Game Thread: Nets @ Warriors 11/13/14 10:30pm TNT

[Prokorov]

And yes, defense is a problem but ignoring the offense is just as bad.

No way in hell is the offense just as bad. disappointing? inconsistent? sure. but its not "worst offense in the league" type bad. right now our defense is like bottom 5 type bad. We are playing incosnsitent and selfish offense at times, but we are still scoring, scoring well enough to easily win. our offensive talent is good enough to overcome poor defensive play.

Our defense is terrible. and in all facets, more alarmingly our half court defense has been our worst. we cant gaurd the paint or keep guys out of it, or not foul. nothing is working right defensively. we can easily win with our offense as is as ugly as it is... we cant with how bad our defense is.

[jbeachboy]

I believe hollins will fix defense over time but we need roster changes and need to play markel brown

[Trader_Joe]

I believe hollins will fix defense over time but we need roster changes and need to play markel brown

I think any roster changes would happen at the trade deadline in a shed salary move.
Its hard to improve this team since we have mostly horrible contracts and then very low salaried players that are hard to match salary. I think our best bet is exploring moving Jack, Mirza and AK. They make about $13m total and might bring back some decent pieces. AK isn't playing, Jack has been inconsistent and not much of a PG while Mirza is a FA after this year and likely to command enough where it makes us think twice about keeping him as our priority is 2016.

[Trader_Joe]

Sadly I don't see Hollins benching KG or Lopez.
I was for Anderson starting when the season started but Bogs has been playing well, needs to be developed and it would kill his confidence.

Ideally I'd like to see...

D.Will (34) / Jack (14)
Bogs (28) / AA (12) / Jack (8)
JJ (34) / AA (6) / AK (8)
Plumlee (20) / Mirza (22) / AK (6)
Lopez (28) / KG (20)

Or something close to that. AK needs to be incorporated into the game more, especially so he can scrape off some rust and help us with his D and his passing. I'd like to see less Anderson. His D can be useful at times, but he can be a liability on O when he's chucking or trying to do too much.

Plumlee needs to play next to Lopez to see if it works and helps our D (KG is better overall, but as a C) and rebounding. Plumlee can concentrate on putbacks and the attention Lopez gets (not that Lopez would pass it, but if he is being overplayed Plumlee can take the pass from whoever is trying to feed Lopez). On D, I like Plumlee's ability to play team D, help D and the pick and roll. He can get overpowered at C, so maybe he's our best PF defensively.

I know people are clamoring but Brown or CJ, but I really doubt they are ready to contribute. Anderson is better on D than Brown and we have other options at PF over CJ.

Hollins has already benched brook in 4th quarters, i can see him removing him from the starting lineup if things dont improve... thats the good thing about hollins.

i agree on brown, no need for him yet... disagree on CJ, our PF spot has been beyond awful defensively, worth giving him meaningful minutes. Defense is a major issue right now, and we wont beat anyone until its fixed.

I really don't think a slight 6'8" rookie is going to help our D one bit.
If anything AK should get PF minutes or Jordan should play next to KG or Plumlee.

[therealbig3]

Defensively, I think the major change we need to make is to play KG more at C. At PF, he's a little slow...I don't think he looks anywhere close to as bad as he did last year at PF, and in fact, I think he's still a positive impact defender...but when you pair him with Lopez, you have two kind of slow big men, and KG has to cover for Brook's weaknesses quite a bit.

Mirza otoh has handled defense pretty well at PF to be totally honest...and I think it's much easier for KG to cover for Mirza while playing C than it is to cover for Brook while playing PF. I also agree with the idea of playing AK47 at PF more. He doesn't have a jumper anyway, playing him at SF will hurt our offense.

Deron-Bogs-Johnson-AK47-KG is a lineup I'd like to see a lot more of.

Also, I think Plumlee should see a severe reduction in minutes if we want to actually play better. As of right now...he's just not good, on either side of the ball. He's pretty awful defensively, and for as much crap as Brook gets for bad rebounding (which is warranted)...Plumlee has worse fundamentals than Brook by a mile. He might grab more rebounds by virtue of being quicker and more athletic...but he NEVER boxes out. Seriously, pay attention to how many 2nd chance opportunities opposing teams get when Plumlee is out there...Plumlee never puts a body on his man, and as a result, they pretty much always have an opportunity to get the ball, or at least get their hand on the ball and tip it away from Plumlee and preserve the possession. It's so frustrating, because that's rebounding 101. Lopez is just REALLY slow reacting to the ball, and even when it's right in front of him, he just stands there and stares at it...that's also really frustrating, but I think I'd take that over Plumlee having the fundamentals of a 6th grader (literally, a 6th grader...I only played in rec leagues up through middle school, and I would still get chewed out by my coaches if I didn't box out...Plumlee's failing to do that at the NBA level).

[Paradise]

And yes, defense is a problem but ignoring the offense is just as bad.

No way in hell is the offense just as bad. disappointing? inconsistent? sure. but its not "worst offense in the league" type bad. right now our defense is like bottom 5 type bad. We are playing incosnsitent and selfish offense at times, but we are still scoring, scoring well enough to easily win. our offensive talent is good enough to overcome poor defensive play.

Our defense is terrible. and in all facets, more alarmingly our half court defense has been our worst. we cant gaurd the paint or keep guys out of it, or not foul. nothing is working right defensively. we can easily win with our offense as is as ugly as it is... we cant with how bad our defense is.

Easily? You're not winning anything if you average 55.0 to 60 points in one half and shoot 30% in the second half. Any competent team will catch up if a team is shooting that poorly and taking complacent shots like we are.

[Rainy]

And yes, defense is a problem but ignoring the offense is just as bad.

No way in hell is the offense just as bad. disappointing? inconsistent? sure. but its not "worst offense in the league" type bad. right now our defense is like bottom 5 type bad. We are playing incosnsitent and selfish offense at times, but we are still scoring, scoring well enough to easily win. our offensive talent is good enough to overcome poor defensive play.

Our defense is terrible. and in all facets, more alarmingly our half court defense has been our worst. we cant gaurd the paint or keep guys out of it, or not foul. nothing is working right defensively. we can easily win with our offense as is as ugly as it is... we cant with how bad our defense is.

Easily? You're not winning anything if you average 55.0 to 60 points in one half and shoot 30% in the second half. Any competent team will catch up if a team is shooting that poorly and taking complacent shots like we are.

I don't expect our recent struggles to continue offensively (defensively is a different story). Our first few games were marked by excellent ball movement. We looked like a true system offense and we have the personnel to execute the kind of offense with a ton of floor spacers and a healthy Dwill. It's just a matter of properly integrating players into our system. JJ has been a huge problem over the last few games. It's not just the iso-ball that concerns me. It's that he has been dominating the ball so much that he takes it out of the hands of Deron, our best playmaker. Deron should be a ball-dominant PG. When he is run off screens and used as a decoy his talents aren't properly maximized. I have confidence JJ will return to being a third option scorer and a primary spot-up shooter like Klay Thompson. That is where he is best utilized.

The other, lesser, problem is in integrating Lopez into the system. Hollins has done an atrocious job finding a way to utilize Brook. What I would like to see is us establish the PnR with Brook. With his long strides and finishing ability he could be deadly running the PnR with Deron. Unfortunately, KG has been setting most of the picks with the first unit, but hopefully Hollins recognizes this is a poor strategy.

[Paradise]

No way in hell is the offense just as bad. disappointing? inconsistent? sure. but its not "worst offense in the league" type bad. right now our defense is like bottom 5 type bad. We are playing incosnsitent and selfish offense at times, but we are still scoring, scoring well enough to easily win. our offensive talent is good enough to overcome poor defensive play.

Our defense is terrible. and in all facets, more alarmingly our half court defense has been our worst. we cant gaurd the paint or keep guys out of it, or not foul. nothing is working right defensively. we can easily win with our offense as is as ugly as it is... we cant with how bad our defense is.

Easily? You're not winning anything if you average 55.0 to 60 points in one half and shoot 30% in the second half. Any competent team will catch up if a team is shooting that poorly and taking complacent shots like we are.

I don't expect our recent struggles to continue offensively (defensively is a different story). Our first few games were marked by excellent ball movement. We looked like a true system offense and we have the personnel to execute the kind of offense with a ton of floor spacers and a healthy Dwill. It's just a matter of properly integrating players into our system. JJ has been a huge problem over the last few games. It's not just the iso-ball that concerns me. It's that he has been dominating the ball so much that he takes it out of the hands of Deron, our best playmaker. Deron should be a ball-dominant PG. When he is run off screens and used as a decoy his talents aren't properly maximized. I have confidence JJ will return to being a third option scorer and a primary spot-up shooter like Klay Thompson. That is where he is best utilized.

The other, lesser, problem is in integrating Lopez into the system. Hollins has done an atrocious job finding a way to utilize Brook. What I would like to see is us establish the PnR with Brook. With his long strides and finishing ability he could be deadly running the PnR with Deron. Unfortunately, KG has been setting most of the picks with the first unit, but hopefully Hollins recognizes this is a poor strategy.

To be fair to Hollins, when Deron tries to run the PnR with Brook, he has fumbles the pass or he gets blocked rolling to the rim. Bogut and Green blocked him multiple times when he rolled to the basket.

[jbeachboy]

id like to get gerald green back in free agency, maybe thomas robinson , keep mirza if its not too expensive

let kirilenko go and garnett will retire or go, let alan anderson go and find a new sg when alan anderson deal expires

[Prokorov]

Sadly I don't see Hollins benching KG or Lopez.
I was for Anderson starting when the season started but Bogs has been playing well, needs to be developed and it would kill his confidence.

Ideally I'd like to see...

D.Will (34) / Jack (14)
Bogs (28) / AA (12) / Jack (8)
JJ (34) / AA (6) / AK (8)
Plumlee (20) / Mirza (22) / AK (6)
Lopez (28) / KG (20)

Or something close to that. AK needs to be incorporated into the game more, especially so he can scrape off some rust and help us with his D and his passing. I'd like to see less Anderson. His D can be useful at times, but he can be a liability on O when he's chucking or trying to do too much.

Plumlee needs to play next to Lopez to see if it works and helps our D (KG is better overall, but as a C) and rebounding. Plumlee can concentrate on putbacks and the attention Lopez gets (not that Lopez would pass it, but if he is being overplayed Plumlee can take the pass from whoever is trying to feed Lopez). On D, I like Plumlee's ability to play team D, help D and the pick and roll. He can get overpowered at C, so maybe he's our best PF defensively.

I know people are clamoring but Brown or CJ, but I really doubt they are ready to contribute. Anderson is better on D than Brown and we have other options at PF over CJ.

Hollins has already benched brook in 4th quarters, i can see him removing him from the starting lineup if things dont improve... thats the good thing about hollins.

i agree on brown, no need for him yet... disagree on CJ, our PF spot has been beyond awful defensively, worth giving him meaningful minutes. Defense is a major issue right now, and we wont beat anyone until its fixed.

I really don't think a slight 6'8" rookie is going to help our D one bit.
If anything AK should get PF minutes or Jordan should play next to KG or Plumlee.

it cant get any worse.

AK is irrelevant, even if he is better he wont make it through the season

[MrDollarBills]

Easily? You're not winning anything if you average 55.0 to 60 points in one half and shoot 30% in the second half. Any competent team will catch up if a team is shooting that poorly and taking complacent shots like we are.

I don't expect our recent struggles to continue offensively (defensively is a different story). Our first few games were marked by excellent ball movement. We looked like a true system offense and we have the personnel to execute the kind of offense with a ton of floor spacers and a healthy Dwill. It's just a matter of properly integrating players into our system. JJ has been a huge problem over the last few games. It's not just the iso-ball that concerns me. It's that he has been dominating the ball so much that he takes it out of the hands of Deron, our best playmaker. Deron should be a ball-dominant PG. When he is run off screens and used as a decoy his talents aren't properly maximized. I have confidence JJ will return to being a third option scorer and a primary spot-up shooter like Klay Thompson. That is where he is best utilized.

The other, lesser, problem is in integrating Lopez into the system. Hollins has done an atrocious job finding a way to utilize Brook. What I would like to see is us establish the PnR with Brook. With his long strides and finishing ability he could be deadly running the PnR with Deron. Unfortunately, KG has been setting most of the picks with the first unit, but hopefully Hollins recognizes this is a poor strategy.

To be fair to Hollins, when Deron tries to run the PnR with Brook, he has fumbles the pass or he gets blocked rolling to the rim. Bogut and Green blocked him multiple times when he rolled to the basket.

That's because Lopez is softer than baby food.