PG: Sixers/Nets - Hollins out tanks Philly

[Born_Ready]

The Brooklyn Nets strive for mediocrity. It's the Brooklyn way. No one is more to blame than Billy King himself. Other teams know the Nets are desperate for a trade. However, King cannot pull the rabbit out of his hat because he used all his tricks. The team has minimal assets to offer. Let's face it-- King has single handily placed this team where they are. Might as well embrace it because chit won't change for a while.

[Prokorov]

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So, our best player doesn't believe we're good but Billy King wanted to stand pat because of a fluke win vs Chicago.

our best player thinks we arent good, but fans are blaming the coach for holding us back from being a 4 or 5 seed

[Prokorov]

Well the good news with this lsoing streak and mroe losses sure to come (i thinkw e lose 11 straight total with who we have coming up) is that a trade is sure to come, and its likely lopez and/or dwill.

once those guys are gone, at least we will have pieces that better, fit, rid their salary and have a team that plays hard that i can root for

[Shook Jones]

If Dwill is moved for anything more than a sandwich thats a coup. He is a total dog. I saw Klay Thompson get his forehead split open yesterday and come back in the game with 7 stitches. Dwill would have been out for 5 games.

[Paradise]

If Dwill is moved for anything more than a sandwich thats a coup. He is a total dog. I saw Klay Thompson get his forehead split open yesterday and come back in the game with 7 stitches. Dwill would have been out for 5 games.

Deron played through a torn wrist and bad ankles. His ability to play through injuries is not the problem. I'm not sure why that's being overstated.

[Prokorov]

If Dwill is moved for anything more than a sandwich thats a coup. He is a total dog. I saw Klay Thompson get his forehead split open yesterday and come back in the game with 7 stitches. Dwill would have been out for 5 games.

Deron played through a torn wrist and bad ankles. His ability to play through injuries is not the problem. I'm not sure why that's being overstated.

I agree, deron's probablem isnt playing through injury it is that he is constantlly injured.

i have a much bigger problem with dwills effort level then i do his toughness... not sure why that would be called into question (at least his physical toughness, mental is another story)

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah Deron will play through injury, he just won't give an effort really warranting a pat on the back for toughing it out

**** this whole team, jesus christ

[Prokorov]

I just want to get a text or alert that says "nets have traded..." sometime this weekend.

that needs to happen and happen soon.

[MrDollarBills]

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So, our best player doesn't believe we're good but Billy King wanted to stand pat because of a fluke win vs Chicago.

our best player thinks we arent good, but fans are blaming the coach for holding us back from being a 4 or 5 seed

Reading the official mouthpiece blog's comment section was good for a laugh. First thing you read is pissing and moaning about Hollins, nevermind the team shooting a dreadful 20% combined from 3

I seriously don't see us winning another game for a long, long time.

[F3LON]

I see everyone placing the blame on everyone except the real reason we are bad.

Hint: IT'S BECAUSE OF MIRZA TELETOVIC

He was fcking awful yet again. His turnovers tonight got the Sixers going. He is SUPPOSE to space the floor but how do you do that when you are only shooting 39.1% FG and 31.8% 3pt? We dont have any other option then to play him big minutes when KG is out and this is the results. The entire time he is in the game Im just hoping we dont completely blow the lead.

And you all turn a blind eye to his pathetic play.

He is the symbol of the Russians meddling with BKs decisions.

That other website was posting articles about him in 2012 before the offseason even started because they knew he was a favorite of the Russian Hierarchy. The so called "Best Player in Europe" he was billed as. We gave him the exception that Gerald Green earned. He came into camp out of shape and somehow gave away the starting PF positon that was virtually guaranteed to him. Instead of playing his way into playing time he had his agent complain through the media and made excuses that he "bulked up" to much as the reason why he came into camp out of shape. Avery was blamed after saying he wasnt an NBA player. Guess what, it's 3 years later and he still isnt. Everyone wants to claim his play last year but is 39% 3pt shooting good for a 3pt shooting specialist? Of course it isnt.

So for those who dont blame the coaches, who all lost their job for NOT playing this guy despite ownership pressuring them to, the other excuse used for his poor play is his confidence. If he was a 20 year old rookie with no professional playing experience then I would understand a player losing their confidence. Not a player with a decade of professional experience who was supposedly the best Europe had to offer. At what age or level of experience does this stop being an excuse?

My favorite excuse for this year is to blame Jarrett Jack for Mirza's poor play. I dont see people doing it here but on other sites people act like if DWill was playing then Mirza would be playing better. They ignore the fact that Mirza has his highest shooting % w Jack on the floor. They dont acknoledge what their eyes tell them, that Mirza takes horrible shots. Early in the shot clock, hand in his face, out of rhythm, it doesnt matter to Mirza, he is going to take a shot when he touches the ball. He has to be the most selfish player on the team because he shoots just about every time he touches the ball. He makes Alan Anderson look conservative in his shot selection.

I wont even get into his poor defense and rebounding because I really shouldnt have to. If you watched last nights game and any of the other games he played in then you should know all of this already. Mirza represents everything that has gone wrong in Brooklyn. Billy King has been forced to take Euro's over American players. It's why we used the Mini-MLE on Euro's the last 3 years (Mirza, AK, Bogs). None of who have worked out. It's why we insisted on Karasev being included in the Jack trade. Dont take this as me being against Euro's either. I was all for AK and I like Karasev long term. But if this was Donald Sterling forcing his GM to draft non-black players it would cause a big stink. I dont see why it's not considered discrimination when the Nets do it. They fired 2 of the last 3 coaches because they didnt play the Euro's. Karasev and Bogs both got the starting spot at SG even though they didnt earn it and are getting beat repeatedly game after game.

I feel bad for Hollins. He has to deal with 2 max players who are lazy an entitled (Lopez, DWill). He doesnt have an option but to play the struggling Euro's because the Russians force BK to clear the roster of any competition for them. This team is a mess and going nowhere until we do what is needed. We need to trade for a starting PF and SG and let Mirza, Bogs and Karasev get their minutes the old fashion way and earn it.

[Paradise]

I see everyone placing the blame on everyone except the real reason we are bad.

Hint: IT'S BECAUSE OF MIRZA TELETOVIC

He was fcking awful yet again. His turnovers tonight got the Sixers going. He is SUPPOSE to space the floor but how do you do that when you are only shooting 39.1% FG and 31.8% 3pt? We dont have any other option then to play him big minutes when KG is out and this is the results. The entire time he is in the game Im just hoping we dont completely blow the lead.

And you all turn a blind eye to his pathetic play.

He is the symbol of the Russians meddling with BKs decisions.

No.

The man responsible for scouting Teletovic and Bogdanovic is Danko Cvjeticanin. He's the International scout and was hired by Billy King in August 2010. Danko was apart of the Sixers regime we inherited by hiring Billy.

[Prokorov]

mirza has been downright awful. but he isnt the reason we are losing, as we have been equally as awful with almost every 5 man unit without him as well.

this sint a problem with 1 guy, its with a myriad of players. mirza, bogs, karasev, lopez, dwill...

right now none of those guys is shooting well or defending well except dwill since he went to the bench but now he is hurt

if we can replace mirza id certainly do it... but unless that guy balls out of his mind we'd still have major issues at SG, backing up joe so he doesnt play 40 minutes, PG, and shooting overall.

lopez and dwill get heat because they are good enough at their peak to overcome multiple players. mirza is a role guy, even if he played at his peak he isnt overcoming 3-4 teamwide issues

[Shook Jones]

The deal with Mirza is that he was signed because we were all but guaranteed to be getting Dwight and they wanted an inside outside game.

The franchise messed up by not building naturally and trying to rush things.

I wouldnt resign Mirza and Bojan can go also. They swore he had a similar game to PP but he seems to not be able to adjust to the speed of the Nba at all. At best he is a lesser Peja Stojakvic to me.

[Prokorov]

The deal with Mirza is that he was signed because we were all but guaranteed to be getting Dwight and they wanted an inside outside game.

The franchise messed up by not building naturally and trying to rush things.

I wouldnt resign Mirza and Bojan can go also. They swore he had a similar game to PP but he seems to not be able to adjust to the speed of the Nba at all. At best he is a lesser Peja Stojakvic to me.

mirza would have been signed either way, he was over 25 and after that you run the risk of never getting him here.

the mirza signing had nothing to do with "rushing things"

the wallace, and joe moves did.

[lkitt0804]

If Dwill is moved for anything more than a sandwich thats a coup. He is a total dog. I saw Klay Thompson get his forehead split open yesterday and come back in the game with 7 stitches. Dwill would have been out for 5 games.

Deron played through a torn wrist and bad ankles. His ability to play through injuries is not the problem. I'm not sure why that's being overstated.

I agree, deron's probablem isnt playing through injury it is that he is constantlly injured.

i have a much bigger problem with dwills effort level then i do his toughness... not sure why that would be called into question (at least his physical toughness, mental is another story)

MDB and you have been two of Deron's harshest critics about his level of effort. Up till mid December before he got hurt MDB has said multiple times that he was not going to get on Deron because he was playing hard. After Deron came back from his calf injury you yourself said his effort was there (especially on the defensive end) but it's just his shot isn't falling. I actually think this year the effort and hustle is there from him. If you want to complain about the < 40% FG percentage I can't argue. Sure he's getting paid about 20 million and he shouldn't be applauded for just effort but I see where people are questioning is effort and saying he's faking injury.

[MGrand15]

I see everyone placing the blame on everyone except the real reason we are bad.

Hint: IT'S BECAUSE OF MIRZA TELETOVIC

He was fcking awful yet again. His turnovers tonight got the Sixers going. He is SUPPOSE to space the floor but how do you do that when you are only shooting 39.1% FG and 31.8% 3pt? We dont have any other option then to play him big minutes when KG is out and this is the results. The entire time he is in the game Im just hoping we dont completely blow the lead.

And you all turn a blind eye to his pathetic play.

He is the symbol of the Russians meddling with BKs decisions.

That other website was posting articles about him in 2012 before the offseason even started because they knew he was a favorite of the Russian Hierarchy. The so called "Best Player in Europe" he was billed as. We gave him the exception that Gerald Green earned. He came into camp out of shape and somehow gave away the starting PF positon that was virtually guaranteed to him. Instead of playing his way into playing time he had his agent complain through the media and made excuses that he "bulked up" to much as the reason why he came into camp out of shape. Avery was blamed after saying he wasnt an NBA player. Guess what, it's 3 years later and he still isnt. Everyone wants to claim his play last year but is 39% 3pt shooting good for a 3pt shooting specialist? Of course it isnt.

So for those who dont blame the coaches, who all lost their job for NOT playing this guy despite ownership pressuring them to, the other excuse used for his poor play is his confidence. If he was a 20 year old rookie with no professional playing experience then I would understand a player losing their confidence. Not a player with a decade of professional experience who was supposedly the best Europe had to offer. At what age or level of experience does this stop being an excuse?

My favorite excuse for this year is to blame Jarrett Jack for Mirza's poor play. I dont see people doing it here but on other sites people act like if DWill was playing then Mirza would be playing better. They ignore the fact that Mirza has his highest shooting % w Jack on the floor. They dont acknoledge what their eyes tell them, that Mirza takes horrible shots. Early in the shot clock, hand in his face, out of rhythm, it doesnt matter to Mirza, he is going to take a shot when he touches the ball. He has to be the most selfish player on the team because he shoots just about every time he touches the ball. He makes Alan Anderson look conservative in his shot selection.

I wont even get into his poor defense and rebounding because I really shouldnt have to. If you watched last nights game and any of the other games he played in then you should know all of this already. Mirza represents everything that has gone wrong in Brooklyn. Billy King has been forced to take Euro's over American players. It's why we used the Mini-MLE on Euro's the last 3 years (Mirza, AK, Bogs). None of who have worked out. It's why we insisted on Karasev being included in the Jack trade. Dont take this as me being against Euro's either. I was all for AK and I like Karasev long term. But if this was Donald Sterling forcing his GM to draft non-black players it would cause a big stink. I dont see why it's not considered discrimination when the Nets do it. They fired 2 of the last 3 coaches because they didnt play the Euro's. Karasev and Bogs both got the starting spot at SG even though they didnt earn it and are getting beat repeatedly game after game.

I feel bad for Hollins. He has to deal with 2 max players who are lazy an entitled (Lopez, DWill). He doesnt have an option but to play the struggling Euro's because the Russians force BK to clear the roster of any competition for them. This team is a mess and going nowhere until we do what is needed. We need to trade for a starting PF and SG and let Mirza, Bogs and Karasev get their minutes the old fashion way and earn it.

Mirza is our backup PF making 3 million a year. Not an all-star. Not an overpaid bench guy. A guy making 3 mil coming off the bench. A key part of our 2nd unit last year. Writing an essay on him is unnecessary. It says a lot more about you than anything. Yes, he's in a horrid shooting slump and him playing better would be extremely helpful but he's not the reason we're losing. He's not even a starter man.

[MGrand15]

I don't get why you guys turn this into a "only one group is to blame" - coaches or players. I think it's clearly both. When you lose to Philly at home - there's more than one problem. I think that much is obvious. Just like our guys need to do a better job of making open shots, Hollins needs to do a better job of getting our guys in positions to succeed. You can use SportVU and check out Player Tracking on NBA.com. We're NOT getting more open shots than the opposing team. It's not happening. So acting like Hollins is squeezing everything he can out of this roster is just untrue. Defensively, he probably is. Offensively? Not even close. To be fair, I think the injury to Deron is being heavily downplayed. Jarrett Jack overachieved a bit but Deron is still our best playmaker by far. Probably our best 3pt shooter at this point. 2 things we're really missing.

[Paradise]

I don't get why you guys turn this into a "only one group is to blame" - coaches or players. I think it's clearly both. When you lose to Philly at home - there's more than one problem. I think that much is obvious. Just like our guys need to do a better job of making open shots, Hollins needs to do a better job of getting our guys in positions to succeed. You can use SportVU and check out Player Tracking on NBA.com. We're NOT getting more open shots than the opposing team. It's not happening. So acting like Hollins is squeezing everything he can out of this roster is just untrue. Defensively, he probably is. Offensively? Not even close. To be fair, I think the injury to Deron is being heavily downplayed. Jarrett Jack overachieved a bit but Deron is still our best playmaker by far. Probably our best 3pt shooter at this point. 2 things we're really missing.

How is it not untrue? The reason why we are bad offensively is there and It's been there since last season.

We need to play small ball in order to space the floor for better shots. We have nobody except Mirza that is capable of playing a stretch four role and Mirza has been horrible.

Lopez/KG can't work due to lack of quickness and Plumlee/Lopez doesn't fit due to poor floor spacing and defense. So what is he supposed to do? These are the same problems that had left us with a 7-14 record under Jason Kidd before Brook broke his foot. It wasn't working then and it's not working now.

And In terms of Deron, he creates 15 points off his assists per game. So, we are clearly missing that but we should've used our Trade Exception to get a NBA caliber Point Guard by now.

So, everyone is responsible but we are seeing problems that Kidd also had here and it took season ending injuries to find the right medium.