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Re: pre season game thread 

Post#181 » by Net Sentence » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:19 am

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Net Sentence wrote:Most people are overly concerned with the front court issues but I see SG as the biggest question mark going into the season.

Bogs isnt comfortable playing there.

Ellington should not play more then 10-14 minutes a night IMO and is better suited to come off the bench.

The best bet might be to start Markel again. Jack is going to handle the ball most of the time in the back court and Markel just has to make spot up shots. His defense and rebounding is the best asset we have at the position.

I also think a Sloan/Jack back court is something we should consider. Sloan is the best true PG on the team. He had a 3:1 Assist to TO ratio last year and can help balance Jack when he is loose with the ball. I much prefer Sloan to Larkin.

Harper needs to make the team at this point over Reed. Reed isnt the type of guy worth waiting around for to get healthy. T-Rob has proven to be a more then capable backup center so far. Bargs might be listed as the backup center but to me he is the backup 4. It would be wise to keep Harper as insurance for Bargs being on the IR for any given period.

Thad Young has looked great so far this preseason and looks like a bargain. Ive compared him to Millsap a number of times and you can see the similarities in their games. He has been rebounding at a much higher rate during the preseason and he has 2 or more steals in 3 out of 5 of the games.

RHJ might need to be brought along slowly. I could see him getting the Markel treatment for the 1st 2 months. If I were the Nets I would feature Joe Johnson early in the season and let RHJ learn from the bench. This way we can build Joe's trade value and trade him at the deadline.

Here is how I would start the season. Cut Reed for Harper and DNP-CD RHJ for the first month or so. Have Sloan be the first guard off the bench.

Lopez - TRob
Young - Bargs - Harper - McCullough
Johnson - Bogs - RHJ
Markel - Ellington - Karasev
Jack - Sloan - Larkin


We don't have a legit PnR center with Plumlee gone and Reed is one. He's not going anywhere. Also, we aren't playing for anything but pride this season. So, bringing RHJ along slowly would make our season more pointless than it already is. Sloan and Jack are inefficient scorers and shooters. I'd rather see more size lineups with more effective shooters like Wayne and Joe than Sloan/Larkin and Jack...Although, I'm sure Hollins will do it anyways

But I agree, we have the biggest weakness with the SG/PG positions. At this point, we have no real answers for it until we hit the off-season. We need to get the get the most out of our frontcourt. I'm glad T-Rob is looking like a real keeper but we need alot more to keep Thad and Brook away from heavy usage because everyone else looks absolutely awful right now and even at their best, it will be below average production.


I couldnt disagree more with you. Plumlee was a good PnR option because he could stretch an offense vertically with his ability to catch an oop. Reed isnt doing that and he cant pick and pop. He has no value on offense other then offensive rebounding. He is set to miss 1/3 of the season baring any setbacks. Hell by that point McCoullogh will be close to returning and if we arent playing for anything,like you said, then playing C-Mc would make more sense by your rationale no?

We can afford to lose Reed. Ideally, he wouldnt play much when healthy anyway since Lopez needs to get most of the minutes at center. What we cant afford is to lose Bargnani. We desperately need a big to stretch the floor with our subpar shooting guards. When you consider Bargs injury history, Harper is a must add to our roster to insure we maintain that aspect of our offense.

The numbers dont back what you are saying. People are in for a big let down from Ellington. I dont know if you know this but Ellington is one of the few players in the NBA who shoots better off the dribble then spotting up.

Ellington's stats as a catch and shoot shooter
36.2% on 2.8 FGA per game

Ellington's stats as a pull up shooter off the dribble
39.2% on 4.4 FGA per game

Ellington takes twice as many shots off the dribble then he does in the traditional catch and shoot manner. He isnt a guy who just grips it and rips it. He needs to take a rhythm dribble which gives the defense a chance to recover.

Jack's stats as a pull up shooter off the dribble
39.9% on 5.4 FGA per game

Everyone wants to throw shade at Jack but he is good at what he does. If we have to chose between two guys taking shots off the dribble then I will take the guy with the higher average on higher volume every time. When you look at Joe's numbers the situation gets even bleaker.

Joe's stats as a catch and shoot shooter
38.1% on 3.7 FGA per game

Joe's stats as a pull up shooter off the dribble
39.1% on 4.5 FGA per game

Joe at least mixes up his shot attempts but he didnt do either well. We are going down in flames if you want to see Wayne and Joe shoot. This brings me back to the original point of how important it will be to insure we dont lose shooting from the front court if Bargs goes down.

Bargs stats as a catch and shoot shooter
46.4% on 6.3 FGA per game

Bargs stats as a pull up shooter off the dribble
44.4% on 1.6 FGA per game

We desperately need Harper who has shown the ability to mimic this aspect of Bargs game.
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Re: pre season game thread 

Post#182 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:14 pm

Bojan and Joe need to split their minutes. I'd rather see Bojan's activity because at this point Joe isn't an isolation player (neither is Bojan) but Bojan moves without the ball and honestly needs to get his confidence going.

the perimeter situation is a complete mess. None of the PGs are above average, and SG/SF is looking like D/F Tier. I would be stunned if Johnson averages above single digits this season.

If Bojan doesn't step up and become a reliable scoring option this team is going to get **** ed in the street. Brook and Thad are the only two guys right now that I have complete faith in to show up.
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Re: pre season game thread 

Post#183 » by jbeachboy » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:49 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Bojan and Joe need to split their minutes. I'd rather see Bojan's activity because at this point Joe isn't an isolation player (neither is Bojan) but Bojan moves without the ball and honestly needs to get his confidence going.

the perimeter situation is a complete mess. None of the PGs are above average, and SG/SF is looking like D/F Tier. I would be stunned if Johnson averages above single digits this season.

If Bojan doesn't step up and become a reliable scoring option this team is going to get **** ed in the street. Brook and Thad are the only two guys right now that I have complete faith in to show up.


that's why they need to keep sloan , for insurance for pg and sg
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Re: pre season game thread 

Post#184 » by Prokorov » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:12 pm

Net Sentence wrote:
Paradise wrote:
Net Sentence wrote:Most people are overly concerned with the front court issues but I see SG as the biggest question mark going into the season.

Bogs isnt comfortable playing there.

Ellington should not play more then 10-14 minutes a night IMO and is better suited to come off the bench.

The best bet might be to start Markel again. Jack is going to handle the ball most of the time in the back court and Markel just has to make spot up shots. His defense and rebounding is the best asset we have at the position.

I also think a Sloan/Jack back court is something we should consider. Sloan is the best true PG on the team. He had a 3:1 Assist to TO ratio last year and can help balance Jack when he is loose with the ball. I much prefer Sloan to Larkin.

Harper needs to make the team at this point over Reed. Reed isnt the type of guy worth waiting around for to get healthy. T-Rob has proven to be a more then capable backup center so far. Bargs might be listed as the backup center but to me he is the backup 4. It would be wise to keep Harper as insurance for Bargs being on the IR for any given period.

Thad Young has looked great so far this preseason and looks like a bargain. Ive compared him to Millsap a number of times and you can see the similarities in their games. He has been rebounding at a much higher rate during the preseason and he has 2 or more steals in 3 out of 5 of the games.

RHJ might need to be brought along slowly. I could see him getting the Markel treatment for the 1st 2 months. If I were the Nets I would feature Joe Johnson early in the season and let RHJ learn from the bench. This way we can build Joe's trade value and trade him at the deadline.

Here is how I would start the season. Cut Reed for Harper and DNP-CD RHJ for the first month or so. Have Sloan be the first guard off the bench.

Lopez - TRob
Young - Bargs - Harper - McCullough
Johnson - Bogs - RHJ
Markel - Ellington - Karasev
Jack - Sloan - Larkin


We don't have a legit PnR center with Plumlee gone and Reed is one. He's not going anywhere. Also, we aren't playing for anything but pride this season. So, bringing RHJ along slowly would make our season more pointless than it already is. Sloan and Jack are inefficient scorers and shooters. I'd rather see more size lineups with more effective shooters like Wayne and Joe than Sloan/Larkin and Jack...Although, I'm sure Hollins will do it anyways

But I agree, we have the biggest weakness with the SG/PG positions. At this point, we have no real answers for it until we hit the off-season. We need to get the get the most out of our frontcourt. I'm glad T-Rob is looking like a real keeper but we need alot more to keep Thad and Brook away from heavy usage because everyone else looks absolutely awful right now and even at their best, it will be below average production.


I couldnt disagree more with you. Plumlee was a good PnR option because he could stretch an offense vertically with his ability to catch an oop. Reed isnt doing that and he cant pick and pop. He has no value on offense other then offensive rebounding. He is set to miss 1/3 of the season baring any setbacks. Hell by that point McCoullogh will be close to returning and if we arent playing for anything,like you said, then playing C-Mc would make more sense by your rationale no?

We can afford to lose Reed. Ideally, he wouldnt play much when healthy anyway since Lopez needs to get most of the minutes at center. What we cant afford is to lose Bargnani. We desperately need a big to stretch the floor with our subpar shooting guards. When you consider Bargs injury history, Harper is a must add to our roster to insure we maintain that aspect of our offense.

The numbers dont back what you are saying. People are in for a big let down from Ellington. I dont know if you know this but Ellington is one of the few players in the NBA who shoots better off the dribble then spotting up.

Ellington's stats as a catch and shoot shooter
36.2% on 2.8 FGA per game

Ellington's stats as a pull up shooter off the dribble
39.2% on 4.4 FGA per game

Ellington takes twice as many shots off the dribble then he does in the traditional catch and shoot manner. He isnt a guy who just grips it and rips it. He needs to take a rhythm dribble which gives the defense a chance to recover.

Jack's stats as a pull up shooter off the dribble
39.9% on 5.4 FGA per game

Everyone wants to throw shade at Jack but he is good at what he does. If we have to chose between two guys taking shots off the dribble then I will take the guy with the higher average on higher volume every time. When you look at Joe's numbers the situation gets even bleaker.

Joe's stats as a catch and shoot shooter
38.1% on 3.7 FGA per game

Joe's stats as a pull up shooter off the dribble
39.1% on 4.5 FGA per game

Joe at least mixes up his shot attempts but he didnt do either well. We are going down in flames if you want to see Wayne and Joe shoot. This brings me back to the original point of how important it will be to insure we dont lose shooting from the front court if Bargs goes down.

Bargs stats as a catch and shoot shooter
46.4% on 6.3 FGA per game

Bargs stats as a pull up shooter off the dribble
44.4% on 1.6 FGA per game

We desperately need Harper who has shown the ability to mimic this aspect of Bargs game.


the raw percentages here dont really help much. most of jacks pull ups are 2 pointers. while joe and ellington take and make significantly mroe threes. their TS% in those situations would be much more telling.

as far as bargs, what he shoots is irrelevant since he will be a negative every minute he is on the floor and teams will outscore us when he is in. he should never play, and frankly, shouldnt be on the roster
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Re: pre season game thread 

Post#185 » by Prokorov » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:15 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Bojan and Joe need to split their minutes. I'd rather see Bojan's activity because at this point Joe isn't an isolation player (neither is Bojan) but Bojan moves without the ball and honestly needs to get his confidence going.

the perimeter situation is a complete mess. None of the PGs are above average, and SG/SF is looking like D/F Tier. I would be stunned if Johnson averages above single digits this season.

If Bojan doesn't step up and become a reliable scoring option this team is going to get **** ed in the street. Brook and Thad are the only two guys right now that I have complete faith in to show up.


which says alot, since brook and thad have both been really inconsistent players throughout their career.

we need somebody to step up at gaurd. and we really need to make a trade, even if its a minor one to get some guys who fit some of the pieces we have. our players dont really fit well.
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Re: pre season game thread 

Post#186 » by Net Sentence » Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:11 pm

Jimmer was just waived. I wouldnt mind kicking the tires on him just to have 3pt shooting from our backcourt.
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Re: pre season game thread 

Post#187 » by jbeachboy » Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:31 pm

Net Sentence wrote:Jimmer was just waived. I wouldnt mind kicking the tires on him just to have 3pt shooting from our backcourt.


no roster spots for him, ellington, bogs, and brown is getting back now
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Re: pre season game thread 

Post#188 » by jbeachboy » Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:23 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:So What are we looking at:

PG - Jack/Larkin/Sloan
SG - Ellington/Bogs/Brown
SF - JJ/RHJ/SK
PF - Young/Trob/McC
C - Lopez/Bargs/Reed

damn that's 15 right there...

Questionable is SK but I doubt that would be a problem, he'll stay on and hopefully earns his place by the end of the season.

For me Brown is the player I would drop, in favor of Harper or Miller... or maybe Sloan? Jack never gets hurts, idk about Larkin though....

ahhhhh

This is something I find stupid, McCullough is hurt and perhaps better served not to play this season or at least 2nd half, he takes up a roster spot that can't be replaced. Unless there's a loophole somewhere with injuries. NBA needs to adopt a IR philosophy that allows injured players NOT to count against the 15 man roster.





nba has a hardship policy if 4 players are injured

The team's roster has to be trimmed down to 15 when they hit the floor opening night, but a rarely used mechanism in the Collective Bargaining Agreement could eventually open up a 16th roster spot.
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With one preseason contest left to go and a handful of prospects battling it out for essentially a green light on their respective NBA careers, the clock is ticking on final roster lists around the league. Each NBA team must cut its final roster down to 15 bodies by the time its season kicks off, and the Sixers have a couple of close calls that are tough to identify even for those who keep their ears close to the ground. But a sparingly used maneuver could ease the decision-making process for the front office over the course of the next week.

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Re: pre season game thread 

Post#189 » by Prokorov » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:53 pm

we already have a logjam of 1 way specialty types, we need to trim the roster not add more guys to muck up the roster.

maybe if he was a PF i could see it, but otherwise he is just so bad everywhere else he isnt worth adding. i dont see how he could possibly beat out ellington
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Re: pre season game thread 

Post#190 » by jbeachboy » Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:32 pm

sloan looks to be the last spot the way the point guard and shooting guard situation has been so far.

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