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[Albanian Damien]

The only reason why the negativity gets annoying because the expectations placed on this team were pretty unrealistic. 50 wins, winning the division, immediate contender. Looking back on it that seems ridiculous. However this team is literally playing in its first season together. You guys hang onto every bad game they have. When the reality is that every game in a season is part of a progress.. This is going to continue to be a work in progress. You have to understand that.. For example, yes they got blown out in the Portland game which was unacceptable but then they showed resolve by coming out next game and blowing out the Nuggets. Every game is a learning experience for this team at this point. The talent is absolutely there.. if this team can hit its stride before the playoffs, which isn't unrealistic at all, it's going to be very dangerous. Basically what im saying is, this team is just worried about getting to the Playoffs at this point. After that the East is wide open..

The East is wide open??? In what league?

Miami, Indiana, Washington, Chicago and Toronto would all wipe their ASSES with this team. Charlotte could probably beat us as well.

If you want to say that expectations were too high that's fine, but for the league's highest payroll to yield a sub .500 record n March is inexcusable.

Miami is the only team that is 100% proven out of that group. The team got off to a really bad start. They were 10-21. Since then they've gone 18-8 there are two sides to every story.. I'm kinda starting to understand why this team lacks pride/emotion they have the most pessimistic fans I've ever seen.. and I grew up watching the Knicks so that should really tell you something

[Paradise]

its also annoying reading blind homerism. If you don't get mad every single game your team doesn't show up then you're not a real fan. I don't care if its already obvious this team is going to underachieve. If they come out next game and get blown out I'm going to complain and call people on their bad play because I'm a fan and that's what fans do.

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Blind homerism is somebody that thinks this team is inconsistent and mediocre because KG doesn't play enough minutes or because we had injuries. That's blind homerism.

Who doesn't get mad here when the team doesn't show up? Complaining when they do show up basketball and play a good game is the issue. What's wrong If a certain poster is trying to be optimistic after a couple wins, especially when are 18-8 in 2014?

We all know this team sucks, highly flawed, poorly put together, disappointing and the core pieces themselves are the cause of it along with the GM but there is no need to continuously shove that already known fact down the throats of others who are trying to be somewhat positive for the 1 month and a half of the regular season and playoffs.

Who is this team showing up against?

A couple of wins against bad teams?

When the Nets played a legit team they got blown out by FORTY POINTS

You cannot take people to task for being down on this SLOP that the Nets have marched out onto the court.

So, you want to harp on the Portland game against a "legit team" but ignore the the fact we've faced Miami, Golden State, Phoenix, Dallas, LA Clippers, OKC and won a few games against those "legit" teams? We also own the 3rd best record in the NBA against the Western Conference. So, clearly we've faced more than a few legit teams.

There is a difference if nobody acknowledged how disappointing this team is from top to bottom but that isn't the case. I think we all understand how putrid of a performance it was in Portland but to berate other posters that are trying to be positive and optimistic on a game to game basis about moving up the playoff seeding after two wins is simply annoying and obnoxious.

We had 40 wins at this time last season and fighting to finish 3rd or 2nd in the East and they were still people bitching and moaning about the same things and driving the same bias agenda about certain players.

At end of the day, we are forced to keep this core around for the next 2 seasons. People bitch and complain about it but when you bring up 2016 and the possibility of attracting elite free agents you have to read "But we suck so who's gonna win with us! nobody is gonna come here!!!"

[Prokorov]

The only reason why the negativity gets annoying because the expectations placed on this team were pretty unrealistic. 50 wins, winning the division, immediate contender. Looking back on it that seems ridiculous. However this team is literally playing in its first season together. You guys hang onto every bad game they have. When the reality is that every game in a season is part of a progress.. This is going to continue to be a work in progress. You have to understand that.. For example, yes they got blown out in the Portland game which was unacceptable but then they showed resolve by coming out next game and blowing out the Nuggets. Every game is a learning experience for this team at this point. The talent is absolutely there.. if this team can hit its stride before the playoffs, which isn't unrealistic at all, it's going to be very dangerous. Basically what im saying is, this team is just worried about getting to the Playoffs at this point. After that the East is wide open..

the east is wide open? there are like 3 good teams and the rest are trash. i dont see any reason to believe this team would be dangerous in the playoffs after watching them be a losing team for 60 games that gets waxed by good teams, rarely shows up for more then 1-2 games a week, and who plays with the effort of a tanking lottery team.

id also debate that "the talent is there" i dont think it is.

[Prokorov]

Every single bold prediction about this team is solely based on IF they play up to their potential, because we've seen flashes of it, and we're a very good team when we're at that level. NOBODY thinks that the Nets average level of play this season is going to win them anything in the playoffs. I wish people would stop assuming that's what people are saying.

We've seen the kind of team we are when our guys are all playing well, and we're a really good team when that happens. And the people that constantly say we might have a chance to make some noise in the playoffs (how much more tempered can you make expectations?) are only saying so IF our key players step up in the playoffs. I don't see what's wrong with those kind of expectations.

BTW, let me address the Deron Williams criticism: why are people so obsessed with numbers? Watch the damn games. Deron played a good game last night. What, the guy's shot can never be off? I like how some people give the benefit of the doubt for poor numbers to other players, but won't do the same for Deron, or rather, won't actually consider context. Newsflash, you can play a good game without putting up huge numbers. Was he creating offense? Yes. Was he dictating the tempo? Yes. Was he playing good defense? Yes. Even if he's not making shots, even if he's not directly being credited for an assist, you can do all of those things and have a positive impact on a game, which he did.

It almost doesn't matter anymore, people just want to hate on him and actually root for him to fail so that they can be right...his numbers are down, he clearly sucks, and there's just no possible way he had good impact...he puts up good numbers, he still clearly sucks, because they must have been empty numbers and he still didn't make an impact. Just come out and say you're completely un-objective and will just hate on him regardless of what he does. Don't pretend like you're actually giving sound analysis.

who is asking for deron to put up great numbers? i just want him to play like an average or better NBA point gaurd. not like jameer nelson. him trying hard is nice, since he has been such a dog since joining this franchise, but that simply isnt enough.

and using the "eyeball test" for williams only hurts his case, not help it

[Prokorov]

And it was like this last year when the team won 49 games! When there were no championship expectations, merely expectations of being a sure-fire playoff team. Sure, it was embarrassing how they went out in the playoffs...but there was bitching going on for the ENTIRE season, before we were even eliminated. Even though this team was pretty good.



Some people on this board just want to complain about everything.

last years team was not very good and our record vs. 500+ competition showed that. we merely beat up on the bad teams in the league for the most part. we also played with the lowest amount of effort and energy in the league which is why some of us complained all season -- because we knew that would be our undoing. and it ultimately was as the bulls basically beat us by working harder

[Prokorov]

The only reason why the negativity gets annoying because the expectations placed on this team were pretty unrealistic. 50 wins, winning the division, immediate contender. Looking back on it that seems ridiculous. However this team is literally playing in its first season together. You guys hang onto every bad game they have. When the reality is that every game in a season is part of a progress.. This is going to continue to be a work in progress. You have to understand that.. For example, yes they got blown out in the Portland game which was unacceptable but then they showed resolve by coming out next game and blowing out the Nuggets. Every game is a learning experience for this team at this point. The talent is absolutely there.. if this team can hit its stride before the playoffs, which isn't unrealistic at all, it's going to be very dangerous. Basically what im saying is, this team is just worried about getting to the Playoffs at this point. After that the East is wide open..

The East is wide open??? In what league?

Miami, Indiana, Washington, Chicago and Toronto would all wipe their ASSES with this team. Charlotte could probably beat us as well.

If you want to say that expectations were too high that's fine, but for the league's highest payroll to yield a sub .500 record n March is inexcusable.

Miami is the only team that is 100% proven out of that group. The team got off to a really bad start. They were 10-21. Since then they've gone 18-8 there are two sides to every story.. I'm kinda starting to understand why this team lacks pride/emotion they have the most pessimistic fans I've ever seen.. and I grew up watching the Knicks so that should really tell you something

i love this 18-8 stuff to make it sound like we are currently playing good basketball.

we are 8-7 in our last 15 games. we are playing .500 ball. we arent playing good basketball anymore. its march, january is way back in the rear view mirror

[MrDollarBills]

Blind homerism is somebody that thinks this team is inconsistent and mediocre because KG doesn't play enough minutes or because we had injuries. That's blind homerism.

Who doesn't get mad here when the team doesn't show up? Complaining when they do show up basketball and play a good game is the issue. What's wrong If a certain poster is trying to be optimistic after a couple wins, especially when are 18-8 in 2014?

We all know this team sucks, highly flawed, poorly put together, disappointing and the core pieces themselves are the cause of it along with the GM but there is no need to continuously shove that already known fact down the throats of others who are trying to be somewhat positive for the 1 month and a half of the regular season and playoffs.

Who is this team showing up against?

A couple of wins against bad teams?

When the Nets played a legit team they got blown out by FORTY POINTS

You cannot take people to task for being down on this SLOP that the Nets have marched out onto the court.

So, you want to harp on the Portland game against a "legit team" but ignore the the fact we've faced Miami, Golden State, Phoenix, Dallas, LA Clippers, OKC and won a few games against those "legit" teams? We also own the 3rd best record in the NBA against the Western Conference. So, clearly we've faced more than a few legit teams.

There is a difference if nobody acknowledged how disappointing this team is from top to bottom but that isn't the case. I think we all understand how putrid of a performance it was in Portland but to berate other posters that are trying to be positive and optimistic on a game to game basis about moving up the playoff seeding after two wins is simply annoying and obnoxious.

We had 40 wins at this time last season and fighting to finish 3rd or 2nd in the East and they were still people bitching and moaning about the same things and driving the same bias agenda about certain players.

At end of the day, we are forced to keep this core around for the next 2 seasons. People bitch and complain about it but when you bring up 2016 and the possibility of attracting elite free agents you have to read "But we suck so who's gonna win with us! nobody is gonna come here!!!"

The Nets looked good for about 10 games at the start of this year. Since then, they have not looked remotely like a team worth a damn and are lucky that the East is so putrid because the same people getting upset at the ones who aren't buying into staying positive about this garbage team would be crying that we're about to lose a lottery pick to the Hawks. We have had some god awful performances where the team went out there and did not give a ****, the losses against OKC, CHI, and recently POR are nothing to hang your hat on.

No one is berating anyone here except the folks getting pissed at people for being negative.

[brigadierjerry]

Albanian

u r no longer a Knicks fan or were u a Knicks fan?

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[Albanian Damien]

Albanian

u r no longer a Knicks fan or were u a Knicks fan?

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haha good question. I started watching the NBA around 1999, and started following it heavily in 2002. I always watched the Knicks but I started off as Timberwolves fan, then a trade made me a Celtics fan, and another trade made me get stuck watching this POS team Some people are going to say Im a bandwagon fan but I don't give up on teams just because theyre bad. I watched the Timberwolves miss the playoffs, I watched Boston lose to Knicks in the first round, and I'm going to watch this regardless of how they finish up this season. I go down with the ship

[Albanian Damien]

So I know I haven't been around as long as most of you guys, but my only point I'm trying to say is that you guys should just have a little faith in your team. Now, I'm not going to sit here and tell you how to be a fan.. It's jus I cant imagine being that negative all the time.. Where does the fun come out of that haha

[Prokorov]

So I know I haven't been around as long as most of you guys, but my only point I'm trying to say is that you guys should just have a little faith in your team. Now, I'm not going to sit here and tell you how to be a fan.. It's jus I cant imagine being that negative all the time.. Where does the fun come out of that haha

fun? were longtime nets fans. fun comes once every couple decades for us

why would we have faith in this team when they have proven to be doormats who just lay down when the going gets tough and have shown time and time again they cant compete with good teams. the playoffs are going to be really ugly for us. we saw last year how the bulls upped their level of play and intensity and we were the same team that just turtles when another team throws a punch.

who is there to have faith in? Joe Johnson who has historically been awful in the playoffs? Deron williams who is having the worst year of his career since his rookie season? Shaun Livingston who has been inspiring but is at best a very good role player? Pierce and Garnett who are a year older then last season when they couldnt carry their team past the knicks and pierce was getting shut down by fat felton for long stretches?

if being 100% honest, i'll be happy if we just make the playoffs cause i can see a scenario where it doesnt happen. after that im fine with our fate of losing to the bulls/raptors/heat/indy in 5 games in the first round. ive come to grips with that.... it just makes it kind of frustrating when people here are saying we can challenge the heat because we beat the lakers one night.

[brigadierjerry]

so I assume ur a garnet fan following ur trajectory?I am and always will be a knick fan but u don't have the emotional attachment as longtime fans of their teams dies

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[brigadierjerry]

meant to say does not dies

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[VCRJKidd15]

The only reason why the negativity gets annoying because the expectations placed on this team were pretty unrealistic. 50 wins, winning the division, immediate contender. Looking back on it that seems ridiculous. However this team is literally playing in its first season together. You guys hang onto every bad game they have. When the reality is that every game in a season is part of a progress.. This is going to continue to be a work in progress. You have to understand that.. For example, yes they got blown out in the Portland game which was unacceptable but then they showed resolve by coming out next game and blowing out the Nuggets. Every game is a learning experience for this team at this point. The talent is absolutely there.. if this team can hit its stride before the playoffs, which isn't unrealistic at all, it's going to be very dangerous. Basically what im saying is, this team is just worried about getting to the Playoffs at this point. After that the East is wide open..

The East is wide open??? In what league?

Miami, Indiana, Washington, Chicago and Toronto would all wipe their ASSES with this team. Charlotte could probably beat us as well.

If you want to say that expectations were too high that's fine, but for the league's highest payroll to yield a sub .500 record n March is inexcusable.

It's wahh city ITT

I can tell some are dying for D-Will to have a terrible game just to complain bout it and feel right.

[Prokorov]

I can tell some are dying for D-Will to have a terrible game just to complain bout it and feel right.

"dying" for dwill to have a bad game? it happens all the time you dont have to like sit around with your fingers crossed. im "dying" for him to put together a 5 or 6 game span where he plays well, thats what im dying for.

Call it whining or whatever you want.... but im not going to sit quiet and excuse away all the horrible play and horrible effort and horrible coaching or pretend like we are some good team thats just waiting until the postseason to turn it on.

It isnt easy for me to watch nets games. I had to get the NBA League pass package, and then get a 11 game partial ticket plan and drive 4 hours each way to get to the arena from boston for those games. So it is a bit frustrating spending that 4-5 hour car ride back after watching the team lay an egg or play terrible.

i spent a pretty penny to be at game 7 last season. we didnt even show up. people are still excusing away that loss. i was there. the bulls took it from us like candy from a baby and the core group that rolled over from that team is still here doing the same garbage

[Paradise]

i spent a pretty penny to be at game 7 last season. we didnt even show up. people are still excusing away that loss. i was there. the bulls took it from us like candy from a baby and the core group that rolled over from that team is still here doing the same garbage

And they will be here for another 2 years. So, what's the point in complaining at this point? We aren't winning a championship with this core but It shouldn't stop people from wanting to see them make the playoffs and compete for the next 2 years.

[Prokorov]

And they will be here for another 2 years.

hopefully they wont be here for 2 years, but that is wishful thinking.

So, what's the point in complaining at this point?

right lets just accept it and throw a huge giant party every time the nets play horrible instead right

im a fan, when the team plays awful that bothers me... especially when i pay money and spend time traveling to see them... and which case im going to complain about it.

im a real fan of this team, who ive rooted for for 30 years... i dont just follow them when they are good. and cant just stop watching now because they are a bad team now.

im going to complain each and every single game this team shows a terrible effort. if that bothers you i suggest you utilize the ignore feature

It shouldn't stop people from wanting to see them make the playoffs and compete for the next 2 years.

of course i want to see them make the playoffs... which is why i get so upset when they piss away games and play awful because we could miss the playoffs and with this kind of effort are a sure bet to lose in the first round.

i cant believe there isnt more outcry over this team. even an average team should be 5-10 games over .500 in this terrible east. to be under .500 is about as bad as it gets. id rank this season worse then the 70 loss season and by a large margin

[therealbig3]

Let me be clear: I have no problem with people complaining...when it's warranted. To keep pissing on the team even after they win games is just going overboard imo.

For example, after the Portland game...zero issue with anyone that was killing the team, because they deserved it. But I thought the posts throughout the Nuggets game were a little ridiculous, because nobody expected them to win that game, let alone make it competitive, let alone blow them out, and yet people were still raining on everyone's parade that was actually trying to enjoy the fact that the Nets were actually blowing someone out for once.

[Prokorov]

Let me be clear: I have no problem with people complaining...when it's warranted. To keep pissing on the team even after they win games is just going overboard imo.

i dont think its unwarranted to get on the team for playing poorly against awful tank commanders or otherwise bad teams. for isntance if we are barely beating a spurs team without its top 7 guys or the 76ers or whatever... or in general when certainly players who are paid like stars dont carry their weight.

winning isnt all that matters... the level of the teams play is important going into the playoffs. the same effort that scrapes by the bucks likely doesnt get by chicago or toronto in the playoffs. want the team to play well isnt some crime. and you absolutely CAN play poorly in a win

For example, after the Portland game...zero issue with anyone that was killing the team, because they deserved it. But I thought the posts throughout the Nuggets game were a little ridiculous, because nobody expected them to win that game, let alone make it competitive, let alone blow them out, and yet people were still raining on everyone's parade that was actually trying to enjoy the fact that the Nets were actually blowing someone out for once.

i did not post any such things during the denver game. i did post some after, responding to things like "we just beat denver in denver... we are a good team. we are 18-8 in the new year. we can absolute beat miami" and riddiculous stuff like that.

Deron williams is playing like crap
joe johnson is playing like garbage
our team as a whole has played .500 basketball for over a month(8-7 in the last 15)
blatche has been more bad then good recently
garnett has had some bad games defensively of late
mirza has been god awful recently

i dont see this outcry to correct people and point out that we arent playing good basketball right now and to continue playing this level almost gaurantees a first round exit. that 9-1 start to the new year is well in the rear view mirror now. this team is NOT playing well by any means.