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Re: Shaun Livingston 

Post#21 » by MGrand15 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:28 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:Nah, in today's NBA, with how good defenses have become, you pretty much need at least four 3pt shooters, or at minimum, three 3pt shooters and preferably at least one guy who's money from midrange. Floor spacing is not overrated LMAO, it's actually underrated based on what I just read...it is THE most important aspect of good offensive basketball. It can't be understated how necessary it is. And you can't ever have enough floor spacing.

Look at some of the top offenses this year and their starting lineups:

1. Clippers - CP3, Collison, Barnes, Griffin, and Jordan (three 3pt shooters, and a PF who's money from midrange)

2. Blazers - Lillard, Matthews, Batum, LMA, Lopez (three 3pt shooters, and a PF who's money from midrange)

3. Heat - Chalmers, Wade, LeBron, Battier, Bosh (four 3pt shooters)

4. Mavericks - Calderon, Ellis, Marion, Dirk, Dalembert (four 3pt shooters)

5. Thunder - Westbrook, Sef, Durant, Ibaka, Perkins (three 3pt shooters, and a PF who's money from midrange)



And we dont have three 3 point shooters and a C who is money from mid range? not to mention livingston himself is pretty damn good from 10-16 feet. floor spacing is important, its overblown though with the thinking that if you have a guy on the floor who isnt a outside shooting threat that it kills your spacing. and floor spacing doesnt mean much without floor balance. floor balance is jsut as if not more important. teams with 0 threat of beating you for a dunk or layup or easier to defend.


Everyone here loves Livingston, dude. No one is saying he's a bad player or that he doesn't fit on our team.

It's about whether he fits on OTHER teams because he's going to be a FA. Most teams get their "floor balance" by having shooters at the guards/wings and rim guys at the PF/C positions. It's pretty simple. Livingston does not fit into that mold. Nor is he a guy that can dominate the ball on offense like Wade or Rondo to make up for the fact that he can't shoot. It will definitely be an issue that teams consider before giving him a big money deal.

No one is saying you need to play 5 3pt shooters. No one is saying Livingston is useless. But floor spacing is very important because good defensive teams flood the strong side with defenders. If you don't have spacing, you end up with 3-4 defenders in the paint on EVERY possession. There's no balancing the floor or getting to the rim cleanly with 3-4 defenders in the paint.
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Re: Shaun Livingston 

Post#22 » by Prokorov » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:32 pm

MGrand15 wrote:
Everyone here loves Livingston, dude. No one is saying he's a bad player or that he doesn't fit on our team.

It's about whether he fits on OTHER teams because he's going to be a FA. Most teams get their "floor balance" by having shooters at the guards/wings and rim guys at the PF/C positions. It's pretty simple. Livingston does not fit into that mold. Nor is he a guy that can dominate the ball on offense like Wade or Rondo to make up for the fact that he can't shoot. It will definitely be an issue that teams consider before giving him a big money deal.

No one is saying you need to play 5 3pt shooters. No one is saying Livingston is useless. But floor spacing is very important because good defensive teams flood the strong side with defenders. If you don't have spacing, you end up with 3-4 defenders in the paint on EVERY possession. There's no balancing the floor or getting to the rim cleanly with 3-4 defenders in the paint.


there are at least a dozen teams or more that would love to have livingston as their backup PG. how many teams have a backup PG that is a sniper from 3? you point gaurd doesnt need ot be a great shooter to have great spacing. especially your backup PG.

no, i dont see many teams lining up to sign him to be their starter, but the going rate for front line backup PG's is still one that has garnered a decent contract. Let alone a guy who can defend 3 positions and run and offense and with such a high bbiq

he will be one of the most sought after backups in the offseason. if we dont use the mmle on him, he is gone
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Re: Shaun Livingston 

Post#23 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:59 pm

It would be a critical loss if we lose this guy. Not sure what King can do here.
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Re: Shaun Livingston 

Post#24 » by Basileus777 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:24 am

Livingston has increased value because he can play and guard multiple positions. It makes compensating for his inability to shoot much easier. Having a long guy who can guard three positions at a high level is an asset. He's going to draw interest this off-season.

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