedyG » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:27 pm

He still doesn't look right to me, but then again...that could have more to do with how little he actually tries to be the aggressor out there.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics - Jan 26, 6:30PM 

Post#250 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:56 am

This is a major problem. He's basically passive aggressive.
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