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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#261 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:47 am

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Nah son, it's not the snub. It's the principle. All in all, Joe Johnson is a bum. That is all. Moving on.


Principle of what that Eastern Conference coaches felt he deserved to be in there? And how is that a reflection on Nets fans? Because we're the ones that chose him to play?

Go back to your board man and enjoy your All Star snub before he walks this offseason


Never mentioned anything about Nets fans at all. Get your facts straight. Unlikely he walks this season, however it is highly likely your team gets knocked out the first round, with the highest payroll in history, no assets, flexibility or draft picks in the near future. :lol:


That comment stings so badly because it's true.
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#262 » by Keith Van Horn » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:18 pm

I fell asleep last night with 8 minutes left. Sad to see a loss upon waking up. Here's to a win tonight in LA.

wow poor shooting night... 2-21 from 3? pitiful!
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#263 » by F3LON » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:22 pm

macgyver893 wrote:I fell asleep last night with 8 minutes left. Sad to see a loss upon waking up. Here's to a win tonight in LA.

wow poor shooting night... 2-21 from 3? pitiful!


I made it through the 1st quarter but passed out from vodka drinks my girl made. Im rewatching the game now so I can catch up.
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#264 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:04 pm

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macgyver893 wrote:I fell asleep last night with 8 minutes left. Sad to see a loss upon waking up. Here's to a win tonight in LA.

wow poor shooting night... 2-21 from 3? pitiful!


I made it through the 1st quarter but passed out from vodka drinks my girl made. Im rewatching the game now so I can catch up.


Don't waste your time unless you want to watch a brickfest
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#265 » by Prokorov » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:16 pm

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therealbig3 wrote: Deron played like an elite PG tonight. I guess every time Chris Paul or Tony Parker or Stephen Curry don't go for 30 and their team loses, they were only "ok". Deron outplayed his matchup tonight, and his matchup wasn't a bum either, it was an All-Star, and not just an All-Star, a superstar.


-Lol, elite point gaurd? deron played elite tonight? dude you have to be joking.

-this is a good game for dwill, this is an average or below average game for someone like paul

-im not sure how dwill outplayed curry... curry shot better, had more assists, had more rebounds, and hit the biggest shot of the game.


Curry shot better, because he's a better shooter. But he wasn't his typical self, he was basically turned into purely a jump shooter. He did make some nice passes though, but he wasn't the offensive creator that Deron was tonight.

Deron played better defense than Curry too. Curry to me was pretty invisible most of the night, while Deron was keeping the Nets in it. Curry wasn't even their best player tonight, Jermaine O'Neal was.


so curry didnt play like himself, has better stats, yet somehow dwill outplayed him?

deron created more offense yet curry had more assists and his team more points? hmm...
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#266 » by Prokorov » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:20 pm

Paradise wrote:Curry barely got any open looks, his shots were usually contested off the dribble and he only attempted 4 threes and he usually averages 10 attempts. He usually makes 5 threes a game and he only made three. He couldn't stay in front of Deron either and Deron blew by him multiple times. Mark Jackson took him out of the game at one point for a long period of time as he only played 31 minutes which is very rare.


dwill didnt "blow by him all game"... evidence to which is dwill only getting like 2 or 4 points in the paint and not setting up many/any layups or open shots.

curry didnt play much because their bench sustained the 3-4 point lead GS had and they are about to go on a 6 game road trip
O'neal and Green was the two guys who led them to a win. Deron flat out limited Curry all night long. I don't understand how anyone can argue differently. If your going to complain about Deron, give him credit where credit is due when he delivers. No PG in the league averages 30 a game. He played like a top 10 PG and he played on both ends.


deron didnt limit anything... the nets didnt want curry shooting and they made a team effort to make sure he didnt. how many open dunks did oneal get becase KG/Blatche/AK/etc would jump at curry and thompson and overhelp anytime they might have an open look? deron gaurded curry, so did the ohter 4 guys he was on the court with. and curry still had better numbers then dwill

it woudl just be nice if our star PG played like one now and then
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#267 » by Prokorov » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:22 pm

therealbig3 wrote:Holy **** ing ****, reading comprehension must really suck around here. I said it was an average game for an elite PG. He played LIKE an elite PG would have. Not that it was an elite game in general. I even specifically pointed out how it WASN'T anything like a transcendent game. If I said it's an average game for an elite PG, that means I'm saying if your averages are 20/6 and good efficiency, you're elite. How many non-elite PGs have something like those averages?



only those arent his averages and 20/6 is a good game for him these days, not an average one... yes this is an an avg game for an elite PG.. for instance curry put up basically the same numbers on an off night. this was dwills best game of the month and 2nd best game of 2014.

if he was doing this every night we wouldnt be calling him a below avg PG
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#268 » by ThatDudeDangelo » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:37 pm

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Principle of what that Eastern Conference coaches felt he deserved to be in there? And how is that a reflection on Nets fans? Because we're the ones that chose him to play?

Go back to your board man and enjoy your All Star snub before he walks this offseason


Never mentioned anything about Nets fans at all. Get your facts straight. Unlikely he walks this season, however it is highly likely your team gets knocked out the first round, with the highest payroll in history, no assets, flexibility or draft picks in the near future. :lol:


That comment stings so badly because it's true.


Didn't mean to rub it in, but at least you can accept the facts. Unlike most of the fans here on your board, who will become ignorant and bring up irrelevant topics such as being Canadians as their rebuttal. Smh
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#269 » by DarkXaero » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:53 pm

Why is there a Raptors fan here when this game had nothing to do with the Raptors? Still bitching about the Kyle Lowry snub? Jesus man, move on ffs.
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#270 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:41 pm

ThatDudeDangelo wrote:
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Never mentioned anything about Nets fans at all. Get your facts straight. Unlikely he walks this season, however it is highly likely your team gets knocked out the first round, with the highest payroll in history, no assets, flexibility or draft picks in the near future. :lol:


That comment stings so badly because it's true.


Didn't mean to rub it in, but at least you can accept the facts. Unlike most of the fans here on your board, who will become ignorant and bring up irrelevant topics such as being Canadians as their rebuttal. Smh


Your comment was true, but your attempt to insult everyone on here is unwarranted. Piss off, troll.
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#271 » by NyCeEvO » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:06 pm

I do find it odd that we can skewer a player like D-Will (and justifiably so) for his poor play, but JJ goes virtually unscathed by us even though he was brought here to be a star player in his own right.

Both players said that by having each other in the backcourt, life should be easier for them. Although D-Will has been crap for most of his Nets career, we've at least seen 1/2 of a season where he played like a star.

JJ doesn't playing anything like a star whatsoever.

He's a guy who should be seeking to score at least 20ppg and even if he doesn't, he should at least act like he cares about the game. He has so many single digit shot attempt games where he's clearly not even trying to lead the team to victory.

And I don't want to hear "Oh, but he's tired because he plays defense" excuse. He's an above-average defender but we shouldn't act like he expends all of his energy playing defense and he's far from a lockdown guy. He's more interested in collecting shoes to fill up his 2-story closet with than actually bringing it on a nightly basis.

He's been such a disappointment as a Net and if it wasn't for his end of game heroics from time to time, there's very little that distinguishes him from other role players who score 15ppg other than the fact that he's got the 2nd highest contract in the league and gets paid more than LBJ and KD.
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#272 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:17 pm

D-Will gets his back kicked in because he's been for the most part underwhelming ever since we traded for his washed up ass, and even WORSE since we signed him to that god awful extension.

Joe Johnson being a Net is a bi product of trying to appease a player who isn't worth the money he wipes his ass with. Nearly every bad move made by King is a result of trying to appease this guy, and look at the end result.
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Post#273 » by therealbig3 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:30 pm

Yeah, but it's gotten to the point where D-Will gets his back kicked in even when he plays well. It's just stupid.

Criticize him when he plays like crap, but then at the very least, shut the **** up when he actually plays a good game. Don't keep repeating nonsense as if it's fact.
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#274 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:36 pm

I didn't criticize Williams' play last night though. I was dismayed at the team in general and didn't single him out at all.

Every player on this team and the hapless head coach deserves to be thrown under the bus. Anyone who tries to blame D-Will solely at this point is being dishonest.

**** him, **** Johnson, **** Garnett, **** Pierce, **** Blatche, **** everyone on this damned, poorly put together roster. The product is unwatchable.
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Post#275 » by NyCeEvO » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:50 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Joe Johnson being a Net is a bi product of trying to appease a player who isn't worth the money he wipes his ass with. Nearly every bad move made by King is a result of trying to appease this guy, and look at the end result.

So basically we can excuse JJ playing like crap because he was brought in to appease Deron?

That doesn't really make sense. Each player in the NBA is his own man.

D-Will isn't telling JJ how and when to play well. JJ was markedly better than this when he was on the Hawks. All of a sudden his play takes a nosedive and that's all D-Will's fault?

If you want to blame the acquisition of D-Will I could somewhat understand the logic of that even though it was Billy King who decided to go after JJ when he could've gone after other players. But to link JJ's poor play as a Net for these 2 seasons to King's desire to keep D-Will can't be placed on Deron.
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#276 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:15 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Joe Johnson being a Net is a bi product of trying to appease a player who isn't worth the money he wipes his ass with. Nearly every bad move made by King is a result of trying to appease this guy, and look at the end result.

So basically we can excuse JJ playing like crap because he was brought in to appease Deron?

That doesn't really make sense. Each player in the NBA is his own man.

D-Will isn't telling JJ how and when to play well. JJ was markedly better than this when he was on the Hawks. All of a sudden his play takes a nosedive and that's all D-Will's fault?

If you want to blame the acquisition of D-Will I could somewhat understand the logic of that even though it was Billy King who decided to go after JJ when he could've gone after other players. But to link JJ's poor play as a Net for these 2 seasons to King's desire to keep D-Will can't be placed on Deron.


I am blaming the fact that Johnson is here on the need to appease D-Will.

I have never excused his poor play. I just explained why people kill Williams before they go after Johnson.
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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#277 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:52 am

MrDollarBills wrote:I am blaming the fact that Johnson is here on the need to appease D-Will.

I have never excused his poor play. I just explained why people kill Williams before they go after Johnson.

But that's what any general manager would do if they have the opportunity to do so.

Melo is doing right now what D-Will did. The star player doesn't want to lose their leverage so the franchise doesn't feel the need to improve and therefore they won't full commit to returning at all costs.

I was always confident that D-Will liked and NYC and truly wanted to stay. It was up to Billy to make a playoff team with room to grow to keep D-Will here.

Give any other GM the assets Billy King had when he traded for Wallace and JJ and I bet they get a better return on their investment as well as a verbal agreement that D-Will would come back. IMO Billy knew that he just needed a simple playoff team to get Deron confident enough to stay for the long term. Yet Wallace and JJ were the best players he thought he could get.

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Re: PG: Joe Johnson, The Mental Midget 

Post#278 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:42 am

very late on this as i've been busy all of a sudden... but how the **** did we lose to the Ws without Lee n Bogut and KG played for us?

oh right, we're the Nets... ftt
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