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The Nets Should Reconstruct The Roster To Suit Kidd's Style

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Re: The Nets Should Reconstruct The Roster To Suit Kidd's St 

Post#41 » by NyCeEvO » Sat May 17, 2014 3:13 am

jeff1624 wrote:Kidd in his prime was never a run n gun player. He was never the catalyst for a 7 seconds or left offense, so this notion hat he's all of a sudden a fan of playing that fast doesn't make sense in my opinion.

Run-and-gun is a little hyperbolic. Even so run & gun does not equal SSOL.

What Kidd said all offseason is that he wanted a team that would push the ball on missed shots, which is something that Kidd did all the time when he was playing.

He emphasized that we needed to get easy baskets by pushing the ball up court and scoring in transition.

Here's a vid (crappy quality but is a perfect example of what he's talking about):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eKfwaZLtYs[/youtube]\

Even though players are trailing, you ideally want as many players upcourt as possible to put more pressure on the opposing defense.

Here's a example of Tyson Chandler running the floor. This is what he wants:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77wuUx-LPuU[/youtube]


While Lopez isn't the ideal center to play for kidd (Jordan, Mcgee, Hickson, etc are mike adaptable) he can make it work as long as he works on passing out of the post/double teams. He also needs to focus a little bit less on Offense and more on rebounding and defense.

But that's the thing...Lopez has been double-teamed throughout his career and very rarely does he pass out of double-teams. He doesn't have enough offensive awareness (yet) to do that.

Not to make fun of him, but he has a hard enough making his post moves without traveling or getting flustered. He really struggled against the Heat because if/when he caught the ball in the paint and they masked their defense, they would swarm Brook as soon as he put the ball down and he's so slow to react that by the time, he recognizes the double it would be too late.
And because of this, Brook started staying out of the paint and just shooting long jumpers. While he can make those shots, it's not beneficial for your team when your big man basically becomes a standstill perimeter scorer. It stagnates the offense and he becomes/remains a blackhole.

Brook is just saying anything but for him to actually change his game to fit Kidd's style, he'd have to become a player that he's physically and mentally incapable of becoming.
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Re: The Nets Should Reconstruct The Roster To Suit Kidd's St 

Post#42 » by BK nets BK » Sat May 17, 2014 6:15 am

Here's a question for you guys. If an NBA team calls billy king and makes an offer . A and B player for d-will or same A and B player for Lopez. Which one would you want king to do?

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Re: The Nets Should Reconstruct The Roster To Suit Kidd's St 

Post#43 » by Paradise » Sat May 17, 2014 7:21 am

This is the type of uptempo offense Kidd originally envisioned. Having a big that basically can get his own fastbreak started.


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7YM7AaAtTg[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHV0bbLmISc[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFKBNb3kDpk[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2WwVpPGsQk[/youtube]

Here is how Lopez runs the floor. He's always the trailer and rarely, you will see a team get beaten this bad in transition which is the difference between Lopez vs Plumlee or any athletic big man.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzQ_gR8n60k[/youtube]

He is too slow to run his own fastbreak and usually his best form of offense comes in the halfcourt when a team has their defense set even when he goes to his move quickly, it's still not exactly uptempo. Sure, he can still run pick and roll but it isn't as efficient or effective as basically having a one-man fastbreak.
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Re: The Nets Should Reconstruct The Roster To Suit Kidd's St 

Post#44 » by NyCeEvO » Sat May 17, 2014 10:20 am

BK nets BK wrote:Here's a question for you guys. If an NBA team calls billy king and makes an offer . A and B player for d-will or same A and B player for Lopez. Which one would you want king to do?

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Depends who A and B are.
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Re: The Nets Should Reconstruct The Roster To Suit Kidd's St 

Post#45 » by Prokorov » Sat May 17, 2014 1:38 pm

MGrand15 wrote:
We went from 30th to 29th. Not significantly higher. Come on.

I can kind of understand the argument against Brook but please stop bringing up the tempo of the offense. We were 29th in pace. We were 30th in pace when he played because we were playing some ridiculous lineups like Teletovic at SF, KG at PF, and Lopez at C. And our starting lineup may have been the slowest 2-4 in the league with Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, KG or Blatche. Also with the 6-7 at PG some of that time.

If you think Kidd PREFERS an up-tempo team or you prefer an uptempo team, that's fine. But using Plumlee (late draft pick) and Teague (worst player in the league, traded for to empty a roster spot) as the main arguments for that, is a little silly.


its not about pace, its about getting out in transition. one of the biggest reasons for our turnaround is that we got more easy buckets in transition. and plumlee was a big part of that. we were 28th in fast break points in 2013 and 16th in 2014. thats a big differnece.

we also created a ton more turnovers... alot of which had to do with mobile active bigmen who could trap the pick and roll and get their hands in passing lanes. Plumlee had 50 steals, and averaged over 1 a game as a starter.
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Re: The Nets Should Reconstruct The Roster To Suit Kidd's St 

Post#46 » by Prokorov » Sat May 17, 2014 1:42 pm

BK nets BK wrote:Here's a question for you guys. If an NBA team calls billy king and makes an offer . A and B player for d-will or same A and B player for Lopez. Which one would you want king to do?

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I'd move williams, because his contract would come off the books in 2016, which is whats most important

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