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Re: GT: Nets @ Utah Jazz - Feb 19, 9:00pm 

Post#181 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:30 pm

kerry kittles wrote:Good win.

Joe Johnson was the best player on the court tonight, big improvement from his play the last couple weeks. Hopefully his poor play post MLK Day was largely a result of tendinitis that he is now getting over.


he had 8 points in like 90 seconds on a run that got us back in the game after they had gone up 13. that was a huge stretch.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Utah Jazz - Feb 19, 9:00pm 

Post#182 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:32 pm

kerry kittles wrote:Also good game from Blatche. Need more of this playing like a legit big. He can run a good 2 man game with Dwill either pick and pop/ pick and roll. Plus he has good post moves. He just needs to lose A.I shtick. The over dribbling and trying to shake defenders needs to stop and the 3's. thankfully there was none of that tonight


when he is scoring inside its a huge help. and we really need that cause KG is allergic to the paint. Garnett also wont put the ball on the floor. baltche can take advantage of fugazy centers like kanter. just need to keep him from the YOLO stuff
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Re: GT: Good Job, Good Effort 

Post#183 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:36 pm

Paradise wrote:Joe with 27 points, 6 assists, 3 steals on 10/16 shooting. Deron with 19 points, 7 assists, 4 rebounds on 6-15 shooting.

First time they've played well together since April of last season....I'm not joking.


i wouldnt call 6-15 and some below average defense playing "well" deron didnt play bad, so im not going to get on his case. but can we not set the standard for good play to "he was aggressive" or "he was actually trying tonite" or he had more then 5 assists?

poor shooting, kind poor defense. yeah i dont know if id say he played well. id say it was passable. And, its another game were he kinda got outplayed by the opposing gaurd
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Re: GT: Good Job, Good Effort 

Post#184 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:38 pm

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macgyver893 wrote:KG with 17 minutes. Think we'll ever see a 30 minute game again.

Honestly, KG is not doing bad idk why he still playing less than 20 MPG. Theres only 30 games left Kidd this is when you start to bump his minutes to get him ready for the PO.. Although I'll let this game slide just because Blatche was being really productive on offense. Well see next game.


KG hasnt been great the last 10 games or so. if blatche is playing well i dont mind resting KG. save his legs for when blatche is playing horrible
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Re: PG: Good Job, Good Effort 

Post#185 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:51 pm

There was a great play we ran in the 2nd quarter.

Kirilenko on the wing passed it to johnson on the low block. Kirilenko then cut through the lane to the opposite low block screening Livingston's defender.

Kirilenkos man double johnson immedietly, this left no one to rotate to livingston once kirilenkos screen freed him leading to a layup. This is great self scouting and a great adjustment by the coaches to take advantage of all the double teams Joe is seeing.

anyone have a video of this?
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Post#186 » by BK nets BK » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:10 pm

The nets play ball like I play 2k dribble dribble dribble make one pass dribble for another 10 seconds than take a jump shot. Its crazy how different we are when we actually run a play and people cut to the basket

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Post#187 » by therealbig3 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:18 pm

BK nets BK wrote:The nets play ball like I play 2k dribble dribble dribble make one pass dribble for another 10 seconds than take a jump shot. Its crazy how different we are when we actually run a play and people cut to the basket

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There's a huge difference in IQ when AK47 comes in. The guy is always looking to make the right pass, and is always active off the ball, cutting at just the right time and hanging around just the right place for offensive rebounds.

He's been the best bench player we've had all year imo. Speaking of which, perhaps we should consider starting him at PF at this point, and moving Pierce back to the bench. We could really use his size so that we don't get destroyed on the glass as much.
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Re: GT: Good Job, Good Effort 

Post#188 » by Albanian Damien » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:24 pm

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macgyver893 wrote:KG with 17 minutes. Think we'll ever see a 30 minute game again.

Honestly, KG is not doing bad idk why he still playing less than 20 MPG. Theres only 30 games left Kidd this is when you start to bump his minutes to get him ready for the PO.. Although I'll let this game slide just because Blatche was being really productive on offense. Well see next game.


KG hasnt been great the last 10 games or so. if blatche is playing well i dont mind resting KG. save his legs for when blatche is playing horrible

Your right he hasn't been playing great. It's hard to say anyone who plays less than 20 minutes played great. He's been playing good though, and often times is the one of the of the top if not the very top of +/- on the team even in losses. I know +/- isn't always a perfect stat but considering the fact that the only substitutions ever made first Q are KG for Blatche it's a great indicator in this case. I mean honestly look at this game log:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... in-garnett

Look at those minutes. KG's being treated like a fragile piece of china. If he was given minute he'd easily be doing what he did in Boston the last couple years. He's been shooting 58% since the start of 2014. It's time to rev up his minutes..
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Re: GT: Good Job, Good Effort 

Post#189 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:41 pm

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Albanian Damien wrote:Honestly, KG is not doing bad idk why he still playing less than 20 MPG. Theres only 30 games left Kidd this is when you start to bump his minutes to get him ready for the PO.. Although I'll let this game slide just because Blatche was being really productive on offense. Well see next game.


KG hasnt been great the last 10 games or so. if blatche is playing well i dont mind resting KG. save his legs for when blatche is playing horrible

Your right he hasn't been playing great. It's hard to say anyone who plays less than 20 minutes played great. He's been playing good though, and often times is the one of the of the top if not the very top of +/- on the team even in losses. I know +/- isn't always a perfect stat but considering the fact that the only substitutions ever made first Q are KG for Blatche it's a great indicator in this case. I mean honestly look at this game log:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... in-garnett

Look at those minutes. KG's being treated like a fragile piece of china. If he was given minute he'd easily be doing what he did in Boston the last couple years. He's been shooting 58% since the start of 2014. It's time to rev up his minutes..


It isnt important for KG to play big regular season minutes. whats important is that he is healthy for the playoffs. weve seen what he looks like the few times he has played back to backs and it was awful. If blatche is playing poorly and sitting KG will cost us a win, id extend him to 25-28 minutes. otherwise i agree with keeping him at 20 minutes a night, and resting him on long road trips and back to backs.

his shooting percentage is kind of irrelevant. he doesnt shoot much and its just spot up jumpers anyway. if he was giving us scoring inside or finishing inside or rolling on pick and rolls id tend to agree.
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Re: GT: Good Job, Good Effort 

Post#190 » by Albanian Damien » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:13 pm

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KG hasnt been great the last 10 games or so. if blatche is playing well i dont mind resting KG. save his legs for when blatche is playing horrible

Your right he hasn't been playing great. It's hard to say anyone who plays less than 20 minutes played great. He's been playing good though, and often times is the one of the of the top if not the very top of +/- on the team even in losses. I know +/- isn't always a perfect stat but considering the fact that the only substitutions ever made first Q are KG for Blatche it's a great indicator in this case. I mean honestly look at this game log:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... in-garnett

Look at those minutes. KG's being treated like a fragile piece of china. If he was given minute he'd easily be doing what he did in Boston the last couple years. He's been shooting 58% since the start of 2014. It's time to rev up his minutes..


It isnt important for KG to play big regular season minutes. whats important is that he is healthy for the playoffs. weve seen what he looks like the few times he has played back to backs and it was awful. If blatche is playing poorly and sitting KG will cost us a win, id extend him to 25-28 minutes. otherwise i agree with keeping him at 20 minutes a night, and resting him on long road trips and back to backs.

his shooting percentage is kind of irrelevant. he doesnt shoot much and its just spot up jumpers anyway. if he was giving us scoring inside or finishing inside or rolling on pick and rolls id tend to agree.

Yeah but now you want KG to be what he isnt. He hasn't been able to bang down low since 2009. Don't jus scoff at 58% either. He could easily put up more shots and keep it around 50%.The team just never look for him. JJ and Dwill are late with their passes on almost every pick and pop. His best shot is by far the shot around the elbow/top of the key. On top of that KG actually has a great mid-post game but I don't think Ive seen him posted up more than a handful times at the start of the season. Especially with Lopez out IDK why KG doesn't post up more. But I think a lot of it comes from that there's not one play that involves him catching it in the post. That has to change. With his scoring/passing in the post this team could elevate its games soo much more.
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Re: GT: Good Job, Good Effort 

Post#191 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:17 pm

Albanian Damien wrote:Yeah but now you want KG to be what he isnt. He hasn't been able to bang down low since 2009. His best shot is by far the shot around the elbow/top of the key. On top of that KG actually has a great mid-post game but I don't think Ive seen him posted up more than a handful times at the start of the season. Especially with Lopez out IDK why KG doesn't post up more. But I think a lot of it comes from that there's not one play that involves him catching it in the post. That has to change. With his scoring/passing in the post this team could elevate its games soo much more.


im not asking or wanting him to be what he isnt... my point was it doesnt really matter much if he shoots 45% or 55% from the field since he is taking like 4 shots a game and they are all mid range jumpers. he doesnt shoot enough for it to really matter.

KG has never had a post game other then a turn around jumper. it is one of the few criticisms of him that there is. there is really no reason for him to post up for. he is in there for defense and rebounding and to hit a shot if he is wide open as a secondary look.

he is doing very well in his role. i dont see the purposes of expanding it prior to the playoffs other then maybe a handful of games where blatche is so bad its the difference between winning and losing
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Re: GT: Good Job, Good Effort 

Post#192 » by Albanian Damien » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:25 pm

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Albanian Damien wrote:Yeah but now you want KG to be what he isnt. He hasn't been able to bang down low since 2009. His best shot is by far the shot around the elbow/top of the key. On top of that KG actually has a great mid-post game but I don't think Ive seen him posted up more than a handful times at the start of the season. Especially with Lopez out IDK why KG doesn't post up more. But I think a lot of it comes from that there's not one play that involves him catching it in the post. That has to change. With his scoring/passing in the post this team could elevate its games soo much more.


im not asking or wanting him to be what he isnt... my point was it doesnt really matter much if he shoots 45% or 55% from the field since he is taking like 4 shots a game and they are all mid range jumpers. he doesnt shoot enough for it to really matter.

KG has never had a post game other then a turn around jumper. it is one of the few criticisms of him that there is. there is really no reason for him to post up for. he is in there for defense and rebounding and to hit a shot if he is wide open as a secondary look.

he is doing very well in his role. i dont see the purposes of expanding it prior to the playoffs other then maybe a handful of games where blatche is so bad its the difference between winning and losing


First off, how does it not matter? He could easily put up more shots and keep it above 50%. How would that that NOT help this team? Also KG has always had one of the more proficient post games in the league. That's nonsense, have you ever watched him before this year? I can honestly say this the least I've ever seen him post up in 10-11 years of watching him play. If the Nets could post him up more it would only help the team. Its the final stretch of games. Now is not the time to rest KG ultra conservatively. Kidds been doing that all year. Nows the time to bump his minutes so he can actually be ready to play heavy minutes in the playoff. I thought that was common sense.
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Re: GT: Good Job, Good Effort 

Post#193 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:32 pm

Albanian Damien wrote:First off, how does it not matter? He could easily put up more shots and keep it above 50%. How would that that NOT help this team? Also KG has always had one of the more proficient post games in the league. That's nonsense, have you ever watched him before this year? I can honestly say this the least I've ever seen him post up in 10-11 years of watching him play. If the Nets could post him up more it would only help the team. Its the final stretch of games. Now is not the time to rest KG ultra conservatively. Kidds been doing that all year. Nows the time to bump his minutes so he can actually be ready to play heavy minutes in the playoff. I thought that was common sense.


it doesnt matter because KG taking more long range jumpshots isnt going to help the team. we shoot enough jumpshots as it is. he is fine taking 4 shots a game. he shouldnt be a focal point on offense, he should be a secondary option who shoots that 18 footer when its wide open.

And yea, ive watched him a ton prior to this year. i live oin boston, i saw almost every game he has played as a celtic. i saw alot of him in minnesota back in the day as well because he was one of my favorite non-nets. he was never a guy who got you points in the post other then that turnaround jumper. he has never utilized the drop stop or reverse pivot. its simply not his game, and his historical shot charts support this.

but none of that matters. KG is a 20-25 minute a night player who needs to give us defense and rebounding. we dont need him being an offensive force. and we certainly dont need him playing extended minutes. anytime he has, he has looked pretty awful. the few times kidd played him in back to backs where 2 of his worst games of the season.

he has been good in his role, changing it doesnt make much sense to me. especially since it wouldnt really have an impact on wins and losses
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Post#194 » by therealbig3 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:37 pm

Well, I strongly disagree that KG shouldn't get extended minutes, because we're going to need him for about 30 mpg in the playoffs, if not more. He was playing 35 mpg with the Celtics in the playoffs last year, and he did a really good job. He's still a very capable player.

But he was playing about 30 mpg in the regular season when he was bumped up to 35 mpg. You can't play him 21 mpg the entire regular season, and then expect him to be able to play 30+ mpg. Now should be the time you start bumping his minutes and preparing him for the playoffs. I would say he should get 25 mpg on a consistent basis now.

And KG is maybe our most important player as far as pure impact goes. His +/- is consistently outstanding, because he is by far our best defensive player. Blatche has been a sieve on defense all year, and he's only worth playing when he's having a fantastic game offensively (like last night). When he's having a ho-hum offensive game, Blatche is just a liability, because his defense is terrible. KG is still the much better player, and in the playoffs, you want to play your best players as much as possible. The more of KG we see and the less of Blatche we see, the better team we are.
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Post#195 » by therealbig3 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:42 pm

But I will say that Kidd's handling of KG, although pretty over the top in terms of how much he keeps him off the floor, has worked. I haven't heard ANYTHING regarding KG's health all year, and that's pretty amazing for a 38 year old who always seemed to have something wrong with him the last few years.
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Post#196 » by MGrand15 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:45 pm

therealbig3 wrote:Well, I strongly disagree that KG shouldn't get extended minutes, because we're going to need him for about 30 mpg in the playoffs, if not more. He was playing 35 mpg with the Celtics in the playoffs last year, and he did a really good job. He's still a very capable player.

But he was playing about 30 mpg in the regular season when he was bumped up to 35 mpg. You can't play him 21 mpg the entire regular season, and then expect him to be able to play 30+ mpg. Now should be the time you start bumping his minutes and preparing him for the playoffs. I would say he should get 25 mpg on a consistent basis now.

And KG is maybe our most important player as far as pure impact goes. His +/- is consistently outstanding, because he is by far our best defensive player. Blatche has been a sieve on defense all year, and he's only worth playing when he's having a fantastic game offensively (like last night). When he's having a ho-hum offensive game, Blatche is just a liability, because his defense is terrible. KG is still the much better player, and in the playoffs, you want to play your best players as much as possible. The more of KG we see and the less of Blatche we see, the better team we are.


Kidd should definitely start extending him a bit. The only issue might be that KG is visibly tired when he plays hard for a couple minutes without a TV timeout or something. You're def right though, KG is our best defensive player and on a team that consistently plays "small" - he's one of the keys. People look at his low minutes and stats and think he's done but don't get to see how consistently he completely shuts down the paint. He's been strong on the boards too. Great, active hands still. Would love to see him and AK47 play next to each other more.

But with games like last night, I don't mind Kidd stretching Blatche's minutes. He seems to really avoid playing KG if the game isn't close and hopefully those minutes of rest add up by the end of the season.
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Re: PG: Good Job, Good Effort 

Post#197 » by WhateverBro » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:51 pm

therealbig3 wrote:But I will say that Kidd's handling of KG, although pretty over the top in terms of how much he keeps him off the floor, has worked. I haven't heard ANYTHING regarding KG's health all year, and that's pretty amazing for a 38 year old who always seemed to have something wrong with him the last few years.


Yeah, although games like last night is way over the top. KG will need to have his minutes extended BEFORE the playoffs, that's what I'm worried about. He needs to play atleast 33 minutes in the playoffs and that means that he will need to bump him up to around 28 minutes per game to get him ready for the playoffs.

I don't think that going from his 20 mpg to 35 minutes in the playoffs will work, he will need to up his minutes gradually. Especially now that we're making a run at the 3rd seed.

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