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Post#61 » by Prokorov » Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:56 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:Only reason that Pierce might play imo is because of the nature of the injury...is it something that can actually get worse by playing through? Seems like something that's just a freak occurrence based on how his shoulder is hit, and that there's really no fix to it. Not sure how rest would help it. But most likely he'll be out.


Are you guys reading what I have been posting?

If this injury is what I have been saying - a flare of the compressed cervical nerve in his R neck which **** him up in 1/2013 - it could seriously limit Paul's shooting ability & overall effectiveness. Given his outstanding numbers since his fractured shooting hand healed & his critical role in the Nets 21-9 record in CY 2014, THIS TOTALLY & COMPLETELY SUCKS!

I am an endocrinologist - not a neurosurgeon - but he may need surgery this off season to definitively deal with this. Think Peyton Manning.


it sucks he is out, but it doesnt change a ton. we may benefit from going bigger starting as far as the playoffs go as well. i mean, we werent likely getting out of the first round anyway
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Post#62 » by Prokorov » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:10 pm

Thoughts on the game...

- Was glad to see us come out with some energy again early on. i'd attribute it to maybe the home crowd. but thats a bad excuse for a veteran team that needs wins. either way hope it keeps up tonite

- Thornton is everything terry was supposed to be. streaky instant offense off the bench capable of getting red hot. he has also suprised me with his hustle and deflections

- good to see johnson play well. i dont understand why he is so inconsistent on short shots. he made them last night, and he gets those 10-14 foot shots all the time. im suprised he doesnt hit them as often since he has such a soft touch

- Deron williams outplayed thomas. and thomas was a non factor. we needed that to happen to win, so props to dwill.

not too concerned about the pierce injury. the AK injury on the other hand does. we need him to be healthy. i think we can plug in ak for pierce and be ok but if mirza has to play thats big trouble
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Post#63 » by WhateverBro » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:51 pm

KG will need to clean up some of our rebounding issues when he comes back because it's disgusting at the moment. Good win though.
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Post#64 » by Prokorov » Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:28 pm

WhateverBro wrote:KG will need to clean up some of our rebounding issues when he comes back because it's disgusting at the moment. Good win though.


i don't see how he can... Garnett already leads the NBA Defensive rebounding precentage (technically cousins does because garnett doesnt qualify games/minutes wise) but at 31.8% he is the best in the NBA. I cant see garnett rebounding any better defensively then his already elite level.

it really is that we play small with out starters and have stretch guys at PF with our second unit. we need to change that or (more likely) just live with the rebounding issues
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Re: PG: Home Dominance 

Post#65 » by exculpatory » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:32 pm

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exculpatory wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:Only reason that Pierce might play imo is because of the nature of the injury...is it something that can actually get worse by playing through? Seems like something that's just a freak occurrence based on how his shoulder is hit, and that there's really no fix to it. Not sure how rest would help it. But most likely he'll be out.


Are you guys reading what I have been posting?

If this injury is what I have been saying - a flare of the compressed cervical nerve in his R neck which **** him up in 1/2013 - it could seriously limit Paul's shooting ability & overall effectiveness. Given his outstanding numbers since his fractured shooting hand healed & his critical role in the Nets 21-9 record in CY 2014, THIS TOTALLY & COMPLETELY SUCKS!

I am an endocrinologist - not a neurosurgeon - but he may need surgery this off season to definitively deal with this. Think Peyton Manning.


It sucks he is out, but it doesnt change a ton. We may benefit from going bigger starting as far as the playoffs go as well. i mean, we werent likely getting out of the first round anyway.


Disagree on 2 counts:

1. There is no way in hell AK (as versatile, smart & disruptive as he is) comes anywhere close to reproducing Paul's super-efficient 14 ppg - & clutchness & jacking up >20-25 ppg every 4 games or so. AND his leadership, energy & passion since 1/1/2014. This team desperately needs Paul AND ALSO the multiple varied things that AK brings.

2. With everyone clicking, the Nets have a very good chance of getting to Round 2.

That is NOT to say the team does not need a skilled, LONG rebounding PF badly.
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Re: PG: Home Dominance 

Post#66 » by WhateverBro » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:12 pm

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WhateverBro wrote:KG will need to clean up some of our rebounding issues when he comes back because it's disgusting at the moment. Good win though.


i don't see how he can... Garnett already leads the NBA Defensive rebounding precentage (technically cousins does because garnett doesnt qualify games/minutes wise) but at 31.8% he is the best in the NBA. I cant see garnett rebounding any better defensively then his already elite level.

it really is that we play small with out starters and have stretch guys at PF with our second unit. we need to change that or (more likely) just live with the rebounding issues


Of course he will. We aren't getting pounded on the glass the way we are right now when KG is on the floor. Since KG been out with back spasms, we've been grabbing between 30-40 % of available rebounds. With KG on the floor we grab 47.5 % of all possible rebounds. Huge difference.
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Post#67 » by Prokorov » Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:16 pm

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Of course he will. We aren't getting pounded on the glass the way we are right now when KG is on the floor. Since KG been out with back spasms, we've been grabbing between 30-40 % of available rebounds. With KG on the floor we grab 47.5 % of all possible rebounds. Huge difference.


this is simply false. weve been getting outrebounded for months, and have several games where we were nearly doubled up in rebound WITH KG playing in those games. this isnt something new
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Post#68 » by WhateverBro » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:21 pm

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Of course he will. We aren't getting pounded on the glass the way we are right now when KG is on the floor. Since KG been out with back spasms, we've been grabbing between 30-40 % of available rebounds. With KG on the floor we grab 47.5 % of all possible rebounds. Huge difference.


this is simply false. weve been getting outrebounded for months, and have several games where we were nearly doubled up in rebound WITH KG playing in those games. this isnt something new


It's not false, its facts. We grab 47.5 % of the available rebounds with KG on the floor, and 46 ~something with him off the floor over the course of the season. These are OK numbers considering we've been small every since Lopez went down. But ever since hes been out with back spasm, we've been getting killed on the glass. Looking at those games, we've been at around 30-40 % of total rebounds, which is HORRIBLE. 47-46 % was an OK number for a team with only one elite rebounder (KG). Where we are now is absolutely dreadful and KG will surely help.
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Re: PG: Home Dominance 

Post#69 » by Prokorov » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:31 pm

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Of course he will. We aren't getting pounded on the glass the way we are right now when KG is on the floor. Since KG been out with back spasms, we've been grabbing between 30-40 % of available rebounds. With KG on the floor we grab 47.5 % of all possible rebounds. Huge difference.


this is simply false. weve been getting outrebounded for months, and have several games where we were nearly doubled up in rebound WITH KG playing in those games. this isnt something new


It's not false, its facts. We grab 47.5 % of the available rebounds with KG on the floor, and 46 ~something with him off the floor over the course of the season. These are OK numbers considering we've been small every since Lopez went down. But ever since hes been out with back spasm, we've been getting killed on the glass. Looking at those games, we've been at around 30-40 % of total rebounds, which is HORRIBLE. 47-46 % was an OK number for a team with only one elite rebounder (KG). Where we are now is absolutely dreadful and KG will surely help.


its a small sample size with KG out. and obviously we are going to be better with KG on the floor. the point was we still have big rebounding issues when KG plays (becasue we go small and he only plays 20-25 minutes) and have had tons of games where he played and we got demolished on the glass. i mean just recently

portland outrebounded us 53-29 w/ 13 offensive rebounds
GS outrebounded us 51-38 (no lee or bogut) w/ 12 offensive rebounds

the problem is we play small and have no true/traditional PF on this roster. KG back wont prevent us from getting crushed by good rebounding teams.
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Re: PG: Home Dominance 

Post#70 » by NetsWorld » Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:05 pm

At this point, it's less about rebounds and more about wins. Being outrebounded on the defensive side is ok but as long as you can compensate by playing tough perimeter defense and force turnovers, you can win. The Nets have been winning, so being outrebounded at this point is irrelevant. I don't think anyone anticipated the Nets would be close to last in rebounding at the start of the season but unforeseen circumstances caused it to happen and also, ironically, the team found its identity playing long/small ball and thus far, it has been a success.
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