The state of the franchise

[NyCeEvO]

Fans of other teams are grimacing at the idea that their teams would trade a 12-15 1st round pick for Dragic because his contract only lasts til the end of the season.

Billy King trades the 6th overall pick for a rental Gerald Wallace and defends it as a good move.

That comparison symbolizes the essence of the state of this franchise.

[Pachoo5]

And that 6th pick was Damian Lillard.

[matnautico]

Fans of other teams are grimacing at the idea that their teams would trade a 12-15 1st round pick for Dragic because his contract only lasts til the end of the season.

Billy King trades the 6th overall pick for a rental Gerald Wallace and defends it as a good move.

That comparison symbolizes the essence of the state of this franchise.

And we werent even in the playoff race that season lol he made the deal only for the "privilege" of negotiating and eventualy overpaying for Crash!!!

[MrDollarBills]

The Nets were bidding against themselves for Crash at that, no one wanted any parts of the dude he was clearly done for, why do you think he was stuck to the bench in Portland?

[Trader_Joe]

Fans of other teams are grimacing at the idea that their teams would trade a 12-15 1st round pick for Dragic because his contract only lasts til the end of the season.

Billy King trades the 6th overall pick for a rental Gerald Wallace and defends it as a good move.

That comparison symbolizes the essence of the state of this franchise.

And we werent even in the playoff race that season lol he made the deal only for the "privilege" of negotiating and eventualy overpaying for Crash!!!

Pretty sure at the time of the trade we were about 2 games out of the PO and Brook expected back soon.

[MrDollarBills]

Fans of other teams are grimacing at the idea that their teams would trade a 12-15 1st round pick for Dragic because his contract only lasts til the end of the season.

Billy King trades the 6th overall pick for a rental Gerald Wallace and defends it as a good move.

That comparison symbolizes the essence of the state of this franchise.

And we werent even in the playoff race that season lol he made the deal only for the "privilege" of negotiating and eventualy overpaying for Crash!!!

Pretty sure at the time of the trade we were about 2 games out of the PO and Brook expected back soon.

The Nets were like 15-30 at that time, Deron had a messed up wrist and a **** attitude, and we were starting Shelden Williams at C

[Prokorov]

And that 6th pick was Damian Lillard.

I hate when people say this. since there was a 0% chance we would have drafted lillard.

it is much mroe likely we passed on zellar, or if we didnt get wallace and we lost more that we passed on robinson/MKG/davis. not that any of that makes it better or worse, just that lillard is completely irrelevant to that trade

[Prokorov]

Fans of other teams are grimacing at the idea that their teams would trade a 12-15 1st round pick for Dragic because his contract only lasts til the end of the season.

Billy King trades the 6th overall pick for a rental Gerald Wallace and defends it as a good move.

That comparison symbolizes the essence of the state of this franchise.

And we werent even in the playoff race that season lol he made the deal only for the "privilege" of negotiating and eventualy overpaying for Crash!!!

Pretty sure at the time of the trade we were about 2 games out of the PO and Brook expected back soon.

We were 7-21(even worse of a whole considering it was a shortened 66 game season) at the time of the trade. we were 8 games out of the 8th seed behind philly at the time. we were 11.5 games out of the 7 seed behind the knicks. it wasnt like this year where teams were gonna make it under .500. the worst playoff teams that year were like 5 or 6 games over .500

also, brook lopez was never coming back. he was diagnosed as out for the year mid january.

[Trader_Joe]

And we werent even in the playoff race that season lol he made the deal only for the "privilege" of negotiating and eventualy overpaying for Crash!!!

Pretty sure at the time of the trade we were about 2 games out of the PO and Brook expected back soon.

We were 7-21(even worse of a whole considering it was a shortened 66 game season) at the time of the trade. we were 8 games out of the 8th seed behind philly at the time. we were 11.5 games out of the 7 seed behind the knicks. it wasnt like this year where teams were gonna make it under .500. the worst playoff teams that year were like 5 or 6 games over .500

also, brook lopez was never coming back. he was diagnosed as out for the year mid january.

Wrong on both counts...

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... il-blazers

The Nets (15-29) are 4½ games out of the eighth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.

Lopez is out with a sprained right ankle, and King said the team would provide an update on his status on March 23.

The trade was March 16th.

And no, before you put words in my mouth, I'm not defending the trade but pointing out some inaccuracies in someone else's statement and now yours.

[Prokorov]

Pretty sure at the time of the trade we were about 2 games out of the PO and Brook expected back soon.

We were 7-21(even worse of a whole considering it was a shortened 66 game season) at the time of the trade. we were 8 games out of the 8th seed behind philly at the time. we were 11.5 games out of the 7 seed behind the knicks. it wasnt like this year where teams were gonna make it under .500. the worst playoff teams that year were like 5 or 6 games over .500

also, brook lopez was never coming back. he was diagnosed as out for the year mid january.

Wrong on both counts...

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... il-blazers

The Nets (15-29) are 4½ games out of the eighth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.

Lopez is out with a sprained right ankle, and King said the team would provide an update on his status on March 23.

The trade was March 16th.

And no, before you put words in my mouth, I'm not defending the trade but pointing out some inaccuracies in someone else's statement and now yours.

right, the trade deadline was pushed back due to the shortened season. my error.

i dont recall lopez playing at all in february though. unless the team was still hiding the injury.

4.5 out with 21 games to go, i guess thats feasible to make a push. although at the time i didnt seem realistic, with everyone being hurt.

4.5 out at 15-29 seems really odd though, considering how far ahead teams where in february and how far ahead teams finished.

[matnautico]

Pretty sure at the time of the trade we were about 2 games out of the PO and Brook expected back soon.

We were 7-21(even worse of a whole considering it was a shortened 66 game season) at the time of the trade. we were 8 games out of the 8th seed behind philly at the time. we were 11.5 games out of the 7 seed behind the knicks. it wasnt like this year where teams were gonna make it under .500. the worst playoff teams that year were like 5 or 6 games over .500

also, brook lopez was never coming back. he was diagnosed as out for the year mid january.

Wrong on both counts...

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... il-blazers

The Nets (15-29) are 4½ games out of the eighth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.

Lopez is out with a sprained right ankle, and King said the team would provide an update on his status on March 23.

The trade was March 16th.

And no, before you put words in my mouth, I'm not defending the trade but pointing out some inaccuracies in someone else's statement and now yours.

The trade was actually on March 15th, that day we were 5,5 GB Milwaukee for the 8th seed, so it's at least very debatable wether or not we were in the race, and its not like being the 8th is any good anyway... So I cant see how my statement was "innacurate"

[Pachoo5]

And that 6th pick was Damian Lillard.

I hate when people say this. since there was a 0% chance we would have drafted lillard.

it is much mroe likely we passed on zellar, or if we didnt get wallace and we lost more that we passed on robinson/MKG/davis. not that any of that makes it better or worse, just that lillard is completely irrelevant to that trade

No, that is just more of an indicement on the Nets inability to identify talent if they would have pass Lillard up at pick six when the Trailblazers didn't. The Trailblazers were smart enought to draft Lillard there. If the Nets wouldn't have, that is just further evidence that Billy King has no idea what he is doing.

From all reports, King would have taken T Robinson if he had kept that pick, over Lillard, which is just another piece of evidence that King is a crappy GM.

I know that Robinson was taken one pick before Lillard, but the point is that if both were available King was taking Robinson without a doubt while the Trailblazers had figured out Lillard was their guy fairly early on. Why were the Trailblazers able to identify the better player when King couldn't'?

[Paradise]

And that 6th pick was Damian Lillard.

I hate when people say this. since there was a 0% chance we would have drafted lillard.

it is much mroe likely we passed on zellar, or if we didnt get wallace and we lost more that we passed on robinson/MKG/davis. not that any of that makes it better or worse, just that lillard is completely irrelevant to that trade

No, that is just more of an indicement on the Nets inability to identify talent if they would have pass Lillard up at pick six when the Trailblazers didn't. The Trailblazers were smart enought to draft Lillard there. If the Nets wouldn't have, that is just further evidence that Billy King has no idea what he is doing.

From all reports, King would have taken T Robinson if he had kept that pick, over Lillard, which is just another piece of evidence that King is a crappy GM.

I know that Robinson was taken one pick before Lillard, but the point is that if both were available King was taking Robinson without a doubt while the Trailblazers had figured out Lillard was their guy fairly early on. Why were the Trailblazers able to identify the better player when King couldn't'?

I'm not defending King here but why would we take Lillard when Deron was already a Net? The PG position was solidified. King essentially dropped the ball with Barnes and Drummond. Both were in the conversation to go Top 7 in the mocks.

[Prokorov]

No, that is just more of an indicement on the Nets inability to identify talent if they would have pass Lillard up at pick six when the Trailblazers didn't. The Trailblazers were smart enought to draft Lillard there. If the Nets wouldn't have, that is just further evidence that Billy King has no idea what he is doing.

You dont draft a PG with the #6 pick after you just maxed out a 28 year old deron williams and have a reliable backup in watson. not when you have glaring holes at SF and PF and there are plenty of high ceiling prospects at that position. harrison barnes was probably the logical pick had the nets still owned it. robinson if there would have been a smarter pick as well.

I know that Robinson was taken one pick before Lillard, but the point is that if both were available King was taking Robinson without a doubt while the Trailblazers had figured out Lillard was their guy fairly early on. Why were the Trailblazers able to identify the better player when King couldn't'?

no GM in the NBA would have taken lillard if they had a 28 year old Dwill just signed to a max deal and coming off an all-star season. not 1 of them.

[MrDollarBills]

There was no way that we were picking Lilliard.

Now if you want to condemn King for openly stating that he was eyeing Zeller instead of Barnes or Drummond, by all means....he should be embarrassed to even admit that.

[HeartBreakKid]

The Nets were not taking Lillard, and probably were not going to take Drummond (they had Lopez, and people in general were not high on Drummond come draft time). Those guys are really the only big time players that were left at that spot (in hindsight).

Best case scenario (that is realistic) is that the Nets take Harrison Barnes. I mean is way better than the rental of old Gerald Wallace, but it's a little melodramatic to cite Damian Lillard being the 6th pick when the Nets were not going to take him. It does highlight that the 6th pick is pretty damn valuable, I mean that's really high in the draft, and it was just handed to the Blazers.


I also disagree with the person who is dogging King for having Robinson over Lillard. I had Robinson over Lillard on my mocks too, and really most people did. Robinson ended up being a bust, but I wouldn't dog someone for taking a NBA ready big over a senior point guard.

[kerry kittles]

The Nets were not taking Lillard, and probably were not going to take Drummond (they had Lopez, and people in general were not high on Drummond come draft time). Those guys are really the only big time players that were left at that spot (in hindsight).

Best case scenario (that is realistic) is that the Nets take Harrison Barnes. I mean is way better than the rental of old Gerald Wallace, but it's a little melodramatic to cite Damian Lillard being the 6th pick when the Nets were not going to take him. It does highlight that the 6th pick is pretty damn valuable, I mean that's really high in the draft, and it was just handed to the Blazers.


I also disagree with the person who is dogging King for having Robinson over Lillard. I had Robinson over Lillard on my mocks too, and really most people did. Robinson ended up being a bust, but I wouldn't dog someone for taking a NBA ready big over a senior point guard.

Harrison Barnes would've been the logical pick. Barnes started his rookie year and put up the same numbers as Gerald Wallace on the 1st year of a 4 year/$40 million deal while being 10 years younger. He's been better than Wallace every year since and will continue to be better, while making a third of what Wallace does.

He's shooting the 3 ball at 43%. We are a bottom 5 3 point shooting team and he shoots it better than Joe our best 3 point shooter, 37%.

We've become enamored with our 2nd round picks: Brown and Jefferson because of their althecism. Barnes is every bit as athletic and the far better player.

He's exactly what this team needs: an athlete on the wing, that shoot the 3 ball, and defend.