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What do we do when KG comes back? 

Post#1 » by Prokorov » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:23 pm

We have been playing lights out since KG went down and plumlee has been excellent for the most part during that stretch. It creates a decision for when KG comes back.

Does plumlee get bumped from the rotation? Does plumlee become the backup and Blatche removed from the rotation? does blatche move to backup PF and mirza get bumped from the rotation?

Any chance we keep starting plumlee and go with a second unit of thornon/anderson/AK/Blatche/KG?
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Post#2 » by BK nets BK » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:04 pm

Kg will not come off the bench and let a rookie start. Not going to happen. Kg will start and blatche and plums will split back up minutes depending on what version of blatche shows up

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Post#3 » by Keith Van Horn » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:22 pm

I think Plumlee will go back to splitting minutes with Blatche, and possibly receive a few more DNPs,

KG will start, Blatche is offensive firepower off the bench, and Plumlee is insurance for when Blatche is "bad Blatche".

This really gets you thinking about moving Brook Lopez in the offseason. If we can get some picks and expiring contracts for 2015 for Brook, that would probably be the best bet.
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Post#4 » by Paradise » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:52 pm

Plumlee and Dray will split minutes based off consistent effort and productivity.

Remember, KG is still going to be on a minutes restriction.

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Post#5 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:55 pm

macgyver893 wrote:I think Plumlee will go back to splitting minutes with Blatche, and possibly receive a few more DNPs,

KG will start, Blatche is offensive firepower off the bench, and Plumlee is insurance for when Blatche is "bad Blatche".

This really gets you thinking about moving Brook Lopez in the offseason. If we can get some picks and expiring contracts for 2015 for Brook, that would probably be the best bet.

I caution people to be wary of late draft picks who are playing well for small sample sizes with no pressure on them in the perfect system to exploit their strengths and mask their weaknesses, see Brooks, Marshon.

I'm not saying Plumlee can't remain a good player or that he can't or won't improve, or that he's guaranteed to regress back to what many expected, I'm just saying relax a little, wait and see approach and what not.
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Post#6 » by Prokorov » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:55 pm

thats not alot of minutes to split and would hate to see plumlee go back to DNPs and garbage minutes. i think the better solution is blatche at backup PF and mirza getting bumped from the rotation. we have plenty of shooting, we can use plumlees hustle, finishing, and size.
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Post#7 » by DarkXaero » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:02 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
macgyver893 wrote:I think Plumlee will go back to splitting minutes with Blatche, and possibly receive a few more DNPs,

KG will start, Blatche is offensive firepower off the bench, and Plumlee is insurance for when Blatche is "bad Blatche".

This really gets you thinking about moving Brook Lopez in the offseason. If we can get some picks and expiring contracts for 2015 for Brook, that would probably be the best bet.

I caution people to be wary of late draft picks who are playing well for small sample sizes with no pressure on them in the perfect system to exploit their strengths and mask their weaknesses, see Brooks, Marshon.

I'm not saying Plumlee can't remain a good player or that he can't or won't improve, or that he's guaranteed to regress back to what many expected, I'm just saying relax a little, wait and see approach and what not.
I don't think there's anything unsustainable about what Plumlee is doing right now though. He has improved because he has gotten more comfortable in the system, he has gained confidence and he's frequently taking advice from the veterans on the team. He has a good head on him, and he has been able to absorb a lot in his rookie year. I'll admit that I didn't think that Plumlee would turn out to be a good pick but he has proven me wrong, he has pretty damn good. It's reasonable to say that he won't improve much beyond what he's showing us right now but I think it's safe to say that he'll turn out to be a solid rotation player.

Marshon's good stretch was really short and completely unsustainable. He was posting very efficient numbers and a PER near 25 to start off his rookie year.
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Post#8 » by therealbig3 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:23 pm

I don't understand why people get so enamored with hot stretches during small sample sizes. Yes, we've been playing well without KG...but we were playing even better with KG, for longer. What do we do when he comes back? Plug him back in as a starter and play him 21-25 mpg. Except now that we know Plumlee can contribute, he can be Blatche's replacement when Blatche is stinking up the joint...or he could be our PF when we need a bigger lineup out there and Mirza is ice-cold.
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Post#9 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:26 pm

Put him back in the starting line up, but still give Plum plenty of minutes. This isn't rocket science imo.
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Re: What do we do when KG comes back? 

Post#10 » by WhateverBro » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:46 pm

therealbig3 wrote:I don't understand why people get so enamored with hot stretches during small sample sizes. Yes, we've been playing well without KG...but we were playing even better with KG, for longer. What do we do when he comes back? Plug him back in as a starter and play him 21-25 mpg. Except now that we know Plumlee can contribute, he can be Blatche's replacement when Blatche is stinking up the joint...or he could be our PF when we need a bigger lineup out there and Mirza is ice-cold.


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Post#11 » by jerseyjac » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:42 pm

therealbig3 wrote:I don't understand why people get so enamored with hot stretches during small sample sizes. Yes, we've been playing well without KG...but we were playing even better with KG, for longer. What do we do when he comes back? Plug him back in as a starter and play him 21-25 mpg. Except now that we know Plumlee can contribute, he can be Blatche's replacement when Blatche is stinking up the joint...or he could be our PF when we need a bigger lineup out there and Mirza is ice-cold.


MrDollarBills wrote:Put him back in the starting line up, but still give Plum plenty of minutes. This isn't rocket science imo.


Injuries can be a blessing in disguise as this gives players, younger guys like Plum, the chance to find their niche and build confidence at the right time of the season...KG goes back to starting lineup and you split the time between Plum and Blatche, if able to you push Dray to the PF and let Plum fill the center...

big3 MDB said it, this isn't rocket science, we just keep getting deeper and deeper and the confidence players should have when their number is called should be high...We find ourselves w/ a good problem to have as Kidd continues to spread the minutes around...
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Post#12 » by 624 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:24 pm

It is nice having an athletic guy who can catch and finish around the basket with four great playmakers...but KG's defensive ability makes him a better fit still.
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Post#13 » by JMaine518 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:41 pm

I agree with everyone who says go back to KG and have Blatche and Plum spilt those mins. All this does is ensure Kidd that he can't lean on Plumlee for some action
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Post#14 » by Prokorov » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:59 pm

therealbig3 wrote:I don't understand why people get so enamored with hot stretches during small sample sizes. Yes, we've been playing well without KG...but we were playing even better with KG, for longer. What do we do when he comes back? Plug him back in as a starter and play him 21-25 mpg. Except now that we know Plumlee can contribute, he can be Blatche's replacement when Blatche is stinking up the joint...or he could be our PF when we need a bigger lineup out there and Mirza is ice-cold.


I dont know, i dont think this is such a super small sample. i mean, its been 21 games since he started playing 20 minutes a night. and we are 16-5 in those games. we are 9-2 in our last 11 games with him as a starter. We are averaging 103 ppg on the year when he starts.

I know KG has been great defensively. But we have been really good defensively the last 2 months when KG hasnt played as well. Offensively Plumlee brings something to our offense no one else does. EASY BASKETS. both in the half court and in transition. We become VERY easy to gaurd if our jumpers arent falling. and we kind of let teams off the hook when they overhelp on williams drives or livingston drives when the end result is an 18 foot KG jumper. even if he is hitting those teams can live with it. teams cant live with easy dunks when those same drives result in an easy 2 on a plumlee dunk.

I'm not saying bench KG, i know that isnt the awnser. but having plumlee be the backup center, play the majority of his 18-22 minutes with dwill on the court with him, and maybe even play next to KG at times i think would really benefit us.

I've been a big blatche supporter, but i think Mason cutting into his minutes, and blatche being moved to backup PF seems like a better alternative.

I mean, i just dont see how we arent a better team with Mirza out of the rotation as opposed to plumlee. Mirza is either red hot or a complete liability on both ends (since his D and effort suffer when he isnt hitting shots). what plumlee brings is pretty consistent.
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Post#15 » by Prokorov » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:07 pm

jerseyjac wrote:
big3 MDB said it, this isn't rocket science, we just keep getting deeper and deeper and the confidence players should have when their number is called should be high...We find ourselves w/ a good problem to have as Kidd continues to spread the minutes around...


This ignores who get bumped from the rotation though. its easy to just say "duh play everyone" but there arent the minutes for that. You can give blatche and plumlee 12 minutes each but then again you are either relegating one of them to garbage time, or giving them both two 6 minute shifts and really making it tough for either to get a rhythm.

I also think if you are playing blatche 10-12 minutes he is going to be more prone to YOLO-chuck. and mirza already struggles with consistenty even with the bulk of minutes he currently gets. split those and it would be tough to see him consistently help.

The way I see it, realistically either Mirza or Plumlee is out of the rotation, especially playoff time when guys minutes get extended a bit. so the question is, if you had to choose, who are you bumping from the rotation?
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Post#16 » by Prokorov » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:10 pm

JMAINE_PH wrote:I agree with everyone who says go back to KG and have Blatche and Plum spilt those mins. All this does is ensure Kidd that he can't lean on Plumlee for some action



Does blatche turn into a worse player and chucker if his minutes are cut into? i think thats a concern. i also think if you dont play plumlee next to Deron it really hurts both guys a bit. I think part of Deron playing well is that he is playing in a small ball lineup with a bigman who can run the floor and is always around the rim to finish if defenders help on dwill drives.

i just dont see why you cut out blatche or plumlee instead of just benching mirza.

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