Nets/GS PG: Jarrett Jesus Does It Again!

[MGrand15]

Lol Reggie is not better than Deron. He simply was a long term option considering Deron's health. Deron is still very good when he plays well. It's a fact.

lol who isnt good when they play well?

the problem with dwill is him playing well isnt something that happens regularly. not sure how THIS YEAR you can say dwill is better then reggie.

I'm not saying Jackson is some star, but he is better... Deron williams is scoring 13 points a game on 39% FG and 50TS%. he has been pretty putrid.

Reggie is also putting up a 50% TS and doing it without the passing/running offense that Deron brings to the table. Reggie's been AWFUL this year.

[MGrand15]

Did you see the 3 that Curry hit over Thad on a step back? Thad couldnt have played it any better. Expecting both Klay and Curry to be held down is naive.

Im rewatching the 4th now and Jack was playing great when it was him and Markel. He had 2 assists to Young for 3 and a secondary assist (hockey assist) passing it to Brown who then quickly found Plumlee. All 3 shots were created by Jacks dribble penetration.

Jack also just hit Plumlee and Brown on dimes going to the basket. Plumlee turned it over and Brown blew an easy layup. After Brown missed the layup hollins took him out

Look, I can't tell whether you intend to be a "normal" member of the community or whether you just want to troll. I''m just gonna say - it's okay to admit some of Jack's faults. No one in here is saying Jack is useless and that he contributes nothing. You don't need to cheer lead and play up his positive plays and completely ignore his negative ones. He's a tough scorer who can occasionally make plays for others. That's valuable. With that said, he's a bad defender, doesn't really involve other plays and can't space the floor.

It's abundantly clear that you mentioned the Thad Young play because that was the only contested shot that Curry took. Every other shot was directly Jack's fault. He didn't make Curry work AT ALL. If you're guarding Curry, you can't let yourself be hammered by screens like that. That's called bad defense. You need to take the proper angles to avoid being demolished by a screen.

If he makes a shot like the Young one - you tip your hat. He's an MVP type guy. Every other shot though? Those were wide open.

When you have an agenda and you only talk about one side of the story - you turn into a character and a troll instead of an actual member of the community. No one's going to crucify you for accepting two sides of an argument but disagreeing. Just letting you know in case you actually care.

You obviously were watching a different game.

Two of Curry's 3s came in transition. One was off of that moving screen where Curry shot it from the B in the Barclays. The other was off of DWill's TO.

The 2 pointer Curry hit off the screen to tie the game was a hold by Bogut. He clearly grabbed Jack's jersey. If you want to bring up Jack's defensive breakdowns it was when he gave up two layups to Curry earlier in the quarter. Once off the dribble, the other on the give and go with Green.

I brought up Thad contending that shot because it didnt matter who was guarding Steph, he was in the zone. Thad is 6'7" with a 7 foot wingspan and Steph shot right over him. Do you somehow think Brown would have made a difference on that shot?

My agenda? Jack was 4-7 FG (3-4 in the 4th) He had over twice as many Assists to turnovers (5 AST/2 TOs) and hit a game winning shot vs the best team in the NBA. You think you dont sound stupid because you also expect him to hold an MVP level player down in the 4th quarter of a close game. Do you want him to cure cancer also?

You are mad that despite playing well for 3 quarters, DWill fell apart in the clutch yet again. He had 2 TOs in the final 3 minutes and should have had a 3rd but it was overturned by replay. That's not agenda buddy, that's what happened. DEAL WITH IT. Go F yourself if you dont like what I have to say. Im not trolling, Im giving my opinion on a public forum. You dont speak for anyone else but yourself and you dont get to decide who's "normal" and who is a "troll".

You have issues dude. Don't bother responding, you're going on ignore.

[Paradise]

Lol Reggie is not better than Deron. He simply was a long term option considering Deron's health. Deron is still very good when he plays well. It's a fact.

lol who isnt good when they play well?

the problem with dwill is him playing well isnt something that happens regularly. not sure how THIS YEAR you can say dwill is better then reggie.

I'm not saying Jackson is some star, but he is better... Deron williams is scoring 13 points a game on 39% FG and 50TS%. he has been pretty putrid.

Pre-All Star Break:

Deron: 39% FG / 36% 3pt / 50.8 TS% / 102.7 OffRTG / Points Created Per Assists: 14.3
Jackson: 43% FG / 27% 3pt / 51.1 TS% / 102.9 OffRTG / Points Created Per Assists: 9.3

Post-All Star Break:

Deron: 42% FG / 34.8% 3pt / 50.3 TS% / 107.3 OffRTG
Jackson: 33% FG/ 23% 3pt / 42.3 TS% / 97.7 OffRTG


Both aren't setting the world on fire but I'd take take Deron over him. Jackson has also been labeled a massive locker room cancer. I was a big supporter of getting Jackson for obvious reasons but we would be 0-6 with him right now leading this team.

[F3LON]

Lol Reggie is not better than Deron. He simply was a long term option considering Deron's health. Deron is still very good when he plays well. It's a fact.

lol who isnt good when they play well?

the problem with dwill is him playing well isnt something that happens regularly. not sure how THIS YEAR you can say dwill is better then reggie.

I'm not saying Jackson is some star, but he is better... Deron williams is scoring 13 points a game on 39% FG and 50TS%. he has been pretty putrid.

Pre-All Star Break:

Deron: 39% FG / 36% 3pt / 50.8 TS% / 102.7 OffRTG / Points Created Per Assists: 14.3
Jackson: 43% FG / 27% 3pt / 51.1 TS% / 102.9 OffRTG / Points Created Per Assists: 9.3

Post-All Star Break:

Deron: 42% FG / 34.8% 3pt / 50.3 TS% / 107.3 OffRTG
Jackson: 33% FG/ 23% 3pt / 42.3 TS% / 97.7 OffRTG


Both aren't setting the world on fire but I'd take take Deron over him. Jackson has also been labeled a massive locker room cancer. I was a big supporter of getting Jackson for obvious reasons but we would be 0-6 with him right now leading this team.

Jack > DWill >>>>>>>>>>>> Reggie Jackson

IDK why anyone would want him. He's a marginal NBA PG looking to get paid. I dont think I would watch the Nets anymore if they signed him to a max deal

[F3LON]

Look, I can't tell whether you intend to be a "normal" member of the community or whether you just want to troll. I''m just gonna say - it's okay to admit some of Jack's faults. No one in here is saying Jack is useless and that he contributes nothing. You don't need to cheer lead and play up his positive plays and completely ignore his negative ones. He's a tough scorer who can occasionally make plays for others. That's valuable. With that said, he's a bad defender, doesn't really involve other plays and can't space the floor.

It's abundantly clear that you mentioned the Thad Young play because that was the only contested shot that Curry took. Every other shot was directly Jack's fault. He didn't make Curry work AT ALL. If you're guarding Curry, you can't let yourself be hammered by screens like that. That's called bad defense. You need to take the proper angles to avoid being demolished by a screen.

If he makes a shot like the Young one - you tip your hat. He's an MVP type guy. Every other shot though? Those were wide open.

When you have an agenda and you only talk about one side of the story - you turn into a character and a troll instead of an actual member of the community. No one's going to crucify you for accepting two sides of an argument but disagreeing. Just letting you know in case you actually care.

You obviously were watching a different game.

Two of Curry's 3s came in transition. One was off of that moving screen where Curry shot it from the B in the Barclays. The other was off of DWill's TO.

The 2 pointer Curry hit off the screen to tie the game was a hold by Bogut. He clearly grabbed Jack's jersey. If you want to bring up Jack's defensive breakdowns it was when he gave up two layups to Curry earlier in the quarter. Once off the dribble, the other on the give and go with Green.

I brought up Thad contending that shot because it didnt matter who was guarding Steph, he was in the zone. Thad is 6'7" with a 7 foot wingspan and Steph shot right over him. Do you somehow think Brown would have made a difference on that shot?

My agenda? Jack was 4-7 FG (3-4 in the 4th) He had over twice as many Assists to turnovers (5 AST/2 TOs) and hit a game winning shot vs the best team in the NBA. You think you dont sound stupid because you also expect him to hold an MVP level player down in the 4th quarter of a close game. Do you want him to cure cancer also?

You are mad that despite playing well for 3 quarters, DWill fell apart in the clutch yet again. He had 2 TOs in the final 3 minutes and should have had a 3rd but it was overturned by replay. That's not agenda buddy, that's what happened. DEAL WITH IT. Go F yourself if you dont like what I have to say. Im not trolling, Im giving my opinion on a public forum. You dont speak for anyone else but yourself and you dont get to decide who's "normal" and who is a "troll".

You have issues dude. Don't bother responding, you're going on ignore.

Yeah I have an issue with you calling me a troll and insinuating that I am abnormal. You want to talk basketball then fine, when you insult me I will come at you the same.

[DarkXaero]

As happy as I've been with Thad Young's play as a Net so far, it's important to remind ourselves that he's playing at an unsustainable level right now. He has a PER of 24.7 and a TS% of ~64% so far as a Net. There's going to be a significant drop off at some point, and I just want people to be aware of that.

[F3LON]

As happy as I've been with Thad Young's play as a Net so far, it's important to remind ourselves that he's playing at an unsustainable level right now. He has a PER of 24.7 and a TS% of ~64% so far as a Net. There's going to be a significant drop off at some point, and I just want people to be aware of that.

He surely will regress but I think he can be:

17 Pts / 36 min
7.5 Reb / 36 min
2.5 Ast / 36 min
2.0 Stl / 36 min
35% 3pt
47% FG
70% FT
54% TS

That's a highly productive player.

[Prokorov]

Reggie is also putting up a 50% TS and doing it without the passing/running offense that Deron brings to the table. Reggie's been AWFUL this year.

what running passing offense? Reggies has more apg, higher asst rate, and his team has played at a higher pace when he is on the floor as compared to williams.

reggie hasnt been awful, he has been below average. dwill has been closer to awful then reggie has. and reggie also brings things like toughness, defense, athleticism, and he doesnt shrink like dwill does.

[Prokorov]

Lol Reggie is not better than Deron. He simply was a long term option considering Deron's health. Deron is still very good when he plays well. It's a fact.

lol who isnt good when they play well?

the problem with dwill is him playing well isnt something that happens regularly. not sure how THIS YEAR you can say dwill is better then reggie.

I'm not saying Jackson is some star, but he is better... Deron williams is scoring 13 points a game on 39% FG and 50TS%. he has been pretty putrid.

Pre-All Star Break:

Deron: 39% FG / 36% 3pt / 50.8 TS% / 102.7 OffRTG / Points Created Per Assists: 14.3
Jackson: 43% FG / 27% 3pt / 51.1 TS% / 102.9 OffRTG / Points Created Per Assists: 9.3

Post-All Star Break:

Deron: 42% FG / 34.8% 3pt / 50.3 TS% / 107.3 OffRTG
Jackson: 33% FG/ 23% 3pt / 42.3 TS% / 97.7 OffRTG


Both aren't setting the world on fire but I'd take take Deron over him. Jackson has also been labeled a massive locker room cancer. I was a big supporter of getting Jackson for obvious reasons but we would be 0-6 with him right now leading this team.

posting post all star break numbers for 5 games is irrelevant and misleading, especially when one guy changed teams.

to say we would be 0-6 with reggie is idiotic. we might be 5-1 or 6-0. you dont know how he would fit in. Cancer? he never got into off court trouble and his only complaint was role as he was stuck behind a superstar. same could have been said for drazen petrovic. Deron hasnt exactly been a model of a team guy himself constantly showing up out of shape, being a diva and sulking

if you want dwill over jackson thats one thing... but to say jackson hasnt been as good or better is just inaccurate.

plus, we would have BOTH on the roster if we made the deal

[Prokorov]

As happy as I've been with Thad Young's play as a Net so far, it's important to remind ourselves that he's playing at an unsustainable level right now. He has a PER of 24.7 and a TS% of ~64% so far as a Net. There's going to be a significant drop off at some point, and I just want people to be aware of that.

which is exactly why i dont want to ramp up his minutes. i think he can sustain a similar level of play in his role with the minutes he is given. as a starter with 35 minutes i think you see him go back to having ugly stat lines. his role now he just plays hard and takes what is there and goes heavy vs second units

[jeff1624]

Not surprising to see Jackson struggling as a starter. I just don't think he's that good and he does nothing remarkably well. He's best served as a 6th man, but he thinks he's better than that which will be his downfall. The only reason I really wanted the trade to go through was because we as a team need to accumulate as many assets as we can. The whole "make Jackson the face of the franchise" part of the deal made me cringe.

[lkitt0804]

lol who isnt good when they play well?

the problem with dwill is him playing well isnt something that happens regularly. not sure how THIS YEAR you can say dwill is better then reggie.

I'm not saying Jackson is some star, but he is better... Deron williams is scoring 13 points a game on 39% FG and 50TS%. he has been pretty putrid.

Pre-All Star Break:

Deron: 39% FG / 36% 3pt / 50.8 TS% / 102.7 OffRTG / Points Created Per Assists: 14.3
Jackson: 43% FG / 27% 3pt / 51.1 TS% / 102.9 OffRTG / Points Created Per Assists: 9.3

Post-All Star Break:

Deron: 42% FG / 34.8% 3pt / 50.3 TS% / 107.3 OffRTG
Jackson: 33% FG/ 23% 3pt / 42.3 TS% / 97.7 OffRTG


Both aren't setting the world on fire but I'd take take Deron over him. Jackson has also been labeled a massive locker room cancer. I was a big supporter of getting Jackson for obvious reasons but we would be 0-6 with him right now leading this team.

posting post all star break numbers for 5 games is irrelevant and misleading, especially when one guy changed teams.

to say we would be 0-6 with reggie is idiotic. we might be 5-1 or 6-0. you dont know how he would fit in. Cancer? he never got into off court trouble and his only complaint was role as he was stuck behind a superstar. same could have been said for drazen petrovic. Deron hasnt exactly been a model of a team guy himself constantly showing up out of shape, being a diva and sulking

if you want dwill over jackson thats one thing... but to say jackson hasnt been as good or better is just inaccurate.

plus, we would have BOTH on the roster if we made the deal

I've seen reports that OKC players wouldn't pass him the ball because they wouldn't get it back. That's not a good sign when you're the PG and your team mates won't pass you the ball.







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[MrDollarBills]

Yeah, that usually means that he's an ass hole.

[SpeedyG]

As happy as I've been with Thad Young's play as a Net so far, it's important to remind ourselves that he's playing at an unsustainable level right now. He has a PER of 24.7 and a TS% of ~64% so far as a Net. There's going to be a significant drop off at some point, and I just want people to be aware of that.

which is exactly why i dont want to ramp up his minutes. i think he can sustain a similar level of play in his role with the minutes he is given. as a starter with 35 minutes i think you see him go back to having ugly stat lines. his role now he just plays hard and takes what is there and goes heavy vs second units

I think the efficiency will come down. He's shooting what? over 50% from downtown? I don't think that's sustainable. But the other things he brings to the table is sustainable, IMO. I do agree I wouldn't want him playing 32+ minutes. 28 to 30 is his ceiling, IMO.

Speaking of which, Alan Anderson is shooting over 50% from downtown as well. Obviously, Deron is hitting at a high clip from three as well. Once these three players cool down (and its inevitable that they will), I think we'll see our offense dip again. Just gotta hope they don't all get in a slump at the same time.