Thomas Robinson Claimed On Waivers By 76ers

[Mik317]

What is more valuable? MCW or the Lakers pick? That answer is easy.

MCW is a middle of the pack PG. Middle of the pack PGs are always available.

A triple double threat PG is not always avaliable. The Lakers pick is a gamble that can realistically backfire. So, If Russell or Mudiay aren't upgrades to MCW then what? Another trade?

Put comptent set of talent and proper shooting coaches around the kid and the entire team before trading him for a 50/50 draft pick. Lowry, Dragic, Teague were all late bloomers. The Sixers swear they will find an instant star right away and it doesn't work that way.

I agree with the latter part of your post...however my guess is that the thought process behind the move is that IF MCW never becomes any better ( or doesn't ever add that jumper), what we could get for him would not be the same POTENTIAL value of the Lakers pick. It basically was a deal that would not be on the table if MCW doesn't improve much. I agree that we don't know this yet and it does take players time (especially PGs) but I do understand why it was done..its a one time type offer that doesn't come around too often. It is risky as hell and could easy backire.

I also think another issue with MCW is that his style of play (i.e ball dominant and not a lot of off the ball skills) doesn't mesh with the ideal system with Embiid...so he may have been gone regardless and they simply cashed in on a great deal. I dont like said deal ATM but I do understand why it was done.

[Prokorov]

I agree with the latter part of your post...however my guess is that the thought process behind the move is that IF MCW never becomes any better ( or doesn't ever add that jumper), what we could get for him would not be the same POTENTIAL value of the Lakers pick. It basically was a deal that would not be on the table if MCW doesn't improve much. I agree that we don't know this yet and it does take players time (especially PGs) but I do understand why it was done..its a one time type offer that doesn't come around too often. It is risky as hell and could easy backire.

I also think another issue with MCW is that his style of play (i.e ball dominant and not a lot of off the ball skills) doesn't mesh with the ideal system with Embiid...so he may have been gone regardless and they simply cashed in on a great deal. I dont like said deal ATM but I do understand why it was done.

I guess i dont see the point.... trying to rebuild through the draft is already something that takes 3-5 years even with decent luck. You are just extending that timeline even further by trading your young players before they have a chance to show their true development for a draft pick. you just kind of hit the reset button on a process that is already a lengthy one.

What if the guy you get with the lakers pick isnt promising right away? do you deal him for a pick as well?

lets say all these guys you have pan out reasonably well. you still have a guy coming off injury who has played 0 games, a euro coming from overseas who needs to adjust to the NBA (usually not a quick process, look at mirotic, teletovic, bogdanovic), and then you need to figure out if those 2 bigs and noel all fit together or not, and assuming they do that also takes time. meanwhile you are going on 4 or 5 years of losing during all of this.

I just dont see the logic of getting high draft picks, then trading them for more draft picks. What help do draft picks do to a team full of rookies and developing players? you already have your own lottery picks. why not get an establish veteran(someone who can actually play at a somewhat high level) to show these kids how to play the right way and give an example... someone who has been on winning teams before.

if you traded MCW for a veteran, id understand it a bit. but for antoher draft pick... i just dont get that.

[CalamityX12]

Isn't this MCW 2nd yr? a little early to trade or call it a bust? I know this is not the philly fans decision to move but that of the stupid Philly FO...

is this 2015 draft class heavy in terms of talent? I know a few good prospects but I may be missing more....

[Mik317]

I agree with the latter part of your post...however my guess is that the thought process behind the move is that IF MCW never becomes any better ( or doesn't ever add that jumper), what we could get for him would not be the same POTENTIAL value of the Lakers pick. It basically was a deal that would not be on the table if MCW doesn't improve much. I agree that we don't know this yet and it does take players time (especially PGs) but I do understand why it was done..its a one time type offer that doesn't come around too often. It is risky as hell and could easy backire.

I also think another issue with MCW is that his style of play (i.e ball dominant and not a lot of off the ball skills) doesn't mesh with the ideal system with Embiid...so he may have been gone regardless and they simply cashed in on a great deal. I dont like said deal ATM but I do understand why it was done.

I guess i dont see the point.... trying to rebuild through the draft is already something that takes 3-5 years even with decent luck. You are just extending that timeline even further by trading your young players before they have a chance to show their true development for a draft pick. you just kind of hit the reset button on a process that is already a lengthy one.

What if the guy you get with the lakers pick isnt promising right away? do you deal him for a pick as well?

lets say all these guys you have pan out reasonably well. you still have a guy coming off injury who has played 0 games, a euro coming from overseas who needs to adjust to the NBA (usually not a quick process, look at mirotic, teletovic, bogdanovic), and then you need to figure out if those 2 bigs and noel all fit together or not, and assuming they do that also takes time. meanwhile you are going on 4 or 5 years of losing during all of this.

I just dont see the logic of getting high draft picks, then trading them for more draft picks. What help do draft picks do to a team full of rookies and developing players? you already have your own lottery picks. why not get an establish veteran(someone who can actually play at a somewhat high level) to show these kids how to play the right way and give an example... someone who has been on winning teams before.

if you traded MCW for a veteran, id understand it a bit. but for antoher draft pick... i just dont get that.

Again we have vets. Luc and JRich have been awesome in that sense. Brown also knows his stuff thanks to his years with Pop. I'm not worried about that. We have seemingly done a good job of bringing in kids willing to learn and ones without attitude. I'm not worried about a losing culture setting in. It hasnt happened after the bad runs we had last year or to start this year. I believe in Coach Brown in that regard.

I AM worried about Hinkie's quick trigger finger not allowing things to actually grow...and before the trade you could see those seeds begin to sprout and it was awesome...but then he hit the pause button on that. So I get the other parts of your post. Hinkie gets to next year before I call it quits

[Prokorov]

Again we have vets. Luc and JRich have been awesome in that sense. Brown also knows his stuff thanks to his years with Pop. I'm not worried about that. We have seemingly done a good job of bringing in kids willing to learn and ones without attitude. I'm not worried about a losing culture setting in. It hasnt happened after the bad runs we had last year or to start this year. I believe in Coach Brown in that regard.

those guys are great for keeping kids in line, getting them accustomed to how to be a pro.... but I'm talking about someone who can help the team win games, who is someone who is currently a borderline all-star. someone battle tested in the playoffs. Also, you really dont know if you have a losing culture until you have a team that can win. no one thought brook lopez was infected as a losing player, he seemed liek a hard worker and say the right things, but once we got real talent around him, it was clear he was.

I think the hornets had the right idea with Al Jefferson, get those kids some real vets who produce and maybe even get some playoff experience while you are at it. i cant say i agree with alot of their draft picks or some other moves... but i think when you have tons of young kids, that helps alot.

I AM worried about Hinkie's quick trigger finger not allowing things to actually grow...and before the trade you could see those seeds begin to sprout and it was awesome...but then he hit the pause button on that. So I get the other parts of your post. Hinkie gets to next year before I call it quits

I think he got carried away as well. On paper these deals might be great value, but when you make a trade like that and you are already building from seeds as you put it, you have to factor in how that might add on more time for everything to grow. this is what, year 3 for the sixers being towards the bottom with optomistically another 2-3 before they hit stride?

[MCtripDub]

Isn't this MCW 2nd yr? a little early to trade or call it a bust? I know this is not the philly fans decision to move but that of the stupid Philly FO...

is this 2015 draft class heavy in terms of talent? I know a few good prospects but I may be missing more....

Def too early to call him a bust. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and I bet he's gonna be awesome in Kidd's point guard-centric offense. He's gonna be a stat beast especially since the bucks have a lot of curl plays, easy assists right there. Certainly made knight look like a passing pg for a while. The only thing that worries me about mcw tho is his age. Dude is only a sophomore and is already turning 24 this year. I think that was what sam looked at and given how bad we'll prolly be for about a year or two more, Mcw would be around 26 already, as opposed to let's say mudiay or Russell who'll be 21 by then. Also, old habits die hard and younger players are easier to mold, so there's that too.

[Prokorov]

Isn't this MCW 2nd yr? a little early to trade or call it a bust? I know this is not the philly fans decision to move but that of the stupid Philly FO...

is this 2015 draft class heavy in terms of talent? I know a few good prospects but I may be missing more....

Def too early to call him a bust. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and I bet he's gonna be awesome in Kidd's point guard-centric offense. He's gonna be a stat beast especially since the bucks have a lot of curl plays, easy assists right there. Certainly made knight look like a passing pg for a while. The only thing that worries me about mcw tho is his age. Dude is only a sophomore and is already turning 24 this year. I think that was what sam looked at and given how bad we'll prolly be for about a year or two more, Mcw would be around 26 already, as opposed to let's say mudiay or Russell who'll be 21 by then. Also, old habits die hard and younger players are easier to mold, so there's that too.

26? is that supposed to be old are something? dont you want guys entering prime age or not being kids when your teams is all young players and rookies?

sure in a vacuum you want guys to be young as rookies or 2nd and 3rd year guys. but when you have a ton of rookies and even more on the way i think you want one of those core young pieces to be older.

[Trader_Joe]

I think tomorrow is the deadline for us to sign players that were on a roster earlier this year and still have them be eligible for the post season, correct?

Also, it sounds like Blatche may not play for anyone this year with his mother ill.

So.. guess the D.League will have to be it for prospects.