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GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES

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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#81 » by FireBillyKing » Mon Dec 1, 2014 7:06 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:This needs to be blown up, but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone taking any of our pieces. Johnson and Lopez are untradeable. Williams has played well but his value and rep have been damaged so badly no one is going to take him unless they send some bad salary back.

Here's the harsh truth: There are no moves to be made. What's worse is that King's foolishness will now gift Atlanta and Boston lottery picks.


This is harsh truth. As a Nets fan you have two hopes.

1. Nets play 500 ball over the next four seasons to make being a fan bearable. Nets have mostly untraceable contracts and no draft picks with value to make any real improvements.

2. King gets removed and a competent GM is put in place in 2015. Its not that another GM can fix this team, but you want to avoid King doing further damage. I can see King trading expiring contracts for Josh Smith or Eric Gordon to keep sinking the ship further.
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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#82 » by kerry kittles » Mon Dec 1, 2014 7:12 pm

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kerry kittles wrote:@nydninternets: In Livingston, Pierce and Blatche, Nets lost 5,690 min. They said it didn't matter cause Brook was coming back and Plumlee/Mirza need time.

Didn't watch this game but this is true. We miss these guys as some of us had mentioned we would.

And the thing is Pierce got better as the season went on.

Most people railed on him in the begging but a few of us (cough cough) kept saying "He's like an old machine…it'll take time to get him going but once he does, he'll be good." That's exactly what happened.

Bogs is a rookie and while he was playing stellar ball, it'd be foolish to expect him to be very good for the entire year. He's going to have his struggles and rookie moments.

Pierce has been there, done that. I'm not saying that I'd rather Pierce than Bogs going forward. I don't think Pierce fits a Hollins team anyway.

But if you look at the dynamics of last year's team, we had the talent and depth to clean up our act and at least put a nice run to the end of the season.

This year we're missing the talent and the depth. Those things simply can't be overcome by Brook Lopez and Deron Williams being healthy. We need a full, talented, and healthy team in order to do serious damage in the league. Last year we weren't healthy, but we had depth and talent. This year we don't have the depth and IMO we're definitely less talented than last year, but we're healthy (so far).

This is the main reason why I picked us to win less games even if we were healthy for the entire season. We just don't have enough to make the run that we made last year to salvage a bad season.



Yes, Pierce played at a near All Star level after the all star his final season and had been taking a little while to warm up the past couple years. He was also play with a cast on his shooting hand, which obviously affected his shooting. Livingston was terrible to start the season, but so instrumental in us turning the season.

You can't just compare these two teams and say oh they were here when we 10-22, buy ignore the fact they were two of the biggest reasons we turned the season around. Whose spearheading the turnaround this year? Can't see anyone on this roster.

Blatche was so unbelievably frustrating, but talented. Didn't think we would need him with expecting Plumlee to take the next step forward. Blatche is definitely the more talented player than Jordan whose being relied upon right now.

I said after Pierce left theres a good chance we miss the playoffs. I changed my stance after PG went down and thought it would be the same teams as last year with the Pacers and Cavs trading places. It is looking much like the Knicks season last year where we be fighting hard in a historically bad east for the chance to be the worst 8th seed ever or an expensive flop with our pick being shipped out.

Also like the Knicks these pieces cant be moved. Our big 3 all have negative trade value and we can't pay for someone to be take them
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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#83 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Dec 1, 2014 8:45 pm

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Prokorov wrote:Losing to the bulls is expected. losing to the bulls by 20 at home while the bulls played pretty awful (20 turnovers, horrible 3 point shooting) is an embarassment.

Oh how familiar this is...

Rewind back to the 2012 playoffs, embarrassed by the Bulls in Barclays.

New coach, same core, same result...smh

It's pretty funny our other fans are scapegoating Hollins as the reason this team playing subpar basketball. Kidd is 10-7 with the Bucks and Hollins is coming off a successful stint with Memphis despite his own flaws as a coach.

The reality is this team sucks and alot of them have no heart. We have individual parts that don't fit.

Deron and Joe don't mesh. Deron has a career low season while Joe flourished with Kidd and now Deron is flourishing with Hollins while Joe looks pathetic and invisible.

Lopez is soft. He's not a winner and he has looked even softer after Hollins has pushed him to rebound and pass. He has the confidence of a teenage whore. You can't win with a guy who can't handle tough love and constructive criticism.

Plumlee isn't any good. His poor shot selection is one thing but he still hasn't improved his rebounding or defense and that's on him. No one else.

Mirza is clueless to defense and rebounding when his shots aren't falling.

Brian Shaw wouldn't have helped, George Karl wouldn't have helped, nobody can fix the mess of this roster.


Hollins' two biggest gaffes to me so far have been his mishandling of the young players and AK47. He complicated the game for Plumlee instead of keeping him in the role that he was best suited for and now his development has been flushed, but he also did not really make any strides in any of the areas that we needed him to. He has imo really stagnated any possible development of young players that could possibly occur, the team is in dire need of athleticism on the floor and Brown gets no burn. the AK47 situation was brutal honesty but imo totally unprofessional. It isn't like anyone else on the roster is exactly tearing it up at the forward position for AK not to get a chance to play. Aside from that I don't have any problems with him because it is clearer than EVER now that the reason we are inept is because:

THE SUM OF THE PARTS **** ING STINK.

Can't blame Hollins at all. Lopez is a bitch, and Johnson has flat out quit.
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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#84 » by Paradise » Mon Dec 1, 2014 11:02 pm

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Paradise wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:Oh how familiar this is...

Rewind back to the 2012 playoffs, embarrassed by the Bulls in Barclays.

New coach, same core, same result...smh

It's pretty funny our other fans are scapegoating Hollins as the reason this team playing subpar basketball. Kidd is 10-7 with the Bucks and Hollins is coming off a successful stint with Memphis despite his own flaws as a coach.

The reality is this team sucks and alot of them have no heart. We have individual parts that don't fit.

Deron and Joe don't mesh. Deron has a career low season while Joe flourished with Kidd and now Deron is flourishing with Hollins while Joe looks pathetic and invisible.

Lopez is soft. He's not a winner and he has looked even softer after Hollins has pushed him to rebound and pass. He has the confidence of a teenage whore. You can't win with a guy who can't handle tough love and constructive criticism.

Plumlee isn't any good. His poor shot selection is one thing but he still hasn't improved his rebounding or defense and that's on him. No one else.

Mirza is clueless to defense and rebounding when his shots aren't falling.

Brian Shaw wouldn't have helped, George Karl wouldn't have helped, nobody can fix the mess of this roster.


Hollins' two biggest gaffes to me so far have been his mishandling of the young players and AK47. He complicated the game for Plumlee instead of keeping him in the role that he was best suited for and now his development has been flushed, but he also did not really make any strides in any of the areas that we needed him to. He has imo really stagnated any possible development of young players that could possibly occur, the team is in dire need of athleticism on the floor and Brown gets no burn. the AK47 situation was brutal honesty but imo totally unprofessional. It isn't like anyone else on the roster is exactly tearing it up at the forward position for AK not to get a chance to play. Aside from that I don't have any problems with him because it is clearer than EVER now that the reason we are inept is because:

THE SUM OF THE PARTS **** ING STINK.

Can't blame Hollins at all. Lopez is a bitch, and Johnson has flat out quit.


In terms of Plumlee, he was looking to expand his game before Kidd left and Kidd actually talked about his development the week before he left. Even though Hollins is giving him way too much freedom with post ups and driving hook shots, Plumlee is still averaging a significantly low percentage at the rim. So, even his dunks and layups are not falling and that's totally on him. His poor free throw shooing is on him.

The thing about Plumlee that has completely pissed me off is he has continuously broke the play sets in the offense. Yesterday, Deron tried to run a dribble hand off play with him in a pick and roll where Plumlee catches it on the post, Deron is supposed to curl and pass it back to Plumlee on the roll to the basket but instead soon as Plumlee got it on the post, he tried a hook shot and missed it badly over Gasol. Then, on the end he totally blows a defensive assignment.

I totally agree on Brown. He should be getting minutes even if it's just 2 or 3 minutes per quarter. I'm glad Hollins is finally using Cory Jefferson even if it was due to foul trouble. We need to see if these guys can really play. Our most athletic contributor can't be Jerome Jordan.
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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#85 » by Prokorov » Mon Dec 1, 2014 11:15 pm

kerry kittles wrote:I said after Pierce left theres a good chance we miss the playoffs. I changed my stance after PG went down and thought it would be the same teams as last year with the Pacers and Cavs trading places. It is looking much like the Knicks season last year where we be fighting hard in a historically bad east for the chance to be the worst 8th seed ever or an expensive flop with our pick being shipped out.

Also like the Knicks these pieces cant be moved. Our big 3 all have negative trade value and we can't pay for someone to be take them


its not about not having pierce or blatche. its about having lopez back. last year when we had pierce and lopez we still sucked balls. lopez just requires too much around him to make up for his glaring weaknesses. he is the worst defensive starting C in the league, his offense freezes everyone out, he doesnt rebound and he is super soft.

you basically need 2 hustle/rebound/defend/competitors at SF/PF to have a shot. as bad as it made the offense look wallace/hump/evans were good fits cause they required 0 shots and would rebound and defend.

lopez also requires us to play KG at the 4, where he is borderline useless on both ends.

get rid of or bench lopez and we are good enough to make the playoffs. this is the same as 2 years ago, beat the horrible teams, lose to the good ones and make the playoffs in a bad east.

its all good though.... just read that other daily site on this team. they have us winning 60 games still
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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#86 » by Paradise » Mon Dec 1, 2014 11:37 pm

And here we go

[tweet]https://twitter.com/uuords/status/539475455544676352[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/nydninternets/status/539501653842751489[/tweet]
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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#87 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Dec 2, 2014 1:07 am

Paradise wrote:And here we go

[tweet]https://twitter.com/uuords/status/539475455544676352[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/nydninternets/status/539501653842751489[/tweet]

Oh now he wants to talk?

Other GMs don't give their team 2+ seasons to gel even with excuses. It's way too late now Billy. You got rammed hard in the deals you got to take on these players and you better believe you're not going to win these deals that may get rid of them.

SMH….get a 2015 1st rd pick at least so missing the playoffs wouldn't be a total loss.

Maybe when JJ said "I'm off dis ****" he really meant he was leaving to get traded lol. Ever since he said that, he's been dogging it and playing like he doesn't care.

He's been our most consistent (although still not overall prolific) player over the time he's been here. If other teams are looking for that other semi-star guy to push them over the top so they can compete for the next two seasons, we need cap relief at the minimum.
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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#88 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 2, 2014 1:56 am

Paradise wrote:And here we go

[tweet]https://twitter.com/uuords/status/539475455544676352[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/nydninternets/status/539501653842751489[/tweet]


Yeah? His ass had BETTER be on those phones, and here's why:

$93,741,207

Do you understand that there are countries on our planet whose GDP is lower than that?

The Nets are spending the GDP of **** ing SLOVAKIA and ECUADOR to field a team that barely can beat the Philadelphia 76ers and get blown out by the Bulls on their own court.

This is the one issue with having one of the richest owners in North American pro sports: this is pocket change to Mikhail.

Everyone on this team from the GM to the goddamn janitors in the Barclays should be uncomfortable as hell.

If the Russians operated within the realm of reality and common sense, King would be unemployed and putting his home up for sale.
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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#89 » by kerry kittles » Tue Dec 2, 2014 2:32 am

Paradise wrote:And here we go

[tweet]https://twitter.com/uuords/status/539475455544676352[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/nydninternets/status/539501653842751489[/tweet]


To be honest this worries me. I just really want King gone more than I want any player off this roster. Brook, Joe, and Deron all have negative trade value. We're not going to get anything good for them. I'm worried about having to give up Bogdanovic or extending our cap hell by trading Brook or Joe for some packaged like Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings. King overpaid in every major deal he's made and we expect him to make major roster changes without overpaying. I'd rather just ride this out as frustrating as it may be then have a short term fix that messes with our cap space in 2016 - the one worth moving in that scenario is Deron which would be tough
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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#90 » by Paradise » Tue Dec 2, 2014 2:44 am

kerry kittles wrote:
Paradise wrote:And here we go

[tweet]https://twitter.com/uuords/status/539475455544676352[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/nydninternets/status/539501653842751489[/tweet]


To be honest this worries me. I just really want King gone more than I want any player off this roster. Brook, Joe, and Deron all have negative trade value. We're not going to get anything good for them. I'm worried about having to give up Bogdanovic or extending our cap hell by trading Brook or Joe for some packaged like Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings. King overpaid in every major deal he's made and we expect him to make major roster changes without overpaying. I'd rather just ride this out as frustrating as it may be then have a short term fix that messes with our cap space in 2016 - the one worth moving in that scenario is Deron which would be tough

I feel the same. He would get fleeced in any trade that helps our cause. The only saving grace is the mandate from ownership that we have to have a clear cap in 2016. If that wasn't made clear god knows what Billy would be doing right now. The least he can do is find value for Plumlee and Kirilenko. He needs to be fired or demoted before any big moves are made.
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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#91 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 2, 2014 11:46 am

You trust Billy King in 2016 with cap space?

When does his contract end?
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Re: GT: Chicago Bulls @ Brooklyn Nets - 11/29/14 3:00pm YES 

Post#92 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Dec 2, 2014 3:11 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:When does his contract end?

Not soon enough.

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