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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#301 » by djsunyc » Wed Mar 5, 2014 3:35 pm

therealbig3 wrote:Well, let's look at our 8 losses in 2014:

1. 16 point loss @Toronto (back to back, without KG, tightly contested game until the 4th quarter)
2. 1 point loss vs Toronto (back to back, fluke TO at the end of the game)


derozan didn't play in the 2nd game.

ultimately, there's not point in trying to make up excuses or reasons to fit the narrative. the nets sole focus in the regular season is to make the playoffs. then hope their experience will be enough to win a series or two. there are no back 2 backs in the playoffs (which is stupid imho) so it will come down to experience, talent, and coaching (moreso than the regular season).

the only thing that's evident is that the nets need to play plumlee more and more. it's an athletic league so you need athletes on the floor.
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#302 » by Prokorov » Wed Mar 5, 2014 4:48 pm

djsunyc wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:Well, let's look at our 8 losses in 2014:

1. 16 point loss @Toronto (back to back, without KG, tightly contested game until the 4th quarter)
2. 1 point loss vs Toronto (back to back, fluke TO at the end of the game)


derozan didn't play in the 2nd game.

ultimately, there's not point in trying to make up excuses or reasons to fit the narrative. the nets sole focus in the regular season is to make the playoffs. then hope their experience will be enough to win a series or two. there are no back 2 backs in the playoffs (which is stupid imho) so it will come down to experience, talent, and coaching (moreso than the regular season).

the only thing that's evident is that the nets need to play plumlee more and more. it's an athletic league so you need athletes on the floor.



you can point to back to backs. but then there is also the fact we have been terrible on the road. their are road games in the playoffs, especially if you arent a top seed.
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Post#303 » by HelloBrooklyn » Wed Mar 5, 2014 9:10 pm

therealbig3 wrote:I figured my Skyrim reference would have given it away, but I wasn't really being serious. I'll be honest: I'm an unathletic nerd who was a science major in college, lol. But I have played pick up basketball ever since I was little, and I've followed the NBA religiously for about 15 years now. I fail to see how I can't have an insight into basketball players as a result. I know the game.

Saying that Deron was more interested in putting up stats than helping the team win last year after the ASB is pure unsubstantiated speculation that borders on slander. And especially when that opinion flies in the face of what the overwhelming majority believes (that he actually stepped it up and played like a superstar and was the main reason why this team finished the season pretty strong last year), you better have solid evidence for that, and you just don't. So don't get upset when you justifiably get ridiculed for that position.


Your skyrim reference was not a factor on how I determine you are not a basketball player. I actually didn't even notice it until you pointed it out. It was the lack of confidence, fear, and a bunch of other factors. This situation is a good analogy on how I can evaluate Deron the way you aren't able to comprehend it. You fail to have insight into a basketball player's mind because you fail to have the ability to put yourself into another person's shoes. You also fail to add other factor in your philosophy of basketball(i.e. you are looking at a lake instead of the ocean). A good example for you where I can relate you is Lawrence Frank. Frank has a good understanding of basketball but not a good coach because he never played the game. This is why his pre game preparation is great but has no clue on his in-game adjustments.

There are things you won't understand on how professionals see basketball. Pro's sees basketball as their life and they grew up with that mentality because everyone in life tells them. This is something you have to understand which is why momentum changes are a big deal. I don't know how else to describe it. The best thing I can think of is if you are passionate on something. Unless you have no passion in anything in your life then I understand why you think this is bull crap.

When I called you out? Would you consider that sladerous when its true? Keep in mind I didn't have any hard evidence to call you out like that. There are evidence sprinkled around through his body language and how he react to everything on why I came to that conclusion. Him not being able to step it on dire situations specially us getting outplayed by a depleted Bulls team is enough to come to a conclusion on what he prioritize in life.

Playing like the way he did against the Bulls team shows something that change his perspective on how he deals on things. You can tell by the way he carried himself and the lack of hesitation he usually does (Again i'm not expecting you to understand this). This game is something personal towards the players and overcoming something like this is huge deal into a person who believe basketball is life.

Also, Deron himself also pointed out that he doesn't need to put up his Utah numbers (20/10) in order to have his Utah impact, since it was a different system and different team and so his numbers might change. So he also understood that his personal numbers didn't really matter, it was his impact that mattered. So that's another piece of evidence flying in the face of the assertion that Deron was essentially stat padding last year post-ASB.


If I said my dick is as big as mandingo's would you believe me? Do you honestly believe that when he clearly pointed out that he was lacking confidence this season? Where do you think would trigger his lack of confidence?? HMMM? If you are really that naive i'm guessing you watch Fox news as well?

Don't think i'm just a DWILL hater. I was as excited as anyone when we traded for him because at that time I thought he was the best PG in the game. What made me believe the way about him is the actions that he brought in the past 3 seasons.
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#304 » by therealbig3 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 11:11 pm

HelloBrooklyn wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:I figured my Skyrim reference would have given it away, but I wasn't really being serious. I'll be honest: I'm an unathletic nerd who was a science major in college, lol. But I have played pick up basketball ever since I was little, and I've followed the NBA religiously for about 15 years now. I fail to see how I can't have an insight into basketball players as a result. I know the game.

Saying that Deron was more interested in putting up stats than helping the team win last year after the ASB is pure unsubstantiated speculation that borders on slander. And especially when that opinion flies in the face of what the overwhelming majority believes (that he actually stepped it up and played like a superstar and was the main reason why this team finished the season pretty strong last year), you better have solid evidence for that, and you just don't. So don't get upset when you justifiably get ridiculed for that position.


Your skyrim reference was not a factor on how I determine you are not a basketball player. I actually didn't even notice it until you pointed it out. It was the lack of confidence, fear, and a bunch of other factors. This situation is a good analogy on how I can evaluate Deron the way you aren't able to comprehend it. You fail to have insight into a basketball player's mind because you fail to have the ability to put yourself into another person's shoes. You also fail to add other factor in your philosophy of basketball(i.e. you are looking at a lake instead of the ocean). A good example for you where I can relate you is Lawrence Frank. Frank has a good understanding of basketball but not a good coach because he never played the game. This is why his pre game preparation is great but has no clue on his in-game adjustments.

There are things you won't understand on how professionals see basketball. Pro's sees basketball as their life and they grew up with that mentality because everyone in life tells them. This is something you have to understand which is why momentum changes are a big deal. I don't know how else to describe it. The best thing I can think of is if you are passionate on something. Unless you have no passion in anything in your life then I understand why you think this is bull crap.

When I called you out? Would you consider that sladerous when its true? Keep in mind I didn't have any hard evidence to call you out like that. There are evidence sprinkled around through his body language and how he react to everything on why I came to that conclusion. Him not being able to step it on dire situations specially us getting outplayed by a depleted Bulls team is enough to come to a conclusion on what he prioritize in life.

Playing like the way he did against the Bulls team shows something that change his perspective on how he deals on things. You can tell by the way he carried himself and the lack of hesitation he usually does (Again i'm not expecting you to understand this). This game is something personal towards the players and overcoming something like this is huge deal into a person who believe basketball is life.

Also, Deron himself also pointed out that he doesn't need to put up his Utah numbers (20/10) in order to have his Utah impact, since it was a different system and different team and so his numbers might change. So he also understood that his personal numbers didn't really matter, it was his impact that mattered. So that's another piece of evidence flying in the face of the assertion that Deron was essentially stat padding last year post-ASB.


If I said my dick is as big as mandingo's would you believe me? Do you honestly believe that when he clearly pointed out that he was lacking confidence this season? Where do you think would trigger his lack of confidence?? HMMM? If you are really that naive i'm guessing you watch Fox news as well?

Don't think i'm just a DWILL hater. I was as excited as anyone when we traded for him because at that time I thought he was the best PG in the game. What made me believe the way about him is the actions that he brought in the past 3 seasons.


This is an example of someone thinking they're a lot smarter than they actually are.

I can't put myself in other people's shoes? I can't understand the game because I never played? I'm showing a lack of confidence, and fear?

WTH? There are so many blanket conclusions in there that you're arriving at based on nothing.
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#305 » by HelloBrooklyn » Thu Mar 6, 2014 12:27 am

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This is an example of someone thinking they're a lot smarter than they actually are.

I can't put myself in other people's shoes? I can't understand the game because I never played? I'm showing a lack of confidence, and fear?

WTH? There are so many blanket conclusions in there that you're arriving at based on nothing.


Obviously there is no evidence since the media didn't cover it. Yep, you are right i'm basing this off of nothing. The media always tells the truth we have to base everything off of them since that is the news right?

http://www.examiner.com/article/governm ... de-deceive

Maybe I am that smart? Or maybe i'm not... Who knows my grammar do suck. Isn't that hard evidence of an idiot? :lol: ORRR maybe the reality is that you aren't that smart? Maybe this will open your eyes. Who knows? Humans are all naturally egoist so how does this benefit me? Anyway, think what you want whatever makes you sleep at night bro.

P.S. don't ever call me out like that again.
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#306 » by therealbig3 » Thu Mar 6, 2014 12:36 am

HelloBrooklyn wrote:Obviously there is no evidence since the media didn't cover it. Yep, you are right i'm basing this off of nothing. The media always tells the truth we have to base everything off of them since that is the news right?

http://www.examiner.com/article/governm ... de-deceive

Maybe I am that smart? Or maybe i'm not... Who knows my grammar do suck. Isn't that hard evidence of an idiot? ORRR maybe the reality is that you aren't that smart? Maybe this will open your eyes. Who knows? Humans are all naturally egoist so how does this benefit me? Anyway, think what you want whatever makes you sleep at night bro.


Don't really understand the relevance of this. This isn't what we're talking about. You said that Deron played for numbers, not for the team, post-ASB. That's a very bold statement to make and it just doesn't match up with what everyone else saw. For you to get sensitive about being called out about it, and not to have any evidence whatsoever backing it up, and to just resort to saying "you just don't understand the game like I do" or to then evolve that into "the media is brainwashing you"...that's just weird. We all watched Deron play last year, and it was pretty general consensus that he was playing for the team, not for his individual stats. I guess you're just smarter than all of us, and understand the game better than all of us, and the media has brainwashed all of us?

HelloBrooklyn wrote:P.S. don't ever call me out like that again.


Or what, you'll go on another delusional, irrelevant rant? I'll call out baseless opinions, and you better back it up next time.
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Post#307 » by HelloBrooklyn » Thu Mar 6, 2014 7:50 am

therealbig3 wrote:
HelloBrooklyn wrote:Obviously there is no evidence since the media didn't cover it. Yep, you are right i'm basing this off of nothing. The media always tells the truth we have to base everything off of them since that is the news right?

http://www.examiner.com/article/governm ... de-deceive

Maybe I am that smart? Or maybe i'm not... Who knows my grammar do suck. Isn't that hard evidence of an idiot? ORRR maybe the reality is that you aren't that smart? Maybe this will open your eyes. Who knows? Humans are all naturally egoist so how does this benefit me? Anyway, think what you want whatever makes you sleep at night bro.


Don't really understand the relevance of this. This isn't what we're talking about. You said that Deron played for numbers, not for the team, post-ASB. That's a very bold statement to make and it just doesn't match up with what everyone else saw. For you to get sensitive about being called out about it, and not to have any evidence whatsoever backing it up, and to just resort to saying "you just don't understand the game like I do" or to then evolve that into "the media is brainwashing you"...that's just weird. We all watched Deron play last year, and it was pretty general consensus that he was playing for the team, not for his individual stats. I guess you're just smarter than all of us, and understand the game better than all of us, and the media has brainwashed all of us?

HelloBrooklyn wrote:P.S. don't ever call me out like that again.


Or what, you'll go on another delusional, irrelevant rant? I'll call out baseless opinions, and you better back it up next time.

It's the concept is what i'm trying to point out obviously not the brainwashing.... It's about saving face, playing politics. That's the analogy what i'm trying to point out. This is what i meant about the media. Especially quoting with basketball players. What I want you to understand is to read between the lines not trust what they fully say because their words is about carrying themselves to look good. I posted that link to see if you can create an analogy to link it to what i'm trying to say. It's definitely not concrete but its the gist of it.

My point is when DWill talks about how he felt he doesn't deserve to be an all-star then see a result of him playing 10x better from before. Consequently you see him not being able to carry a team against a depleted team. Yeah obviously you can't blame everything on him since Joe played like **** that series but that was DWill time to shine. Yet, he disappeared in the prominent moments we need baskets. Loosing to a much less talented team just from sheer hard work shows something about his character. Obviously you can't point everything out on D-Will since there are other factors. However, being the leader of our team he was the guy that needed to step up. So can you tell me with a straight face that he cares about winning with that type of performance in the playoffs?

I never said anything about him not playing for the team. I only said something about his individual numbers. Because it can go hand in hand. Him being a point guard obviously will help the team no matter what but I do believe that he prioritize numbers going back to the way it was. I'm not saying playing like his former self is necessarily a bad thing. However, what he is playing for is what I don't approve of. If he is playing to win then he should've had the confidence to beat the Bulls when we have all the advantage of the world to win that series. This is why I mentioned "fearlessness." Not being able to beat a team that you are suppose to beat shows fear of being satisfied on underachieving rather than over achieving.

Yet, you also can't claim that he doesn't care about his numbers either when recent reports which he said he lacks confidence. Why would it be in an all time low? Unless he cares about his stats which was incredibly low. If he truly believes that he doesn't care to put up Utah Jazz numbers his performance this season shouldn't affect him whatsoever and just completely help the team by making his plays as effective as possible.

Notice I use events no matter how they aren't "official reports" those are hard evidence that obviously goes hand in hand. These are reoccurring things that D-Will have the tendency of. There are more events that shows who he is but i'm not bonn a mention it since this is already long especially for what time it is.

My point on how this all started is that he never played to win. He seemed to prioritize being the superstar of a team than being the best. From this recent Bulls game I felt that he showed he that he actually wants to beat them. Which shows signs of improvements for him being able to believe that he can win it all.

BTW i'm not being sensitive or mad. I **** with people when i see them demeaning what I say. That's what I do. I find it humorous. I feel like this is the clearest I can make my argument. If you still can't comprehend what I'm saying then I really don't know how else to put it.
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#308 » by MGrand15 » Thu Mar 6, 2014 9:36 am

HelloBrooklyn wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:
HelloBrooklyn wrote:Obviously there is no evidence since the media didn't cover it. Yep, you are right i'm basing this off of nothing. The media always tells the truth we have to base everything off of them since that is the news right?

http://www.examiner.com/article/governm ... de-deceive

Maybe I am that smart? Or maybe i'm not... Who knows my grammar do suck. Isn't that hard evidence of an idiot? ORRR maybe the reality is that you aren't that smart? Maybe this will open your eyes. Who knows? Humans are all naturally egoist so how does this benefit me? Anyway, think what you want whatever makes you sleep at night bro.


Don't really understand the relevance of this. This isn't what we're talking about. You said that Deron played for numbers, not for the team, post-ASB. That's a very bold statement to make and it just doesn't match up with what everyone else saw. For you to get sensitive about being called out about it, and not to have any evidence whatsoever backing it up, and to just resort to saying "you just don't understand the game like I do" or to then evolve that into "the media is brainwashing you"...that's just weird. We all watched Deron play last year, and it was pretty general consensus that he was playing for the team, not for his individual stats. I guess you're just smarter than all of us, and understand the game better than all of us, and the media has brainwashed all of us?

HelloBrooklyn wrote:P.S. don't ever call me out like that again.


Or what, you'll go on another delusional, irrelevant rant? I'll call out baseless opinions, and you better back it up next time.

It's the concept is what i'm trying to point out obviously not the brainwashing.... It's about saving face, playing politics. That's the analogy what i'm trying to point out. This is what i meant about the media. Especially quoting with basketball players. What I want you to understand is to read between the lines not trust what they fully say because their words is about carrying themselves to look good. I posted that link to see if you can create an analogy to link it to what i'm trying to say. It's definitely not concrete but its the gist of it.

My point is when DWill talks about how he felt he doesn't deserve to be an all-star then see a result of him playing 10x better from before. Consequently you see him not being able to carry a team against a depleted team. Yeah obviously you can't blame everything on him since Joe played like **** that series but that was DWill time to shine. Yet, he disappeared in the prominent moments we need baskets. Loosing to a much less talented team just from sheer hard work shows something about his character. Obviously you can't point everything out on D-Will since there are other factors. However, being the leader of our team he was the guy that needed to step up. So can you tell me with a straight face that he cares about winning with that type of performance in the playoffs?

I never said anything about him not playing for the team. I only said something about his individual numbers. Because it can go hand in hand. Him being a point guard obviously will help the team no matter what but I do believe that he prioritize numbers going back to the way it was. I'm not saying playing like his former self is necessarily a bad thing. However, what he is playing for is what I don't approve of. If he is playing to win then he should've had the confidence to beat the Bulls when we have all the advantage of the world to win that series. This is why I mentioned "fearlessness." Not being able to beat a team that you are suppose to beat shows fear of being satisfied on underachieving rather than over achieving.

Yet, you also can't claim that he doesn't care about his numbers either when recent reports which he said he lacks confidence. Why would it be in an all time low? Unless he cares about his stats which was incredibly low. If he truly believes that he doesn't care to put up Utah Jazz numbers his performance this season shouldn't affect him whatsoever and just completely help the team by making his plays as effective as possible.

Notice I use events no matter how they aren't "official reports" those are hard evidence that obviously goes hand in hand. These are reoccurring things that D-Will have the tendency of. There are more events that shows who he is but i'm not bonn a mention it since this is already long especially for what time it is.

My point on how this all started is that he never played to win. He seemed to prioritize being the superstar of a team than being the best. From this recent Bulls game I felt that he showed he that he actually wants to beat them. Which shows signs of improvements for him being able to believe that he can win it all.

BTW i'm not being sensitive or mad. I **** with people when i see them demeaning what I say. That's what I do. I find it humorous. I feel like this is the clearest I can make my argument. If you still can't comprehend what I'm saying then I really don't know how else to put it.


You seem like someone trying to seem a lot smarter than he actually is. It's kind of bizarre. Everything you're saying makes no sense, is irrelevant, or is a MASSIVE reach.

Him commenting on his All-Star snub (something he was ASKED about) then playing better afterwards is evidence of him playing for stats? Are you ignoring the medical procedures he went through? And the noted weight loss during the time off that the All Star BREAK gave him?

It's just stupid to equate playing decent in the playoffs to NOT CARING ABOUT WINNING. If you played basketball at a high level (which I really doubt) - you'd understand that performing well isn't simply about caring or about passion. I'm sure you tried your best and worked really hard and still ended up playing badly - which is why you're here discussing the Nets - instead of playing professional basketball.

If you truly played basketball at a high level, why is it so hard to fathom that Deron's nagging injuries cleared up after some extra rest + some pounds shed - which allowed him to play at the level he's accustomed to playing at? And his struggles in the playoffs could be attributed to the fact our coach was destroyed by Thibs and the paint was packed with 3 defenders at all times - with all this said, his numbers were still good for the 7 games.
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#309 » by HelloBrooklyn » Thu Mar 6, 2014 2:52 pm

MGrand15 wrote:
HelloBrooklyn wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:
Don't really understand the relevance of this. This isn't what we're talking about. You said that Deron played for numbers, not for the team, post-ASB. That's a very bold statement to make and it just doesn't match up with what everyone else saw. For you to get sensitive about being called out about it, and not to have any evidence whatsoever backing it up, and to just resort to saying "you just don't understand the game like I do" or to then evolve that into "the media is brainwashing you"...that's just weird. We all watched Deron play last year, and it was pretty general consensus that he was playing for the team, not for his individual stats. I guess you're just smarter than all of us, and understand the game better than all of us, and the media has brainwashed all of us?



Or what, you'll go on another delusional, irrelevant rant? I'll call out baseless opinions, and you better back it up next time.

It's the concept is what i'm trying to point out obviously not the brainwashing.... It's about saving face, playing politics. That's the analogy what i'm trying to point out. This is what i meant about the media. Especially quoting with basketball players. What I want you to understand is to read between the lines not trust what they fully say because their words is about carrying themselves to look good. I posted that link to see if you can create an analogy to link it to what i'm trying to say. It's definitely not concrete but its the gist of it.

My point is when DWill talks about how he felt he doesn't deserve to be an all-star then see a result of him playing 10x better from before. Consequently you see him not being able to carry a team against a depleted team. Yeah obviously you can't blame everything on him since Joe played like **** that series but that was DWill time to shine. Yet, he disappeared in the prominent moments we need baskets. Loosing to a much less talented team just from sheer hard work shows something about his character. Obviously you can't point everything out on D-Will since there are other factors. However, being the leader of our team he was the guy that needed to step up. So can you tell me with a straight face that he cares about winning with that type of performance in the playoffs?

I never said anything about him not playing for the team. I only said something about his individual numbers. Because it can go hand in hand. Him being a point guard obviously will help the team no matter what but I do believe that he prioritize numbers going back to the way it was. I'm not saying playing like his former self is necessarily a bad thing. However, what he is playing for is what I don't approve of. If he is playing to win then he should've had the confidence to beat the Bulls when we have all the advantage of the world to win that series. This is why I mentioned "fearlessness." Not being able to beat a team that you are suppose to beat shows fear of being satisfied on underachieving rather than over achieving.

Yet, you also can't claim that he doesn't care about his numbers either when recent reports which he said he lacks confidence. Why would it be in an all time low? Unless he cares about his stats which was incredibly low. If he truly believes that he doesn't care to put up Utah Jazz numbers his performance this season shouldn't affect him whatsoever and just completely help the team by making his plays as effective as possible.

Notice I use events no matter how they aren't "official reports" those are hard evidence that obviously goes hand in hand. These are reoccurring things that D-Will have the tendency of. There are more events that shows who he is but i'm not bonn a mention it since this is already long especially for what time it is.

My point on how this all started is that he never played to win. He seemed to prioritize being the superstar of a team than being the best. From this recent Bulls game I felt that he showed he that he actually wants to beat them. Which shows signs of improvements for him being able to believe that he can win it all.

BTW i'm not being sensitive or mad. I **** with people when i see them demeaning what I say. That's what I do. I find it humorous. I feel like this is the clearest I can make my argument. If you still can't comprehend what I'm saying then I really don't know how else to put it.


You seem like someone trying to seem a lot smarter than he actually is. It's kind of bizarre. Everything you're saying makes no sense, is irrelevant, or is a MASSIVE reach.

Him commenting on his All-Star snub (something he was ASKED about) then playing better afterwards is evidence of him playing for stats? Are you ignoring the medical procedures he went through? And the noted weight loss during the time off that the All Star BREAK gave him?

It's just stupid to equate playing decent in the playoffs to NOT CARING ABOUT WINNING. If you played basketball at a high level (which I really doubt) - you'd understand that performing well isn't simply about caring or about passion. I'm sure you tried your best and worked really hard and still ended up playing badly - which is why you're here discussing the Nets - instead of playing professional basketball.

If you truly played basketball at a high level, why is it so hard to fathom that Deron's nagging injuries cleared up after some extra rest + some pounds shed - which allowed him to play at the level he's accustomed to playing at? And his struggles in the playoffs could be attributed to the fact our coach was destroyed by Thibs and the paint was packed with 3 defenders at all times - with all this said, his numbers were still good for the 7 games.


You are right for the most part. I just think it's been a reaccurring theme with deron all these years with the nets. I'm not just talking about the playoffs as an important game where he needs to play. It's every game and you are right about you can try your best in a game and not execute. However are you gonna make that's and excuse to him for the every time he does that? I mean come on when was the last time he took control of the game. I'm pointing out the playoffs because it was a pinnacle situation.

It's hard for me fathoms deron nagging injury because of this year. Why did he play like **** first half of the season again and starting to turn around post asb this year. What is his excuse this time?

I did play high school basketball. It wasn't a good experience for me. We won 2 games in the season my senior year. The team and the town didn't care about basketball. They cares about football. What pissed me off was coach was terrible. We had a system offense that was based off of the Princeton offense called justice( something stupid like that I forget) and it consist of a rotation of back door cuts. It didn't work well because it was too hard to execute in a high school level. What pissed me off when I take a heat checks I get taken off the game(I made the shot most of the time as well). The thing that boiled was that I was the only one who wanted to win and the team thought they suck not even going to the season. It was bs. Especially the scholarship situation my coach put me though
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#310 » by Prokorov » Thu Mar 6, 2014 3:45 pm

there is no excuse for deron not to play hard every single game. none. there was no excuse for him to come into to last season fat and have to get himself in shape with some juice cleanse. none.

i dont give a crap whether you think he is playing awful, poor, average, or good. it is 110% clear that the effort he gave last night is 10 times the effort we have seen from him on most nights.

to me, thats not a player i want and its not a player you win with. its one thing to ahve a stretch of low effort,... 3 years isnt a stretch, its who he is.

i really hope he isnt here much longer
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Post#311 » by HelloBrooklyn » Thu Mar 6, 2014 4:41 pm

Prokorov wrote:there is no excuse for deron not to play hard every single game. none. there was no excuse for him to come into to last season fat and have to get himself in shape with some juice cleanse. none.

i dont give a crap whether you think he is playing awful, poor, average, or good. it is 110% clear that the effort he gave last night is 10 times the effort we have seen from him on most nights.

to me, thats not a player i want and its not a player you win with. its one thing to ahve a stretch of low effort,... 3 years isnt a stretch, its who he is.

i really hope he isnt here much longer


Yeah, definitely, I feel like there are just way too many evidence, although not concrete, says he is that type of player who doesn't care about winning. i'm not sure if i'm just spoiled with JKidd's greatness. Since that was the type of impact I was expecting from him coming to the Nets. He reminds me a lot more of a more mannered Stephon Marbury.
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#312 » by Prokorov » Thu Mar 6, 2014 5:07 pm

HelloBrooklyn wrote:
Yeah, definitely, I feel like there are just way too many evidence, although not concrete, says he is that type of player who doesn't care about winning. i'm not sure if i'm just spoiled with JKidd's greatness. Since that was the type of impact I was expecting from him coming to the Nets. He reminds me a lot more of a more mannered Stephon Marbury.



i dont like the marbury comparison.... marbury was a super selfish guy and horrible teammate. but he was a super competitive player. dwill is not a competitive guy at all imo. they had similar impact/letdowns, but i think in different ways.

For dwill, i was jacked when we got him. i thought at the very least he would be a top 10 PG who played hard and could lead a team. he has been about as big a bust/letdown as possible. i mean, he has his worst numbers across the board since his rookie year and has been about as poor a leader as possible.

i've never disliked a player more for on court only reasons then dwill. i just cant respect a guy who is paid the max, has the talent to be good, but brings a D effort most nights
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#313 » by HelloBrooklyn » Thu Mar 6, 2014 5:31 pm

Yeah I was talking about the impact that he brings to the table. I was also hype when we acquired him. Yet, it's pretty obvious winning is not his number priority why he plays basketball. I think anyone who has a good intuition in competitive play and to understand depth of the topic of what we are talking about would understand what I've been saying in this thread.

To excuse a player because of what the media has been saying is definitely not a good enough reason not to bash him. I'm just wondering what excuse will be this time when he is actually starting to play better. Hopefully he has some type of epiphany onto why he wants to win.
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#314 » by MGrand15 » Thu Mar 6, 2014 7:04 pm

HelloBrooklyn wrote:
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HelloBrooklyn wrote:It's the concept is what i'm trying to point out obviously not the brainwashing.... It's about saving face, playing politics. That's the analogy what i'm trying to point out. This is what i meant about the media. Especially quoting with basketball players. What I want you to understand is to read between the lines not trust what they fully say because their words is about carrying themselves to look good. I posted that link to see if you can create an analogy to link it to what i'm trying to say. It's definitely not concrete but its the gist of it.

My point is when DWill talks about how he felt he doesn't deserve to be an all-star then see a result of him playing 10x better from before. Consequently you see him not being able to carry a team against a depleted team. Yeah obviously you can't blame everything on him since Joe played like **** that series but that was DWill time to shine. Yet, he disappeared in the prominent moments we need baskets. Loosing to a much less talented team just from sheer hard work shows something about his character. Obviously you can't point everything out on D-Will since there are other factors. However, being the leader of our team he was the guy that needed to step up. So can you tell me with a straight face that he cares about winning with that type of performance in the playoffs?

I never said anything about him not playing for the team. I only said something about his individual numbers. Because it can go hand in hand. Him being a point guard obviously will help the team no matter what but I do believe that he prioritize numbers going back to the way it was. I'm not saying playing like his former self is necessarily a bad thing. However, what he is playing for is what I don't approve of. If he is playing to win then he should've had the confidence to beat the Bulls when we have all the advantage of the world to win that series. This is why I mentioned "fearlessness." Not being able to beat a team that you are suppose to beat shows fear of being satisfied on underachieving rather than over achieving.

Yet, you also can't claim that he doesn't care about his numbers either when recent reports which he said he lacks confidence. Why would it be in an all time low? Unless he cares about his stats which was incredibly low. If he truly believes that he doesn't care to put up Utah Jazz numbers his performance this season shouldn't affect him whatsoever and just completely help the team by making his plays as effective as possible.

Notice I use events no matter how they aren't "official reports" those are hard evidence that obviously goes hand in hand. These are reoccurring things that D-Will have the tendency of. There are more events that shows who he is but i'm not bonn a mention it since this is already long especially for what time it is.

My point on how this all started is that he never played to win. He seemed to prioritize being the superstar of a team than being the best. From this recent Bulls game I felt that he showed he that he actually wants to beat them. Which shows signs of improvements for him being able to believe that he can win it all.

BTW i'm not being sensitive or mad. I **** with people when i see them demeaning what I say. That's what I do. I find it humorous. I feel like this is the clearest I can make my argument. If you still can't comprehend what I'm saying then I really don't know how else to put it.


You seem like someone trying to seem a lot smarter than he actually is. It's kind of bizarre. Everything you're saying makes no sense, is irrelevant, or is a MASSIVE reach.

Him commenting on his All-Star snub (something he was ASKED about) then playing better afterwards is evidence of him playing for stats? Are you ignoring the medical procedures he went through? And the noted weight loss during the time off that the All Star BREAK gave him?

It's just stupid to equate playing decent in the playoffs to NOT CARING ABOUT WINNING. If you played basketball at a high level (which I really doubt) - you'd understand that performing well isn't simply about caring or about passion. I'm sure you tried your best and worked really hard and still ended up playing badly - which is why you're here discussing the Nets - instead of playing professional basketball.

If you truly played basketball at a high level, why is it so hard to fathom that Deron's nagging injuries cleared up after some extra rest + some pounds shed - which allowed him to play at the level he's accustomed to playing at? And his struggles in the playoffs could be attributed to the fact our coach was destroyed by Thibs and the paint was packed with 3 defenders at all times - with all this said, his numbers were still good for the 7 games.


You are right for the most part. I just think it's been a reaccurring theme with deron all these years with the nets. I'm not just talking about the playoffs as an important game where he needs to play. It's every game and you are right about you can try your best in a game and not execute. However are you gonna make that's and excuse to him for the every time he does that? I mean come on when was the last time he took control of the game. I'm pointing out the playoffs because it was a pinnacle situation.

It's hard for me fathoms deron nagging injury because of this year. Why did he play like **** first half of the season again and starting to turn around post asb this year. What is his excuse this time?

I did play high school basketball. It wasn't a good experience for me. We won 2 games in the season my senior year. The team and the town didn't care about basketball. They cares about football. What pissed me off was coach was terrible. We had a system offense that was based off of the Princeton offense called justice( something stupid like that I forget) and it consist of a rotation of back door cuts. It didn't work well because it was too hard to execute in a high school level. What pissed me off when I take a heat checks I get taken off the game(I made the shot most of the time as well). The thing that boiled was that I was the only one who wanted to win and the team thought they suck not even going to the season. It was bs. Especially the scholarship situation my coach put me though


Wait. You're out here calling people out for not playing real basketball and you were some scrub on a bad basketball team that didn't understand the offense? Ignore my post plz. I was beyond right with everything I assumed.
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#315 » by HelloBrooklyn » Thu Mar 6, 2014 7:26 pm

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HelloBrooklyn wrote:
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You seem like someone trying to seem a lot smarter than he actually is. It's kind of bizarre. Everything you're saying makes no sense, is irrelevant, or is a MASSIVE reach.

Him commenting on his All-Star snub (something he was ASKED about) then playing better afterwards is evidence of him playing for stats? Are you ignoring the medical procedures he went through? And the noted weight loss during the time off that the All Star BREAK gave him?

It's just stupid to equate playing decent in the playoffs to NOT CARING ABOUT WINNING. If you played basketball at a high level (which I really doubt) - you'd understand that performing well isn't simply about caring or about passion. I'm sure you tried your best and worked really hard and still ended up playing badly - which is why you're here discussing the Nets - instead of playing professional basketball.

If you truly played basketball at a high level, why is it so hard to fathom that Deron's nagging injuries cleared up after some extra rest + some pounds shed - which allowed him to play at the level he's accustomed to playing at? And his struggles in the playoffs could be attributed to the fact our coach was destroyed by Thibs and the paint was packed with 3 defenders at all times - with all this said, his numbers were still good for the 7 games.


You are right for the most part. I just think it's been a reaccurring theme with deron all these years with the nets. I'm not just talking about the playoffs as an important game where he needs to play. It's every game and you are right about you can try your best in a game and not execute. However are you gonna make that's and excuse to him for the every time he does that? I mean come on when was the last time he took control of the game. I'm pointing out the playoffs because it was a pinnacle situation.

It's hard for me fathoms deron nagging injury because of this year. Why did he play like **** first half of the season again and starting to turn around post asb this year. What is his excuse this time?

I did play high school basketball. It wasn't a good experience for me. We won 2 games in the season my senior year. The team and the town didn't care about basketball. They cares about football. What pissed me off was coach was terrible. We had a system offense that was based off of the Princeton offense called justice( something stupid like that I forget) and it consist of a rotation of back door cuts. It didn't work well because it was too hard to execute in a high school level. What pissed me off when I take a heat checks I get taken off the game(I made the shot most of the time as well). The thing that boiled was that I was the only one who wanted to win and the team thought they suck not even going to the season. It was bs. Especially the scholarship situation my coach put me though


Wait. You're out here calling people out for not playing real basketball and you were some scrub on a bad basketball team that didn't understand the offense? Ignore my post plz. I was beyond right with everything I assumed.


LOL :lol: What? The offense didn't fit my style at all and I didn't get along with the coach since he was too stubborn on his philosophy. Even when we get into confrontations I was still performing the best in my team. Even when I wasn't being used on my full potential I was still offered full scholarships into a bunch of DIII schools. I only didn't play because I wanted to play D1. Which i figured to go to SHU which I could've easily be a walk-in LOL. Then when I got there I just realize walk-in are pretty much just GPA builder and you won't get a minute in games. I play with SHU D1 athletes back then and I competed with them easily. I could've easily played D1 if I went to a basketball school. Even if you defend the coach from back in my high school days the next year when I graduated they move down in a worse league and they still won only 2 games. Do you think I was to blame me for that? LOLOL Let me ask you what did you ever accomplish being that you have the basketball brilliance?
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Re: PG: Good Win! 

Post#316 » by HelloBrooklyn » Thu Mar 6, 2014 9:53 pm

Oh I see no response... Great input bro I guess your accomplishment is talking trash behind a PC eating cheetos?
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