Game Thread: Nets @ Pistons - 11/1/14 7:30pm

[3pt_chucker]

Missed the game last night. Hope to catch a replay today. Glad we picked up the win.

[F3LON]

Joe Johnson is becoming an all time Net.

We got him for basically nothing. I always found it amusing when people would complain about Atlanta being able to swap picks with us if they finished with a better record. All we gave up of value were maybes.

JJ is well on his way to his 2nd All Star game as a Net. He came into camp in great shape and it finally seems like the team knows who butters the bread. This is his team and it couldnt be any more clear then last night when he put the team on his broad shoulders. We were unraveling at the seams right after that bogus 3pt foul they called on Anderson. JJ then went on to do what special players do. Everyone and their mother knew who was getting the ball yet the Pistons were helpless to stop him. I was watching the game with a friend of mine who is a Knicks fan and likes to talk trash on the Nets and even he was heaping praise on Johnson.

The best part about JJ is that he already plays an old mans game. He can probably play another 4-5 years at a high level with his style of play. I hope he stays a Net until he retires.

[Trader_Joe]

Something else very encouraging from last night was not just winning the rebounding battle but the easy we were getting rebounds. KG and Mirza were both very good on the glass. Mirza was boxing out, skying for some and got some key ones in traffic.

Also, we made a point to not allow layups and fouled them instead. Pistons got to the line 35 times or something which I can live with as long as we aren't allowing layups or and 1s. We also have the big man depth to give up those fouls, especially when Lopez is back.

But in the down side...
The Pistons are a horrible team. They had our number last year but they seem worse than last year as SVG learns his team.

AK has been a complete non factor and I'm worried Hollins is going to freeze him out like Kidd did. I know he took a discount to be here but I'm wondering if he has any value around the league and if we would move him.

Plumlee is showing he simply cannot be trusted in certain match ups. Anyone bigger than him tends to bully him and he hasn't been able to run the break or alley oops, instead settling for shots he never would have taken last year.

The SG position. Someone needs to step up here. If JJ ever misses games (knock on wood he doesn't) our perimeter rotation is repugnant. Bogdanovic was our best bet, but I don't see him finding his shot anytime soon. AA is an inconsistent player and sometimes tries to hard but he's a good defender. I think Jack will get minutes there but maybe Karasev deserves a chance.

[MGrand15]

I think it's kind of ridiculous how people keep expecting big things out of Deron, and are still trying to twist his 37% shooting and his complete lack of aggression as a good thing.

Hope for him to be better, but stop expecting it, and stop telling everyone that are down on him that they're wrong, when Deron hasn't done a thing to prove otherwise. It's time for us to stop being happy with him "trying" to be a star, and actually start holding him accountable to star-like standards. As in, IDC how he tried to play, shooting 7-19 while being guarded by an undersized Brandon Jennings and a Pistons team that was one of the worst defensive squads in the league last year is a BAD game. Again, it's still not a good thing that his entire offensive game consists of jump shots, either his own or him assisting on jump shots. Deron Williams from a few years ago generated A TON of offense in the paint. We barely see him do that anymore, and often times, he just looks slow as hell. If it wasn't for Joe Johnson being ridiculously hot with his jumper tonight, we lose this game...and everyone probably blames Jerome Jordan or something.

Be honest. Did you watch the game?

Joe Johnson was 9/15 within 15 feet. That has nothing to do with a "ridiculously hot" jumper. It's also a lame argument. If Deron wasn't ridiculously cold from 3, maybe we don't need Joe Johnson. If Josh Smith didn't make those mid-range shots, we blow them out. Ifs are useless. Guys don't play at their statistical average on a day to day basis. It's why you play the game.

Anyway, no one is arguing that Deron was efficient. He got into the paint plenty though and 4 of his 6 assists led to layups. He took 7 mid-range shots, 7 shots within 15 feet and 5 threes. Was he efficient? Absolutely not. Did he play a good game? Yes. It's possible to play well and not be efficient. All his 3s were good shots. He didn't turn it over. He defended well.

More importantly, he looked fast, strong and healthy. A couple of his shots inside and at the 3 point line were in and out. If he stays this healthy, I trust that Deron will make paint shots at a higher rate than 3/7. I expect him to make more than 20% of his open 3s. I'm not saying he's going to turn into a superstar overnight or even a top 5 PG but this was an encouraging game. Detroit is a bad defensive team but Drummond isn't the easiest guy to score over inside.

[jbeachboy]

Bogs needs to go to bench,, he looks awful, kirilenko game is lost and struggling,

[Prokorov]

Just watched last nights game.... my main thought is this... really glad to see us bounce back with a win after getting embarassed, that almost never happened the last 2 years.

1) better effort, but we still have a LONG way to go. Still not seeing this toughness/defense/effort that hollins has preached. Another game where we gave up tons and tons of points in the paint mostly due to gaurds being able to get in the lane whenever they want. A better offensive team may have beaten us last night.

2) offensively it looked alot better... i LOVED the sets where we had both bigs on each elbow and ran cuts and picks off of that. we got alot of easy looks off of it.

3) KG looked good offensively... he got alot more paint touches and shot attempts. we need more of that and less jumpers. not that he shouldnt shoot those, he should, but he should try and be aggresive in the post like he was last night. Defensively KG looked really bad. he cant play PF defensively. it takes away everything he does well on D

4) Joe Johnson was a complete beast. we need to start the offense thorugh him in the post more often. it just gets the defense scrambling and doubling and he has shown he can make good decisions out of it. He basically won the game for us. pistons went up by 1 and joe basically destroyed them after on that 17-2 run. we were dying for offense at the time. Joe is our best player. and we play our best when we get him going. he is unselfish, so glad hollins is finding ways to get him the ball

5) Plumlee looked ok at times, but he really needs to be more aggresive defensively. alot of his fouls he gets because he is trying not to foul, and defenders get right into his chest. he needs to just go up hard for blocks and get good position. all his fouls are tick tak cheapos.

6) Dwill still looks pretty blah... way too willing to settle for jumpers. outside of a couple possesions he isnt getting in the paint at all. reading this thread, youd of thought he had a triple double. the bar for him is really low if he is getting props for a bad shooting night with averagish defense and scoring almost exclusively on mid range jumpers.

7) jacks defense has been god awful. i like his grit but he really needs to step it up on that end

8) bogs is being overhated on here. he is a foreign rookie who has played 2 games. expectations for him are oddly high.

msot of all, its pretty clear we have major issues at PF. KG doesnt work there, plumlee doesnt seem to work there, mirza has his shortcomings as does AK. i think mirza or aK need to get the nod there. id prefer AK cause our defense has been really bad.

[Prokorov]

Hope for him to be better, but stop expecting it, and stop telling everyone that are down on him that they're wrong, when Deron hasn't done a thing to prove otherwise. It's time for us to stop being happy with him "trying" to be a star, and actually start holding him accountable to star-like standards. As in, IDC how he tried to play, shooting 7-19 while being guarded by an undersized Brandon Jennings and a Pistons team that was one of the worst defensive squads in the league last year is a BAD game. Again, it's still not a good thing that his entire offensive game consists of jump shots, either his own or him assisting on jump shots. Deron Williams from a few years ago generated A TON of offense in the paint. We barely see him do that anymore, and often times, he just looks slow as hell. If it wasn't for Joe Johnson being ridiculously hot with his jumper tonight, we lose this game...and everyone probably blames Jerome Jordan or something.
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this is so spot on. right down to this board finding a scapegoat like jordan had we lost. im not going to single dwill out or say he played bad... but he certainly did not play good. especially when you consider the matchup. i really dont get why the bar set so insanely low. shooting under 40% without hitting a bunch of 3s or points in the paint is not a good game

[Prokorov]

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overrate fraud all-star again

joe doing work... and not just the points he is creating a ton of offense and chipping in on the glass. he is primed for a big year and i think he has finally found his role on this team... isolation, but in the paint not on the permimeter

[Prokorov]

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overrate fraud all-star again

joe doing work... and not just the points he is creating a ton of offense and chipping in on the glass. he is primed for a big year and i think he has finally found his role on this team... isolation, but in the paint not on the permimeter

[DarkXaero]

Hope for him to be better, but stop expecting it, and stop telling everyone that are down on him that they're wrong, when Deron hasn't done a thing to prove otherwise. It's time for us to stop being happy with him "trying" to be a star, and actually start holding him accountable to star-like standards. As in, IDC how he tried to play, shooting 7-19 while being guarded by an undersized Brandon Jennings and a Pistons team that was one of the worst defensive squads in the league last year is a BAD game. Again, it's still not a good thing that his entire offensive game consists of jump shots, either his own or him assisting on jump shots. Deron Williams from a few years ago generated A TON of offense in the paint. We barely see him do that anymore, and often times, he just looks slow as hell. If it wasn't for Joe Johnson being ridiculously hot with his jumper tonight, we lose this game...and everyone probably blames Jerome Jordan or something.
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this is so spot on. right down to this board finding a scapegoat like jordan had we lost. im not going to single dwill out or say he played bad... but he certainly did not play good. especially when you consider the matchup. i really dont get why the bar set so insanely low. shooting under 40% without hitting a bunch of 3s or points in the paint is not a good game

I didn't say it was a good game, I just feel that it's harsh to criticize him for last night. There was a stretch in the second quarter when he took over, and carried us offensively. His handles, step, and jumper look as good as they ever have for us. To me, it seems clear that the ankle surgery over the offseason has made a significant difference. Once he gets more comfortable out there, his shooting numbers should be back to decent/good efficiency. Yesterday, he didn't have to do much, because JJ took over, and KG was highly influential as well.

As for Jerome Jordan, I feel like we haven't given him enough credit for the solid minutes he gave us last night. Other than an ill advised post up attempt, he was very good. This is especially encouraging, after he looked like a complete scrub against the Celtics.

[Prokorov]

There was a stretch in the second quarter when he took over, and carried us offensively. His handles, step, and jumper look as good as they ever have for us. To me, it seems clear that the ankle surgery over the offseason has made a significant difference.

he really doesnt look a ton different to me then he did the end of last year. his jumper was never a problem... he actually shot the ball well last season. it was his inability to get in the lane, lack of aggressiveness, and lack of finishing that was a problem... sure, he doesnt look like he is in pain, but he also doesnt have a hop in his step and isnt getting to the hoop. the few points he has score in the lane have been floaters.

Once he gets more comfortable out there, his shooting numbers should be back to decent/good efficiency. Yesterday, he didn't have to do much, because JJ took over, and KG was highly influential as well.

id hope so, cause right now he is an average PG

[Prokorov]

Lopez expected to play according to nets beat writers... thats encouraging.

love this quote by hollins:

"Once he gets his sea legs he’ll be fine," Lionel Hollins said. "The big key for me is what he’s going to do defensively. Is he going to be able to give us good shows [in pick-and-roll coverages] like we’ve been getting?

"In the last game, our pick-and-roll defense was really good. In the first game [at Boston on Wednesday], it was bad. So it’s encouraging to see us grasp it, and he needs to come in and give us that same kind of effort."

nothing about looking forward to having him out there or what he can bring... nope, hollins is all about if he can defend he will be on the floor. like the mindset.

[Paradise]

Lopez expected to play according to nets beat writers... thats encouraging.

love this quote by hollins:

"Once he gets his sea legs he’ll be fine," Lionel Hollins said. "The big key for me is what he’s going to do defensively. Is he going to be able to give us good shows [in pick-and-roll coverages] like we’ve been getting?

"In the last game, our pick-and-roll defense was really good. In the first game [at Boston on Wednesday], it was bad. So it’s encouraging to see us grasp it, and he needs to come in and give us that same kind of effort."

nothing about looking forward to having him out there or what he can bring... nope, hollins is all about if he can defend he will be on the floor. like the mindset.

This is what an elite coach sounds like. That's the same mindset of a Thibs, Rivers, Pop. We've been so desensitized to trash coaches for so many years.

[MrDollarBills]

Hollins is more worried about whether the guy can defend the pick and roll. I love it.

Im glad Brook's back but that means more of KG at PF, which has been bad for us defensively. On offense KG has been awesome so far.

I hope that we don't go away from Johnson in the post though. Joe is primed to have an elite season.

[Keith Van Horn]

I hope we experiment over a couple games this year a starting lineup of Plumlee/Brook and Mirza/Garnett.... Use AK at PF if those guys get in foul trouble and Jordan at C for the same reason.



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