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Re: Official Trade Dwill at all costs thread 

Post#81 » by Prokorov » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:02 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:
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CalamityX12 wrote:Trade work ....

Dwill n Terry for Amare, Shumpert n Prig.......

Shumpert would be much appreciated here with us, Prig can backup to Shaun and still be useful offensively with spot up shooting, defensively he may not be helpful though.... Amare, for the $ and **** it, he'll attack the **** rim more than Blatche has....

Both Amare n Shumpert runs two years(shump s/b resigned) n Prig is thru 3 but no real affect to the cap space IMO.

NYK gets their PG and we get away from Dwill and insert Shumpert with Shaun in the backcourt, awesome defensive potential along with needed youth and athleticism and Amare could be a wild card off the bench.

all in all we all live in new york right?
we should help each other to get better :D

i'll do this trade but dwill's contract really sucks. 4 years... if he continue like this he would new STAT for us.
i'm not sure but it could be worth to give a shot.

for nets d.will situtation doesnt go any better in soon. looking for trade is right think to do.
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dwill for j.lin+o.asik (asik can defend the rim, i dont believe b.lopez. if he'll stay healthy next season you play him 15min pf 20min C)

Yeah, its a catch 22 from my dark side lol... Dwill eats cap space and limits NYK's signing big guys while producing backup like productivity.

Maybe with dwill helps resign Melo but i think he's staying on regardless...

NYK needs a PG, NETs need youth/athleticism with defensive nature at the backcourt(shaun n Shump could be awesome). Boom.


the problem is the knicks getting backup level play at PG would be an enormous upgrade to what they have now, especially when with the knicks dwill isnt needed to create offense, just be an elite spot up 3 point shooter which he can be. he is no worse then fat felton defensively and can have the rare occasional big game.

i think melo is good enough to where you give him dwill and that turns their season around. which would happen i think and would be crushing.

the knicks are the 1 team i wouldnt trade dwill too
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Re: Official Trade Dwill at all costs thread 

Post#82 » by Prokorov » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:27 pm

i just went through every team in the league and looked at their cap and player situation. there isnt a single team i can see taking on dwill... even with us giving them bogs and taking on their bad contracts. the closest i could find are:

Houston for lin + other to make salary work but they turned it down
Denver for javale and hickson but they have lawson already
Detroit for jennings and smith but they dont really save money and dwill runs longer/more expensive then jennings

everyone else either would take his contract because of their cap situation, doesnt have bad money to dump on us, or has a better PG then dwill

its sad that we can trade a guy we just signed to a 5 year max deal to ANYONE in the league while taking on their bad money. that is just as sad as it gets
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Post#83 » by Keith Van Horn » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:50 pm

Hopefully Deron used this big break to do some working out and juice cleansing like he did last year.

This guy has got to nut up. Here's to him coming out like gang busters tomorrow night :party:

I would love to see this guy make it here still, but he's been such garbage. Let's go Deron, wake the F. up. I really don't think we're going to be able to (nor does management want to) trade him.
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Post#84 » by HelloBrooklyn » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:21 am

macgyver893 wrote:Hopefully Deron used this big break to do some working out and juice cleansing like he did last year.

This guy has got to nut up. Here's to him coming out like gang busters tomorrow night :party:

I would love to see this guy make it here still, but he's been such garbage. Let's go Deron, wake the F. up. I really don't think we're going to be able to (nor does management want to) trade him.

Well... There are reports that Kidd started guarding in practice hopefully theres an impact towards that.
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Post#85 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:27 am

HelloBrooklyn wrote:
macgyver893 wrote:Hopefully Deron used this big break to do some working out and juice cleansing like he did last year.

This guy has got to nut up. Here's to him coming out like gang busters tomorrow night :party:

I would love to see this guy make it here still, but he's been such garbage. Let's go Deron, wake the F. up. I really don't think we're going to be able to (nor does management want to) trade him.

Well... There are reports that Kidd started guarding in practice hopefully theres an impact towards that.


when your 40 year old coach 1 year removed from the league is taking your lunch in practice thats probably not a good thing.

too bad we cant have kidd play instead of dwill
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Post#86 » by HelloBrooklyn » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:44 am

Prokorov wrote:
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macgyver893 wrote:Hopefully Deron used this big break to do some working out and juice cleansing like he did last year.

This guy has got to nut up. Here's to him coming out like gang busters tomorrow night :party:

I would love to see this guy make it here still, but he's been such garbage. Let's go Deron, wake the F. up. I really don't think we're going to be able to (nor does management want to) trade him.

Well... There are reports that Kidd started guarding in practice hopefully theres an impact towards that.


when your 40 year old coach 1 year removed from the league is taking your lunch in practice thats probably not a good thing.

too bad we cant have kidd play instead of dwill


Maybe the embarrassment gives him some kind of motivation since all he care about is how he looks.
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Post#87 » by kerry kittles » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:32 am

This can obviously explain DWill's problems:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DeronWilliams/status/435530899351154688[/tweet]
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Post#88 » by kerry kittles » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:36 am

Mike Conley just took over the Knicks/Girzzles game down the stretch. He's a UFA in 2o16. Would love clean books so we can try to get him, Durant and Dwight (assuming he opts out).
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Post#89 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:48 pm

Williams vs. opposing point gaurds the last 10 games:

Dwill: 19 pts. 7 assists on 6-15 shooting
Burke: 16 pts. 10 assists on 6-12 shooting

Dwill: 13 points 5 assists 6 turnovers on 4-14 shooting
Hinrich: 9 points 7 assists 1 turnover on 4-8 shooting

Dwill: 13 points 7 assists on 4-11 shooting
Kemba: 16 points 4 assists on 6-17 shooting

Dwill: 9 points 6 assists 3 turnovers on 3-6 shooting
Roberts: 12 points 4 assists on 4-9 shooting

Dwill: 10 points 0 assists on 4-10 shooting
Jennings: 26 points 10 rebounds 9 assists on 8-13 shooting

Dwill: 16 points 8 assists on 7-14 shooting
Mills: 16 points 2 assists on 6-13 Shooting

Dwill: 21 points 6 assists on 8 of 19 shooting
MCW: 21 points 4 assists on 6-17 shooting

Dwill: 13 points 6 assists on 3-12 shooting
Hill: 10 points 4 assists on 4-8 shooting

dwill: 14 points 1 assist 5 turnovers on 5-8 shooting
Jackson: 14 points 7 assits on 6-15 shooting

dwill: 9 points 11 assists on 4-11 shooting
Lowry: 31 points 7 assists on 10-18 shooting


thats pretty bad. other then mills(parker likely would have destroyed him) is there someone he clearly outplayed? thats a pretty awful list of point gaurds he has gone up against and they basically either played him even or outplayed him and dwills play during that stretch has been putrid.
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Re: Official Trade Dwill at all costs thread 

Post#90 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:41 pm

Prokorov wrote:Williams vs. opposing point gaurds the last 10 games:

Dwill: 19 pts. 7 assists on 6-15 shooting
Burke: 16 pts. 10 assists on 6-12 shooting

Dwill: 13 points 5 assists 6 turnovers on 4-14 shooting
Hinrich: 9 points 7 assists 1 turnover on 4-8 shooting

Dwill: 13 points 7 assists on 4-11 shooting
Kemba: 16 points 4 assists on 6-17 shooting

Dwill: 9 points 6 assists 3 turnovers on 3-6 shooting
Roberts: 12 points 4 assists on 4-9 shooting

Dwill: 10 points 0 assists on 4-10 shooting
Jennings: 26 points 10 rebounds 9 assists on 8-13 shooting

Dwill: 16 points 8 assists on 7-14 shooting
Mills: 16 points 2 assists on 6-13 Shooting

Dwill: 21 points 6 assists on 8 of 19 shooting
MCW: 21 points 4 assists on 6-17 shooting

Dwill: 13 points 6 assists on 3-12 shooting
Hill: 10 points 4 assists on 4-8 shooting

dwill: 14 points 1 assist 5 turnovers on 5-8 shooting
Jackson: 14 points 7 assits on 6-15 shooting

dwill: 9 points 11 assists on 4-11 shooting
Lowry: 31 points 7 assists on 10-18 shooting


thats pretty bad. other then mills(parker likely would have destroyed him) is there someone he clearly outplayed? thats a pretty awful list of point gaurds he has gone up against and they basically either played him even or outplayed him and dwills play during that stretch has been putrid.

I'm not trying to defend D-Will but it would more useful and applicable to post the stats the opposing PGs had while he was actually guarding them.

D-Will wasn't guarding each of these guys 100% of the time they were on the court against us and the same could be said about those guys guarding D-Will.

D-Will has been bad but we should always strive for the most accurate depiction available rather than settle for a generalization.
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Post#91 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:19 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:
Prokorov wrote:Williams vs. opposing point gaurds the last 10 games:

Dwill: 19 pts. 7 assists on 6-15 shooting
Burke: 16 pts. 10 assists on 6-12 shooting

Dwill: 13 points 5 assists 6 turnovers on 4-14 shooting
Hinrich: 9 points 7 assists 1 turnover on 4-8 shooting

Dwill: 13 points 7 assists on 4-11 shooting
Kemba: 16 points 4 assists on 6-17 shooting

Dwill: 9 points 6 assists 3 turnovers on 3-6 shooting
Roberts: 12 points 4 assists on 4-9 shooting

Dwill: 10 points 0 assists on 4-10 shooting
Jennings: 26 points 10 rebounds 9 assists on 8-13 shooting

Dwill: 16 points 8 assists on 7-14 shooting
Mills: 16 points 2 assists on 6-13 Shooting

Dwill: 21 points 6 assists on 8 of 19 shooting
MCW: 21 points 4 assists on 6-17 shooting

Dwill: 13 points 6 assists on 3-12 shooting
Hill: 10 points 4 assists on 4-8 shooting

dwill: 14 points 1 assist 5 turnovers on 5-8 shooting
Jackson: 14 points 7 assits on 6-15 shooting

dwill: 9 points 11 assists on 4-11 shooting
Lowry: 31 points 7 assists on 10-18 shooting


thats pretty bad. other then mills(parker likely would have destroyed him) is there someone he clearly outplayed? thats a pretty awful list of point gaurds he has gone up against and they basically either played him even or outplayed him and dwills play during that stretch has been putrid.

I'm not trying to defend D-Will but it would more useful and applicable to post the stats the opposing PGs had while he was actually guarding them.

D-Will wasn't guarding each of these guys 100% of the time they were on the court against us and the same could be said about those guys guarding D-Will.

D-Will has been bad but we should always strive for the most accurate depiction available rather than settle for a generalization.


whether he defended them or they specifically scored on him wasnt what i was getting at (also, from watching i assume if you were going direct head to head it would be significantly worse then this since his defense has been really poort).

but that wasnt my point.... my point was opposing teams are getting more from the PG position then we are when they go up against us, which is embarassing to me considering:

A) we have williams, making the max
B) those 10 guys are all average or worse players
c) there was not 1 game were dwill really dominanted

if teams arent losing the PG battle to us, and sometimes even winning the PG battle with poor point gaurds that is an enormous issue. the fact that the bar has been set so low for williams is also alarming. i mean look at the game thread... people were applauding williams for simply being aggressive. he shot 6 for 15 from the field and thats a "good" game for dwill these days

we are basically getting 13/6 from dwill with 2-3 turnovers a game for 20m per season. we need to get out from under that ASAP. especially when you could plug in baically any starting NBA point gaurd and get similar production.
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Post#92 » by lkitt0804 » Thu Mar 6, 2014 9:09 pm

So the general thinking is that we trade DWill at all costs this summer. But lets say he averages 20 and 8 for the rest of the season and the Nets make it to the ECF (upsetting either MIA or IND along the way) with him leading the team. Would you still want to trade him? What would he have to do in order for you to change your minds?
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Post#93 » by Prokorov » Thu Mar 6, 2014 9:13 pm

lkitt0804 wrote:So the general thinking is that we trade DWill at all costs this summer. But lets say he averages 20 and 8 for the rest of the season and the Nets make it to the ECF (upsetting either MIA or IND along the way) with him leading the team. Would you still want to trade him? What would he have to do in order for you to change your minds?


Yes, i'd still trade him. its mostly contract driven as opposed to performance(although the poor perfomance doesnt help either). It's pretty simple. he will be making 23M in 2016 when all the big free agents become available and we have a chance for complete cap room if we can move him.

From a performance standpoint, beating miami and averaging 20 and 8 wouldnt change anything for me. i dont think we can win with him as our best player, and he is going to be 30 and is super injury prone, not a leader, and his effort level is somewhere between poor and inconsistent.

it would take alot more then 30 games of 20/8 play and upsetting 1 team in the playoffs to change anything. and there is nothing that can be done about his contract which for me is the biggest thing
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Post#94 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Mar 7, 2014 3:51 pm

He's played better post ASB but those numbers aren't meriting how much cap space he's taking up.

At the same time, its not like we're going to get out of cap hell until Johnson's deal is over anyway so unless someone is dumb enough to give us some assets/reflief for Williams we're better off keeping him.
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Post#95 » by lkitt0804 » Fri Mar 7, 2014 5:06 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:He's played better post ASB but those numbers aren't meriting how much cap space he's taking up.

At the same time, its not like we're going to get out of cap hell until Johnson's deal is over anyway so unless someone is dumb enough to give us some assets/reflief for Williams we're better off keeping him.


I'm hoping that he's starting to play better because he's finally getting healthy. He's always had bad body language and not really a good leader but I believe that he does care about winning unlike some of the other posts I read was saying. In my opinion I think that he's been playing passively until recently because he saw the team was doing well the five games he was out in January and didn't want to assert himself and ruin the chemistry that was established when he was out.

So say he plays a huge role to the help the team make the ECF or Finals, would everything be forgiven? Yes I know it's a big if.

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Post#96 » by Prokorov » Fri Mar 7, 2014 5:38 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:He's played better post ASB but those numbers aren't meriting how much cap space he's taking up.

At the same time, its not like we're going to get out of cap hell until Johnson's deal is over anyway so unless someone is dumb enough to give us some assets/reflief for Williams we're better off keeping him.


if KG retire, we let pierce walk and we trade dwill we would be out of cap hell
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Post#97 » by Prokorov » Fri Mar 7, 2014 5:38 pm

lkitt0804 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:He's played better post ASB but those numbers aren't meriting how much cap space he's taking up.

At the same time, its not like we're going to get out of cap hell until Johnson's deal is over anyway so unless someone is dumb enough to give us some assets/reflief for Williams we're better off keeping him.


I'm hoping that he's starting to play better because he's finally getting healthy. He's always had bad body language and not really a good leader but I believe that he does care about winning unlike some of the other posts I read was saying. In my opinion I think that he's been playing passively until recently because he saw the team was doing well the five games he was out in January and didn't want to assert himself and ruin the chemistry that was established when he was out.

So say he plays a huge role to the help the team make the ECF or Finals, would everything be forgiven? Yes I know it's a big if.


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no. to be honest, evenif by some miracle we got to the finals i wouldnt want him back. he has completely burned his bridge with me

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