PG: Nuggets/Nets - Beast Mode Plumlee!

[CalamityX12]

Jack was a douche not setting up sergey for an alley after the that steal....

Other than that, his floater was deadly tonight

[kerry kittles]

Joe and Plumlee have been awesome the last 7 games

And just to expand, last 7 games:

Joe 19.4 ppg on 51.9%/51.2 3P%, 3.7 apg, 4.1 rpg

Mason: 18.1 ppg on 67.5%, 10.6 rpg, 1.7 blk

[Paradise]

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[Lamak]

Lopez literally can't do some of the things Plumlee can but also vice-versa. It sucks they can't seem to play together.

[therealbig3]

Jarrett Jack as the starter the last 2 games:

15 points, 10 assists, 2 TOs, 52% TS

17 points, 8 assists, 3 TOs, 59% TS


I like Jarrett Jack. He takes dumb shots, he commits stupid TOs, but he's aggressive and plays hard, and when given the opportunity, he's putting up the same numbers as Deron.

[jeff1624]

Jarrett Jack as the starter the last 2 games:

15 points, 10 assists, 2 TOs, 52% TS

17 points, 8 assists, 3 TOs, 59% TS


I like Jarrett Jack. He takes dumb shots, he commits stupid TOs, but he's aggressive and plays hard, and when given the opportunity, he's putting up the same numbers as Deron.

He's been great these last two games, but two games don't erase two months of damaging evidence against him:

[Born_Ready]

Great showing by Mr. Plumlee last night. He has shown flashes that he can be an above average player in the league. Loving his work ethic (that Duke mentality). Definitely one of the bright spots on a team that is retooling.

[therealbig3]

Ouch, that on/off is hilariously awful.

[F3LON]

Jarrett Jack as the starter the last 2 games:

15 points, 10 assists, 2 TOs, 52% TS

17 points, 8 assists, 3 TOs, 59% TS


I like Jarrett Jack. He takes dumb shots, he commits stupid TOs, but he's aggressive and plays hard, and when given the opportunity, he's putting up the same numbers as Deron.

Ive always liked Jack. He plays the right way. He isnt taking "dumb shots" either. He is one of the best players in the NBA in taking off the dribble pullup jumpers. Read this article.

http://www.fearthesword.com/2013/8/6/45 ... nge-jumper

It's an ugly shot but he makes it at a high clip. When most PGs start driving to the rim they are only looking to lay it up or kick it out. Jack adds defending his pull up shot which forces the big to come out, especially in PnR. This is a big reason why Plumlee has been balling. His guy is getting hung up guarding Jack at the FT line and Plumlee is getting an unobstructed run to the rim. Its fundamental basketball. It's why the PnR is so prevalent in today's NBA.

Joe Johnson is also very good at taking that shot but Joe telegraphs when he is going to do it. You might have noticed that Jack does the same power dribble that Johnson does where they put there guy on their hip. It almost looks like an adult putting their hand on a child's head like a stiff arm when you play keep away. He has enough strength in his base to rise up on his jumper and hit at close to 50% despite being pushed.

Jack is big for a PG 6'3" so when he has a size advantage he uses it. Unfortanetly the Nets have been playing him alot with DWill and they put a true SG on him to take away his power dribble. He also was asked to be more of a scorer earlier in the season. He is looking to distribute more with the starters and he is more then capable. I always thought a team should give Jack a chance to be the starting PG but was never given the chance. All you have to do is pair him with a smaller PG like Collison or Isiah Thomas for the games that he doesnt have a significant size advantage.

[MGrand15]

Jarrett Jack as the starter the last 2 games:

15 points, 10 assists, 2 TOs, 52% TS

17 points, 8 assists, 3 TOs, 59% TS


I like Jarrett Jack. He takes dumb shots, he commits stupid TOs, but he's aggressive and plays hard, and when given the opportunity, he's putting up the same numbers as Deron.

Ive always liked Jack. He plays the right way. He isnt taking "dumb shots" either. He is one of the best players in the NBA in taking off the dribble pullup jumpers. Read this article.

http://www.fearthesword.com/2013/8/6/45 ... nge-jumper

It's an ugly shot but he makes it at a high clip. When most PGs start driving to the rim they are only looking to lay it up or kick it out. Jack adds defending his pull up shot which forces the big to come out, especially in PnR. This is a big reason why Plumlee has been balling. His guy is getting hung up guarding Jack at the FT line and Plumlee is getting an unobstructed run to the rim. Its fundamental basketball. It's why the PnR is so prevalent in today's NBA.

Joe Johnson is also very good at taking that shot but Joe telegraphs when he is going to do it. You might have noticed that Jack does the same power dribble that Johnson does where they put there guy on their hip. It almost looks like an adult putting their hand on a child's head like a stiff arm when you play keep away. He has enough strength in his base to rise up on his jumper and hit at close to 50% despite being pushed.

Jack is big for a PG 6'3" so when he has a size advantage he uses it. Unfortanetly the Nets have been playing him alot with DWill and they put a true SG on him to take away his power dribble. He also was asked to be more of a scorer earlier in the season. He is looking to distribute more with the starters and he is more then capable. I always thought a team should give Jack a chance to be the starting PG but was never given the chance. All you have to do is pair him with a smaller PG like Collison or Isiah Thomas for the games that he doesnt have a significant size advantage.

Teams aren't worried about Jarrett Jack. When he plays next to DWill, teams throw their SG on Deron 100% of the time. No one is worried about nullifying Jack's size advantage. It's not like he uses it to get to the rim or to post up or get to the line.

Hopefully these 2 games as a starter wakes Jack up. This is how we need him to play. It's not about making shots - it's about executing. His on/off numbers are no coincidence. He's been very selfish this year, very dumb in terms of shot selection, and very bad at defending. I'll never understand why he's so afraid to take 3pters. The guy shot 40% from 3 in GS. He's down to 13% from 3, mostly because he has Livingston's mentality when it comes to 3s.

[F3LON]

Jarrett Jack as the starter the last 2 games:

15 points, 10 assists, 2 TOs, 52% TS

17 points, 8 assists, 3 TOs, 59% TS


I like Jarrett Jack. He takes dumb shots, he commits stupid TOs, but he's aggressive and plays hard, and when given the opportunity, he's putting up the same numbers as Deron.

Ive always liked Jack. He plays the right way. He isnt taking "dumb shots" either. He is one of the best players in the NBA in taking off the dribble pullup jumpers. Read this article.

http://www.fearthesword.com/2013/8/6/45 ... nge-jumper

It's an ugly shot but he makes it at a high clip. When most PGs start driving to the rim they are only looking to lay it up or kick it out. Jack adds defending his pull up shot which forces the big to come out, especially in PnR. This is a big reason why Plumlee has been balling. His guy is getting hung up guarding Jack at the FT line and Plumlee is getting an unobstructed run to the rim. Its fundamental basketball. It's why the PnR is so prevalent in today's NBA.

Joe Johnson is also very good at taking that shot but Joe telegraphs when he is going to do it. You might have noticed that Jack does the same power dribble that Johnson does where they put there guy on their hip. It almost looks like an adult putting their hand on a child's head like a stiff arm when you play keep away. He has enough strength in his base to rise up on his jumper and hit at close to 50% despite being pushed.

Jack is big for a PG 6'3" so when he has a size advantage he uses it. Unfortanetly the Nets have been playing him alot with DWill and they put a true SG on him to take away his power dribble. He also was asked to be more of a scorer earlier in the season. He is looking to distribute more with the starters and he is more then capable. I always thought a team should give Jack a chance to be the starting PG but was never given the chance. All you have to do is pair him with a smaller PG like Collison or Isiah Thomas for the games that he doesnt have a significant size advantage.

Teams aren't worried about Jarrett Jack. When he plays next to DWill, teams throw their SG on Deron 100% of the time. No one is worried about nullifying Jack's size advantage. It's not like he uses it to get to the rim or to post up or get to the line.

Hopefully these 2 games as a starter wakes Jack up. This is how we need him to play. It's not about making shots - it's about executing. His on/off numbers are no coincidence. He's been very selfish this year, very dumb in terms of shot selection, and very bad at defending. I'll never understand why he's so afraid to take 3pters. The guy shot 40% from 3 in GS. He's down to 13% from 3, mostly because he has Livingston's mentality when it comes to 3s.

On/off numbers dont mean much when he is forced to play with guys like Anderson, Davies, Jordan, Gutz, Morris, etc. Obviously he is going to have to shoulder more of the scoring load with these guys. We are seeing what he is capable of playing with the starters and he has been pretty damn good.

Jack doesnt need to get to the FT line in order to use his size just like JJ doesnt. He also shouldnt be taking that many 3pters either since his value is breaking defenses with his dribble penetration. He's only taken 31 3pt so Im not worried about his % yet. He is shooting 49.8% from 2pt and that's very good for a PG so I dont know why you say that's poor shot selection. His defense has been poor, I'll give you that, but it's not like we are getting better defense from DWill. I think Jack has played pretty well all year, not just the last 2 games.

[jeff1624]

Ive always liked Jack. He plays the right way. He isnt taking "dumb shots" either. He is one of the best players in the NBA in taking off the dribble pullup jumpers. Read this article.

http://www.fearthesword.com/2013/8/6/45 ... nge-jumper

It's an ugly shot but he makes it at a high clip. When most PGs start driving to the rim they are only looking to lay it up or kick it out. Jack adds defending his pull up shot which forces the big to come out, especially in PnR. This is a big reason why Plumlee has been balling. His guy is getting hung up guarding Jack at the FT line and Plumlee is getting an unobstructed run to the rim. Its fundamental basketball. It's why the PnR is so prevalent in today's NBA.

Joe Johnson is also very good at taking that shot but Joe telegraphs when he is going to do it. You might have noticed that Jack does the same power dribble that Johnson does where they put there guy on their hip. It almost looks like an adult putting their hand on a child's head like a stiff arm when you play keep away. He has enough strength in his base to rise up on his jumper and hit at close to 50% despite being pushed.

Jack is big for a PG 6'3" so when he has a size advantage he uses it. Unfortanetly the Nets have been playing him alot with DWill and they put a true SG on him to take away his power dribble. He also was asked to be more of a scorer earlier in the season. He is looking to distribute more with the starters and he is more then capable. I always thought a team should give Jack a chance to be the starting PG but was never given the chance. All you have to do is pair him with a smaller PG like Collison or Isiah Thomas for the games that he doesnt have a significant size advantage.

Teams aren't worried about Jarrett Jack. When he plays next to DWill, teams throw their SG on Deron 100% of the time. No one is worried about nullifying Jack's size advantage. It's not like he uses it to get to the rim or to post up or get to the line.

Hopefully these 2 games as a starter wakes Jack up. This is how we need him to play. It's not about making shots - it's about executing. His on/off numbers are no coincidence. He's been very selfish this year, very dumb in terms of shot selection, and very bad at defending. I'll never understand why he's so afraid to take 3pters. The guy shot 40% from 3 in GS. He's down to 13% from 3, mostly because he has Livingston's mentality when it comes to 3s.

On/off numbers dont mean much when he is forced to play with guys like Anderson, Davies, Jordan, Gutz, Morris, etc. Obviously he is going to have to shoulder more of the scoring load with these guys. We are seeing what he is capable of playing with the starters and he has been pretty damn good.

Jack doesnt need to get to the FT line in order to use his size just like JJ doesnt. He also shouldnt be taking that many 3pters either since his value is breaking defenses with his dribble penetration. He's only taken 31 3pt so Im not worried about his % yet. He is shooting 49.8% from 2pt and that's very good for a PG so I dont know why you say that's poor shot selection. His defense has been poor, I'll give you that, but it's not like we are getting better defense from DWill. I think Jack has played pretty well all year, not just the last 2 games.

Jack has played roughly 44 minutes with Deron, Joe, Mirza and Brook at the same time. They score 89 pts per 100 pos. That same lineup with Bogdanovic instead of Jack scores 104 pts per 100 pos in 67 minutes played. Ironically, the best 5 man unit jack is in includes 4 other bench-type players (Anderson, Bogs, Teletovic, Plumlee). Also he has the worst On/off court numbers on the team. More than Jordan, Jefferson, Mirza, Anderson etc. And he plays more minutes with the starters than any of those guys... so I'm not sure the argument that he plays with lesser players therefore he's inefficient is appropriate here.

That being said I've really liked his shot selection these last two games. I hope that he has turned over a new leaf (along with Plumlee) because we need him to be this good when Deron comes back if we have any intention of making the playoffs.

[NyCeEvO]

Let's just rationalize reasons why when Jack played terrible, it wasn't actually his fault, it was his teammates' fault. But when Jack plays good, it's all him and nothing to do with his teammates.

You can't have it both ways. There's no player who can have a valid excuse for poor play 100% of the time. Sometimes you just suck and that's the bottom line.

It's undeniable that Jack was horrible at the start of the season. Errant passes, dumb TOs, early shots on fastbreaks where we didn't have the advantage.

He's improved since the beginning and he's played great the last two games.

Can we just call it like we see it rather than have biases bleed so clearly through analysis for players we like or dislike? It's much more enjoyable to be on this forum when people call out players when they deserved to be called out and praise them when they deserved to be praised.

[NyCeEvO]

Let's just rationalize reasons why when Jack played terrible, it wasn't actually his fault, it was his teammates' fault. But when Jack plays good, it's all him and nothing to do with his teammates.

You can't have it both ways. There's no player who can have a valid excuse for poor play 100% of the time. Sometimes you just suck and that's the bottom line.

It's undeniable that Jack was horrible at the start of the season. Errant passes, dumb TOs, early shots on fastbreaks where we didn't have the advantage.

He's improved since the beginning and he's played great the last two games.

Can we just call it like we see it rather than have biases bleed so clearly through analysis for players we like or dislike? It's much more enjoyable to be on this forum when people call out players when they deserved to be called out and praise them when they deserved to be praised.